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[Spitfiremk87]

maki0129 wrote...

Rykoth wrote...

Do you know why people who like the endings are calling you whiners, besides the fact that we have trolls on our side as much as you have trolls on yours?

Because seriously people, you're over reacting. You are whining. You are raging. You are expressing so much bile and hatred and horrible wishes towards people you've never met. You're claiming entitlement to a change in a game that you didn't spend hours building and writing for and creating.

You didn't do that stuff, Bioware did. And out of what Bioware made... 5 minutes. 5 MINUTES of it is not up to people on this forums' taste, so they decide to crucify Bioware, insult them, rage against them, and then wonder why people like me call them whiners.

I understand your side. It's not /the best/ ending. But look at our side. Endings are hard to do. Endings are a challenge, and ultimately, it's a rare series that lands its ending on the landing pad with all parts intact. And more then that....

... five minutes of discontent does not mean Bioware went out of their way to hurt, harm, betray, punch, slap, kick, stab, burn, beat, or bash you.

The people who claim Bioware ruined the series intentionally are as foolish as people who claim Americans committed 9/11 on ourselves.

Here's a real fact for you.

Yes, there's a great story, and great characters.
At the end of the day?

It. Is. Just. A. Game.

If the only thing you have in life is the BSN network, go get some help. If you really have things better to do then please. Go to college. Go to work. Embrace your woman or your man, hug your kids. Do whatever people do. Do something for the world, instead of hurling insults towards a company you know none of personally.

To be fair, while it is true that there is a lot of idiotic entitlement going on, not everyone who dislikes the endings is on the same boat.

I hated the endings as much as the next guy, but I find the calls for Walter's head, and the scathological remarks about what they'd do with it to be infantile and in poor taste. Even calling to have him firing for making such a bad a call is a bit too much. I also was disgusted, as someone whose close family has been the victim of rape, with the guy who compared himself to a rape victim, and the flight/pilot metaphor was completely farfetched.

Two things, though.

1- I still feel like I'm entitled to express my feelings about these endings, they were terrible. They were lacking in narrative quality and production values, broke completely from the narrative of the game, made no sense whatsoever, and didn't depend one bit on the choices you made past the 4000 ESM mark. They're a terrible way to wrap up a great series.

2- I don't think requesting DLC that changes the ending and hoping it'll be free is wrong, specially when to drive home the sincerity of that request, you donate thousands of dollars to a children's charity.

Demanding it though, yeah. I agree, that's childish, but not everyone is demanding it.

People do need to take it down a notch here, but just because some people are whining, it doesn't mean that all of us who disliked the endings and are requesting new content that fixes it are whiners.

Agreed. I hate the endings just as much as the next guy, but we need to go about this the right way, respectfully.

[Peranor]

Phattee Buttz wrote...

Casey on after Mass Effect 3
"Whatever we do would likely happen before or during the events of Mass Effect 3, not after"

Knowing that anything you do inevitably leads to such an ugly, unsatisfying ending riddled with plot holes, does anyone really want to play future games that take place before or during ME3?

Not me at least. Im done with this now.

[Silmane]

SaladinDheonqar wrote...

I guess it's clear that a few misguided individuals thought ending the series like this was intellectual, artistic, and provocative. All they've achieved over the course of 3 games undone by the pretentiousness of a few people..... If you don't fix this, I am done with you Bioware & EA.

I really feel that Casey is just PR spinning since Japan just saw the release of ME yesterday and he can't say much more. 

It's hard to believe that the director of Knights of the Old Republic, ME1 and 2 let an ending like this happen. 

If Drew Karpyshyn was the back bone all this time, it's sad that he's gone from Bioware. It shows.

[Outro]

Achievement unlocked: Crusher of all hopes
Ruin your reputation in merely a week.

Seriously, what the hell.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

 Your vast options of choice at the end of Mass Effect 3:https://p.twimg.com/AoDn0tGCEAAVYTt.jpg:large

Modifié par Totally Not Swaggacide, 15 mars 2012 - 10:14 .

[GreenSoda]

Nighthunteer wrote...

GreenSoda wrote...

"Lots of speculation for everyone".

Yeah. Terrific. Speculate the root of this picture, BW:

It is a sad day indeed, but if this is what we must do to hold the line - It needs to be done!

I really feel like that woman in Stephen King's "Misery". But...I just can't help it.

[LoboFH]

Speechless....

[EsterCloat]

Sigh. Well, I give.

I haven't really been a part of the Hold the Line movement in any real capacity. While I greatly dislike how ME3 ends I haven't really rallied as others have to getting Bioware to change it, I've mostly just hung back and watched it while silently agreeing with what Retake is saying. But now I guess I don't really have much hope of this being resolved in any satisfactory way. I do expect Bioware to address these issues but it won't be in any significantly changing way. They're not going to create an entirely new ending because of backlash and they're not going to void this ending and say it was all a dream either. I just don't see it happening. Mostly I just see them nodding their head as we bring our complaint to them and them saying, "We're sorry you feel that way. We did our best and we hope you can give it another chance since we think it's a fine ending."

So here is my say to Bioware. I'm disappointed. This wasn't the way I wanted Mass Effect to end. I'm not asking Bioware to change the ending, I don't think they would anyway, I'm just making it known that I loved Mass Effect 1 and 2 and most of 3 but the final resolution to this series was just wrong to me and a large majority of the fans. I'm disappointed.

I hope your next game doesn't leave a sour note in my mind.

Modifié par EsterCloat, 15 mars 2012 - 10:15 .

[Trobon18]

Necroscope wrote...

http://i3.kym-cdn.co...268/261/dbf.php

Why 16, infinity awaits!

I'm waiting for someone to make a satyrical mod like this. A choose your color ending mod.

[RebelByDesign]

Almostfaceman wrote...

I can see why this would be like ripping a fresh scab off a wound, but it doesn't change anything in my opinion. When I completed the game, I thought it was safe to assume that's how Bioware wanted to end the game. So I came to the message board to let them know I was unhappy with their decision and to ask that they re-think this conclusion and provide something more in-line with what they promised before I bought the game. So here I am, still holding the line.

I'm with you, I know this thread has been massively disheartening, and that some may have got their hopes up with the indoctrination theory, but nothing has actually changed.

We all came out of this thinking that the current endings were it, and wanted to voice our opinions and let it be known that we were unsatisfied. Whatever BioWare's thoughts are on the topic, our stance remains the same: we want better endings.

[Koobarex]

durasteel wrote...

I am struck by the irony.

So often we see the assertion that the creative artists at BioWare should not be influenced by the greedy corporate EA overlords, but now... Now we're seeing assertions of hope that the profit-focus of EA will override any "artistic integrity" motivating BioWare to defend or retain its crappy ME3 ending.

Ah, hah hah hah hah hah.

This is what I hope for, yes.

[Aesieru]

jakecollette wrote...

After all of this, if you have friends who are still thinking about purchasing; I suggest you take a cue from 'good guy Greg.' Let Bioware be out of touch all they want, they can't be bothered to addres us anyways. 

memegenerator.net/instance/16355503 

I'd more than likely shoot him with my taser if he looked like that to me.

[angryjon]

kongenial wrote...

lmao what a metaphor for the entire ending... three colors leading the the same output

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

Bioware's reaction to our complaints:
https://p.twimg.com/...AMND2.jpg:large

[Doug M]

VvAndromedavV wrote...

Doug M wrote...

A lot of us are saying to ourselves, "It can't end like this. I refuse to let it end like this." and a lot of us are trying to find ways to keep the "world" from ending like this.

Isn't that what Shepard would say? Isn't that what Shepard would do? Maybe this is the highest level of "the player is Shepard" that Bioware could create; we're reacting the way that Shepard would react. We really are Shepard.

Would Shepard curl up into a little ball and cry herself to sleep? Because that's kind of what I feel like doing at this point.

And somehow that doesn't seem very Shepard.

She might feel like doing that, and she might actually do that when no one's looking.  But then she would get up, dust herself off, and get back in the fight.

[mrderp27]

Epique Phael767 wrote...

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

mrderp27 wrote...


1-blue, 1-green, 1-red, 1-KABOOMTHEWORLDBLOWSUPRANDOMLY

Where is your god now?

Now this is how the ending was supposed to be.

the built-in sharpener is the selling point

[Nuke1967]

I think it all comes down to they were nearing the deadline, so they cut corners (using stock photos) and slapped together a linear and a quick ending to get it completed on time.That would also explain them failing to find a obvious bug like custom face not being able to transfer. And neglecting to put in the same hair styles from the previous games to make previous faces work.Even though some of those features appear on NPC's in the game.Maybe it all comes down to not only time, but the budget they had.This whole debacle with ME3 a game that was so highly anticipated and could very much hurt their brand name for a long long time.

[Mastone]

First of all hated the ending, but don't put out a deathwarrant on casey hudson because of a bussines/creative choice.
You guys have to understand that making a ( triple A)game isn't what it used to be anymore, at least not when it comes to the creative freedom, why?
There is money involved...a **** load of money and when that is the case there are a lot more parties involved then just a developer and the consumer, and that is in this case the financial backer ( which ever form it has) these people only care about ROI ( read profits) and certain "safety"elements are probably ensured so that the franchise reaches maximum potential and a great target audience ( that's why I think they leaned more toward shooter and simplistic story so even the dimwitted could follow)

And basically you guys and me as well of course just have to face the music;
ME1 was briljant storywise, gameplay ( at the time) was good, ME2 had a rubbish story, no real repurcusions of your choices made in ME1.
And even though they promised it I don't believe ME3 was that much different, If you didn't save the Rachni queen in 1 you probably had a "different" rachni queen in ME3 with the Grunt mission.
We including me are all letting ourselves get carried away with the hype that is ME3 ( who says marketing doesn't work?) because when you break it down  to it's core mechanics it's still at the same level of complexity of KOTOR.
Hell it's even a ripp of of that and it's universe ( Biotics = the force. asari=twileks and so on)
In my humble opinion ME 1 set the standard  which made you care about the game , it's characters and "your" shepard, I think having to choose who died on Virmire and the Prothean subplot made the game series..
I also think in hindsight that ME2+3 didn't have that strong stories very weak ones even, no subplots just some corridor shooting to reach the next cutscene.

I think even thisreaction  is calculated and known to the developer but they know that you still want answers, so when the next DLC comes out in a couple of months and people accepted the weak ending and are actually start defending it ( watch the people vs George Lucas documentary it will enligthen you on this behavior), the DLC will just be some pointless mission but with  either a new character or a popular existing character, but it will be bought ...massively, before long the trailers of ME4 will roll out  which will feature an annoying kid, jar jar binks and a horrible....oh no wait that is starwars...

But serious guys just accept it I once spent a whole night buying a lady dinks talking to her in the end she wanted to go home, I hailed her a cab and made sure she got home, this is no different, it's a disappointment deal with it and get on with your lives... I know I will

Oh and please stop berating mr hudson and his teammembers they worked hard  on it and I can't imagine that they want to ruin the franchise on purpose you can spank mr priestley though ( only joking LOL )

[Mercsenary]

"Lots of Speculation for Everyone"

I guess they wanted to get what worked so well for Lost.


Except for Lost it always promised answers in the next episode, or season or so on. Never mind that they wrote themselves in to a corner( The "I always planned it out to be in Purgatory" riiiiiight.)

This... ME3 is the end of Shepard's story. That means closure not this bs lightshow with one ending with a characters swapped in or out.

Or are you lieing to us about that too Bioware?

[Skypezee]

maki0129 wrote...

Rykoth wrote...

Do you know why people who like the endings are calling you whiners, besides the fact that we have trolls on our side as much as you have trolls on yours?

Because seriously people, you're over reacting. You are whining. You are raging. You are expressing so much bile and hatred and horrible wishes towards people you've never met. You're claiming entitlement to a change in a game that you didn't spend hours building and writing for and creating.

You didn't do that stuff, Bioware did. And out of what Bioware made... 5 minutes. 5 MINUTES of it is not up to people on this forums' taste, so they decide to crucify Bioware, insult them, rage against them, and then wonder why people like me call them whiners.

I understand your side. It's not /the best/ ending. But look at our side. Endings are hard to do. Endings are a challenge, and ultimately, it's a rare series that lands its ending on the landing pad with all parts intact. And more then that....

... five minutes of discontent does not mean Bioware went out of their way to hurt, harm, betray, punch, slap, kick, stab, burn, beat, or bash you.

The people who claim Bioware ruined the series intentionally are as foolish as people who claim Americans committed 9/11 on ourselves.

Here's a real fact for you.

Yes, there's a great story, and great characters.
At the end of the day?

It. Is. Just. A. Game.

If the only thing you have in life is the BSN network, go get some help. If you really have things better to do then please. Go to college. Go to work. Embrace your woman or your man, hug your kids. Do whatever people do. Do something for the world, instead of hurling insults towards a company you know none of personally.

To be fair, while it is true that there is a lot of idiotic entitlement going on, not everyone who dislikes the endings is on the same boat.

I hated the endings as much as the next guy, but I find the calls for Walter's head, and the scathological remarks about what they'd do with it to be infantile and in poor taste. Even calling to have him firing for making such a bad a call is a bit too much. I also was disgusted, as someone whose close family has been the victim of rape, with the guy who compared himself to a rape victim, and the flight/pilot metaphor was completely farfetched.

Two things, though.

1- I still feel like I'm entitled to express my feelings about these endings, they were terrible. They were lacking in narrative quality and production values, broke completely from the narrative of the game, made no sense whatsoever, and didn't depend one bit on the choices you made past the 4000 ESM mark. They're a terrible way to wrap up a great series.

2- I don't think requesting DLC that changes the ending and hoping it'll be free is wrong, specially when to drive home the sincerity of that request, you donate thousands of dollars to a children's charity.

Demanding it though, yeah. I agree, that's childish, but not everyone is demanding it.

People do need to take it down a notch here, but just because some people are whining, it doesn't mean that all of us who disliked the endings and are requesting new content that fixes it are whiners.

Indeed.

Really, the people who are harassing the people at BioWare, the voice actors (yes some are even going after the voice actors), etc. really need to back off. There are civil ways to go about this and by being civil we will get more people to take us seriously.

I don't agree with changing the endings themselves but rather they should expand upon it. Give us more options along with a proper epilogue that talks about the consequences of our choices.

[izmirtheastarach]

Repliku wrote...

They also said they did not authorize it...

with support from BioWare 

Also, if they did not authorize it, then they would have already shut it down. 

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 15 mars 2012 - 10:15 .

[j78]

Creston918 wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

It confounds me how EA will even approve such a mediocre ending.

EA bought Bioware, knowing that before 2007 Bioware was well-loved by the gaming community. Why tarnish it?

This is like Disney tarnishing Pixar to an extent. What company soils their prize developers just for some extra cash?

You must be new to gaming.

EA has been doing this for nearly twenty years now. Look up the names Origin, Westwood, and Bullfrog amongst others. We can add Bioware to this list.

I would love to say EA was up to it’s usual money grab but with battlefield and the sims 3,da2 and bunch of others getting hammered by their fan’s .I cant imagine them courting more backlash this is bio ware flexing their artistic muscle and falling on their face’s .

[lynsk86eir]

kongenial wrote...

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

 Mass Effect 3 Ending:
https://p.twimg.com/...ATobU.jpg:large

That one never gets old. Space Enchantment 

i no gets me every time! and this was biowares idea classic!!!

[ZeroCrewX]

Rykoth wrote...

Camilladilla wrote...

Rykoth wrote...

Here's a real fact for you.

Yes, there's a great story, and great characters.
At the end of the day?

It. Is. Just. A. Game.

I feel so sorry for you and the bland life that you must lead. 

A bland life is one where you get most of your fulfillment from a video game.

Go die in a ditch Rykoth.