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[Veginator]

I cancelled my SWTOR subscription on monday.

They need to fix this. Give us some DLC....something. I don't even care if I have to pay for it.

They need to make this right.

[zarnk567]

Adugan wrote...

 Bioware developers: The ending is out of place and will enrage many fans if we go through with it.

*Possible Renegade interrupt: You're fired!*

Casey's options:
-We should try something new with the franchise to be artistic and make a point.
-We will see when the game comes out.
-SHUT UP! They will love anything we make because we are Bioware!

[PrinceOfFallout13]

so how did shepard survive the explosion?

explain bioware

[UKillMeLongTime]

Lolz moment

remember notl so long ago the rage about day 1 DLC and it's a PROTEAN and we have to PAY for it.blah

Amazing what a few days can do to make that seems like a drop of water in the ocean

[cerberus1701]

hex23 wrote...

Repliku wrote...

So, Chris said BioWare had nothing to do with the App...

Q: How was BioWare involved in the creation of this story?
A: A story like The Final Hours is only possible with an incredible amount of support,coooperation and trust from the game development team. Casey and I first started talking about a Final Hours story around Mass Effect in the Spring of 2011 and I began work on it during the summer of last year. Even though he was in the thick of finishing the game, he was generous with his time, as were many other team members at BioWare. They sat down for interviews, photos, and answered countless questions over e-mail.

That's what I don't get either. It's a documentary featuring info directly from Bioware. We already know their stance on the end because it's in the documentary. Unless their "new" stance is to completely disown the ending....I dunno. That's about all that will fix this at this point.

It doesn't remotely matter who's responsible for the app.

The only thing that matters is whether or not the information in it is accurate and in context.

And it seems to be.

[Getorex]

Spitfiremk87 wrote...

maki0129 wrote...

Rykoth wrote...

Do you know why people who like the endings are calling you whiners, besides the fact that we have trolls on our side as much as you have trolls on yours?

Because seriously people, you're over reacting. You are whining. You are raging. You are expressing so much bile and hatred and horrible wishes towards people you've never met. You're claiming entitlement to a change in a game that you didn't spend hours building and writing for and creating.

You didn't do that stuff, Bioware did. And out of what Bioware made... 5 minutes. 5 MINUTES of it is not up to people on this forums' taste, so they decide to crucify Bioware, insult them, rage against them, and then wonder why people like me call them whiners.

I understand your side. It's not /the best/ ending. But look at our side. Endings are hard to do. Endings are a challenge, and ultimately, it's a rare series that lands its ending on the landing pad with all parts intact. And more then that....

... five minutes of discontent does not mean Bioware went out of their way to hurt, harm, betray, punch, slap, kick, stab, burn, beat, or bash you.

The people who claim Bioware ruined the series intentionally are as foolish as people who claim Americans committed 9/11 on ourselves.

Here's a real fact for you.

Yes, there's a great story, and great characters.
At the end of the day?

It. Is. Just. A. Game.

If the only thing you have in life is the BSN network, go get some help. If you really have things better to do then please. Go to college. Go to work. Embrace your woman or your man, hug your kids. Do whatever people do. Do something for the world, instead of hurling insults towards a company you know none of personally.

To be fair, while it is true that there is a lot of idiotic entitlement going on, not everyone who dislikes the endings is on the same boat.

I hated the endings as much as the next guy, but I find the calls for Walter's head, and the scathological remarks about what they'd do with it to be infantile and in poor taste. Even calling to have him firing for making such a bad a call is a bit too much. I also was disgusted, as someone whose close family has been the victim of rape, with the guy who compared himself to a rape victim, and the flight/pilot metaphor was completely farfetched.

Two things, though.

1- I still feel like I'm entitled to express my feelings about these endings, they were terrible. They were lacking in narrative quality and production values, broke completely from the narrative of the game, made no sense whatsoever, and didn't depend one bit on the choices you made past the 4000 ESM mark. They're a terrible way to wrap up a great series.

2- I don't think requesting DLC that changes the ending and hoping it'll be free is wrong, specially when to drive home the sincerity of that request, you donate thousands of dollars to a children's charity.

Demanding it though, yeah. I agree, that's childish, but not everyone is demanding it.

People do need to take it down a notch here, but just because some people are whining, it doesn't mean that all of us who disliked the endings and are requesting new content that fixes it are whiners.

Agreed. I hate the endings just as much as the next guy, but we need to go about this the right way, respectfully.

Respectfully? Really? You mean "respectfully" like they treated fans?  "Respectfully" like they treated the story itself with a bullcrap, quick, no thought, no logic ending?  You EARN respect, you don't DESERVE respect.  They did everything they could here to LOSE respect that they had actually previously earned.  Respect isn't a permanent condition you know.  

[vigna]

durasteel wrote...

I am struck by the irony.

So often we see the assertion that the creative artists at BioWare should not be influenced by the greedy corporate EA overlords, but now... Now we're seeing assertions of hope that the profit-focus of EA will override any "artistic integrity" motivating BioWare to defend or retain its crappy ME3 ending.

Ah, hah hah hah hah hah.

Ironic...

[Jsixgun]

vigna wrote...

Findog wrote...

I dont even care anymore. Even if they apologize and/or fix the ending... Its still not gonna change Bioware's attitude towards making games. They've just shown they dont care anymore. No dedication, passion, nor love for making a great games. They've become lazy and greedy now. And thats what I got to look foward too from now on with Bioware.

The whole app thing too. Ok so theyre offical statement on it is they didnt make it nor charge for it. Well its Bioware material and dont think for a second that Bioware didnt get anything out of it. Because I refuse to believe that Bioware just handed that over for free. Because if that was the case Bioware would have done so on their websites and not have given it to G4 for app copyright use. More than likely Bioware gave them that material for the upcoming G4 article theyre going to release. In hopes of getting a positive look instead of a negative one.

They got something out of it G4 basically sided with them in the debate and/or took a neutral stance.

The majority of gaming media has been siding with Bioware i've found; not all of them, but most of them. Perplexing isn't it? 

[Palidane]

Aurvant wrote...

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

mrderp27 wrote...


1-blue, 1-green, 1-red, 1-KABOOMTHEWORLDBLOWSUPRANDOMLY

Where is your god now?

Literally spit my drink across the screen from laughing so hard. 

I burst out laughing at that for five minutes. Lol.

[Epiph1]

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

so how did shepard survive the explosion?

explain bioware

Dude! SPACE MAGIC![tm]

[Asnine112]

Getorex wrote...

Spitfiremk87 wrote...

maki0129 wrote...

Rykoth wrote...

Do you know why people who like the endings are calling you whiners, besides the fact that we have trolls on our side as much as you have trolls on yours?

Because seriously people, you're over reacting. You are whining. You are raging. You are expressing so much bile and hatred and horrible wishes towards people you've never met. You're claiming entitlement to a change in a game that you didn't spend hours building and writing for and creating.

You didn't do that stuff, Bioware did. And out of what Bioware made... 5 minutes. 5 MINUTES of it is not up to people on this forums' taste, so they decide to crucify Bioware, insult them, rage against them, and then wonder why people like me call them whiners.

I understand your side. It's not /the best/ ending. But look at our side. Endings are hard to do. Endings are a challenge, and ultimately, it's a rare series that lands its ending on the landing pad with all parts intact. And more then that....

... five minutes of discontent does not mean Bioware went out of their way to hurt, harm, betray, punch, slap, kick, stab, burn, beat, or bash you.

The people who claim Bioware ruined the series intentionally are as foolish as people who claim Americans committed 9/11 on ourselves.

Here's a real fact for you.

Yes, there's a great story, and great characters.
At the end of the day?

It. Is. Just. A. Game.

If the only thing you have in life is the BSN network, go get some help. If you really have things better to do then please. Go to college. Go to work. Embrace your woman or your man, hug your kids. Do whatever people do. Do something for the world, instead of hurling insults towards a company you know none of personally.

To be fair, while it is true that there is a lot of idiotic entitlement going on, not everyone who dislikes the endings is on the same boat.

I hated the endings as much as the next guy, but I find the calls for Walter's head, and the scathological remarks about what they'd do with it to be infantile and in poor taste. Even calling to have him firing for making such a bad a call is a bit too much. I also was disgusted, as someone whose close family has been the victim of rape, with the guy who compared himself to a rape victim, and the flight/pilot metaphor was completely farfetched.

Two things, though.

1- I still feel like I'm entitled to express my feelings about these endings, they were terrible. They were lacking in narrative quality and production values, broke completely from the narrative of the game, made no sense whatsoever, and didn't depend one bit on the choices you made past the 4000 ESM mark. They're a terrible way to wrap up a great series.

2- I don't think requesting DLC that changes the ending and hoping it'll be free is wrong, specially when to drive home the sincerity of that request, you donate thousands of dollars to a children's charity.

Demanding it though, yeah. I agree, that's childish, but not everyone is demanding it.

People do need to take it down a notch here, but just because some people are whining, it doesn't mean that all of us who disliked the endings and are requesting new content that fixes it are whiners.

Agreed. I hate the endings just as much as the next guy, but we need to go about this the right way, respectfully.

Respectfully? Really? You mean "respectfully" like they treated fans?  "Respectfully" like they treated the story itself with a bullcrap, quick, no thought, no logic ending?  You EARN respect, you don't DESERVE respect.  They did everything they could here to LOSE respect that they had actually previously earned.  Respect isn't a permanent condition you know.  

Well, being rude won't get you anywhere either.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

Please watch this and send it to EVEYBODY!!!!!


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[ConradsLaces]

vigna wrote...

durasteel wrote...

I am struck by the irony.

So often we see the assertion that the creative artists at BioWare should not be influenced by the greedy corporate EA overlords, but now... Now we're seeing assertions of hope that the profit-focus of EA will override any "artistic integrity" motivating BioWare to defend or retain its crappy ME3 ending.

Ah, hah hah hah hah hah.

Ironic...

Everything comes full circle...
wow...

[twystedspyder]

zarnk567 wrote...

ergonomalous wrote...

Its sad that i can get more and better ending choices in chrono trigger then me3.

I love chrono trigger. :happy:

 
I think everyone did.  It was an amazing game.

Funny.  With all this.... sadness I was thinking about another 16 bit era rpg.  Lunar II.  When I first played it on the Sega CD(yes I really did own one and I really did love it) and it ended with the serious downer where the main character's love interest has to return to the blue star(earth) to continue functioning as its regeneration battery or something.  Credits roll.  Sad gamers.  Title screen.  Then, what?!  What's that I see?  Epilogue!?  Oh hell yes!  Road trip accross the world to get the band back together and find a way to transport from Lunar to the Blue Star and break the hottie out of her crystal prison!  classic, emotional and mind blowing at the time.  Still kind of is actually.

Of course I am much older now and must have all my beloved entertainment choices depress me at the end.  Otherwise I am stupid and don't understand art.

[Spitfiremk87]

This news may be slightly disheartening, but at the end of the day, Bioware made a mistake. Yes, MADE(past tense). I think with the outcry that we've seen so far, they have realized the mistake, and no matter the reason for their silence, they will eventually have to give us an answer. We just need to keep our resolve and hold the line.

Nothing positive will become of berating employees or wishing ill will on people. That will only bring more bad press. The Childs Play donation has been the most positive thing to come out of this. I suggest we take our anger and put it towards a goal of goodwill.

We still need to hold Bioware accountable for a game that we bought and didn't feel met our expectations. We have that right as consumers. We also have the right to tell Bioware how we feel and that something needs to change, or they will lose our vote in the marketplace. I know that personally my faith has been shaken in the company and unless this gets fixed, I won't be purchasing anymore games that they make.

This is how we hold them accountable.

Please remember that as much as we love it, and as sick as the ending has made us feel, it is just a game.

This does not mean that we need to let up our protest towards the ending in the least bit. We need to keep this going strong, just in case Bioware's silence is an attempt to wait out the storm. We need to ensure that that does not happen.

Hold the line everyone. And donate to the charity if you have not done so.

[Esquin]

Bantz wrote...

my only hope i have left is that supposedly these documents and interviews were from awhile ago and that with our new outrage Bioware will rethink their approach. Unlikely i know but it's the only shred of hope we have left

YOu're talking about a group of people who thought that giving us a game with no ending and having no intention of ever creating an ending was a good development move. I wouldn't get too hopefuly there.

This is horrible. How on earth did anyone in that team think that that ending. This ending  was good enough? It's sickening to think just how badly they ruined the series. 

[Harorrd]

[Handren]

"Didn`t want it to be video gamey"

"Making a video game"

That's not pretentious. Don`t know what you're talking about at all.

[UKillMeLongTime]

GOTY until the last 10 minutes then it's JOTY

joke=J

[GuyWithFace]

jakecollette wrote...

The majority of gaming media has been siding with Bioware i've found; not all of them, but most of them. Perplexing isn't it? 

Most gaming media sides with Bioware, and then the media that doesn't depend on EA's financial support to stay afloat take our side. Perplexing, isn't it?

PS: No, I'm not implying that you agree with the gaming media. I have no idea if you do or don't.

[darkshadow136]

 I missed the pics and the beginning of this.I do think we should just take this at face value. Like some have said the writing of the comments from this app were poorly written, and as far as Chris pulling the pics and trying to get things civil, it was the right thing to do. He stated that Bioware did not create it, and removing the pics for Copyright purposes did not  mean that Bioware had Copyrights it could have been removed because of the person Chris mentioned who created had Copyrights on it.

We should just stay calm, Hold The Line, and be respectful to both Bioware and ourselves in debate, feedback, and discussion with the Staff to try to work all this out and come the outcome we all want, a proper ending for ME3 that reflects the bulf of work that the Saga represents.

[zarnk567]

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

so how did shepard survive the explosion?

explain bioware

Pshhh that's easy....... he fell through a plot hole and landed safely on earth.

[squee365]

zarnk567 wrote...

Adugan wrote...

 Bioware developers: The ending is out of place and will enrage many fans if we go through with it.

*Possible Renegade interrupt: You're fired!*

Casey's options:
-We should try something new with the franchise to be artistic and make a point.
-We will see when the game comes out.
-SHUT UP! They will love anything we make because we are Bioware!

Modifié par squee365, 15 mars 2012 - 10:25 .

[Avenger09]

Here's a very well made video explaining the Indoctrination theory

[OBL-G9]

Spitfiremk87 wrote...

This news may be slightly disheartening, but at the end of the day, Bioware made a mistake. Yes, MADE(past tense). I think with the outcry that we've seen so far, they have realized the mistake, and no matter the reason for their silence, they will eventually have to give us an answer. We just need to keep our resolve and hold the line.

Nothing positive will become of berating employees or wishing ill will on people. That will only bring more bad press. The Childs Play donation has been the most positive thing to come out of this. I suggest we take our anger and put it towards a goal of goodwill.

We still need to hold Bioware accountable for a game that we bought and didn't feel met our expectations. We have that right as consumers. We also have the right to tell Bioware how we feel and that something needs to change, or they will lose our vote in the marketplace. I know that personally my faith has been shaken in the company and unless this gets fixed, I won't be purchasing anymore games that they make.

This is how we hold them accountable.

Please remember that as much as we love it, and as sick as the ending has made us feel, it is just a game.

This does not mean that we need to let up our protest towards the ending in the least bit. We need to keep this going strong, just in case Bioware's silence is an attempt to wait out the storm. We need to ensure that that does not happen.

Hold the line everyone. And donate to the charity if you have not done so.

I agree 100%