Plot holes often require tons of speculation. They might as well have shown Joker running with EDI out of Apollo Cafe while the crucible fires. Then show the Citadel blow up. Then show Joker and EDI playing golf in a jungle.JamieCOTC wrote...
I'm certain BW will defend this direction stating that they were successful in getting people to speculate.
Superd, I guess it's true with age(and a bunch of hits) comes wisdomvigna wrote...
atghunter wrote...
Tallrickruush:
At least at this point, I'm pretty sure we're past the first standard corporate counter-moves. Fewer and fewer "attack" articles are appearing against the unhappy fan base and more are at least acknowledging there may be some validity to the complaints (a standard paradigm shift to the center by the media to try and come out on the winning side)
EA knows they have a problem and it's not going away. Now it just comes down to the economic fallout and cost assessment. I'll admit, this is an incredible thing to watch as someone who studied corporate response tactics years ago. The social media power aspect of a situation like this is perhaps unwieldy, fickle, and as unpredictable as a Reaper on Red Bull! But impressive nonetheless!
What I find most fascinating is that groups like Take Back Mass Effect are so quickly organized (before the internet these campaigned had to be created by letter-writing, phones and slow media attention sometimes taking months) that tried-and-true corporate counter-measures are simply outmaneuvered. As an old gamer, I'm in awe of the rapid deployment of market forces the internet in conjunction with 24 hour news cycle allows.
A good recent case study on this and how the tactics play out is Mr. Limbaugh's recent gaffe here in the U.S. After loosing roughly 100 sponsors, he's now on “vacation”.
And you can bet they shut down the boards temporarily because someone just turned this chess game onto the floor. Release a statement deflecting the source and not the content and go back into damage control mode.
Hold The Line
You should have your own thread
GuyWithFace wrote...
jakecollette wrote...
The majority of gaming media has been siding with Bioware i've found; not all of them, but most of them. Perplexing isn't it?
Most gaming media sides with Bioware, and then the media that doesn't depend on EA's financial support to stay afloat take our side. Perplexing, isn't it?
PS: No, I'm not implying that you agree with the gaming media. I have no idea if you do or don't.
Avenger09 wrote...
Here's a very well made video explaining the Indoctrination theory
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jakecollette wrote...
GuyWithFace wrote...
jakecollette wrote...
The majority of gaming media has been siding with Bioware i've found; not all of them, but most of them. Perplexing isn't it?
Most gaming media sides with Bioware, and then the media that doesn't depend on EA's financial support to stay afloat take our side. Perplexing, isn't it?
PS: No, I'm not implying that you agree with the gaming media. I have no idea if you do or don't.
I certainly don't agree with G4, IGN, Kotaku, or Penny Aracade (the one's I can think of who have been running stories about how the ending is fine).
Rykoth wrote...
Do you know why people who like the endings are calling you whiners, besides the fact that we have trolls on our side as much as you have trolls on yours?
Because seriously people, you're over reacting. You are whining. You are raging. You are expressing so much bile and hatred and horrible wishes towards people you've never met. You're claiming entitlement to a change in a game that you didn't spend hours building and writing for and creating.
You didn't do that stuff, Bioware did. And out of what Bioware made... 5 minutes. 5 MINUTES of it is not up to people on this forums' taste, so they decide to crucify Bioware, insult them, rage against them, and then wonder why people like me call them whiners.
I understand your side. It's not /the best/ ending. But look at our side. Endings are hard to do. Endings are a challenge, and ultimately, it's a rare series that lands its ending on the landing pad with all parts intact. And more then that....
... five minutes of discontent does not mean Bioware went out of their way to hurt, harm, betray, punch, slap, kick, stab, burn, beat, or bash you.
The people who claim Bioware ruined the series intentionally are as foolish as people who claim Americans committed 9/11 on ourselves.
Here's a real fact for you.
Yes, there's a great story, and great characters.
At the end of the day?
It. Is. Just. A. Game.
If the only thing you have in life is the BSN network, go get some help. If you really have things better to do then please. Go to college. Go to work. Embrace your woman or your man, hug your kids. Do whatever people do. Do something for the world, instead of hurling insults towards a company you know none of personally.
Handren wrote...
"Didn`t want it to be video gamey"
"Making a video game"
That's not pretentious. Don`t know what you're talking about at all.
Quietness wrote...
NEWSFLASH: EA IS NOT THEIR EVIL OVERLOAD, BIOWARE AND EA ARE ONE AND THE SAME
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UKillMeLongTime wrote...
GOTY until the last 10 minutes then it's JOTY
joke=J
atghunter wrote...
Posted this yesterday, I'll repost here. Hope it helps to see what's on the other side of the mirror atm.
I don't think Bioware is out of touch with their customers though I agree with an earlier poster that right now they are assessing their options. Nor do I think that everyone speaking up for them at the moment is a "yes man" or shill. That said:
I don't for a moment think there are any other endings, this was a hallucination, etc. Bioware/EA is letting these speculations go on for two reasons. First, they are letting people vent. Secondly, they are weighing options.
Years ago, I worked for a PR damage control team and everything right now is going by the book. First, re-affirm and ignore (also known as doubling down), then try and define the detractors in the mainstream with things like "this is all a big mistunderstand", etc. while remaining civil in the hopes the detractors go rabid. Meanwhile go dark and use countermeasures through third part sources to prop up your position and brand the outcry as driven by hacks, haters or a minority trying to wear out the detractors on these outlets or "shock troops" while protecting the corporate core. Next, offer something distracting (notice SWTOR is free this upcoming weekend) known as the "faux olive branch"/ask the angry people to explain their concerns (without agreeing to commit to a compromise), buy more add time (definitely going on right now), and hope it dies down. If the pressure is still on, determine the economic viability of 1) ignoring the outcry and banking on the fickle nature of consumers to get over it or 2) determining if we can make money off of fixing it.
If it is any consolation, the decision whether or not there is a fix DLC, etc, won't be made by the writers so illusions to things they wanted to convey don't matter much atm (to wit: the leads comments yesterday). I suspect he's been called in and politely told by the PR guys to not do that again. This is now a corporate problem, not an artistic struggle with fans. Somewhere in the EA bunker, attorneys, PR guys, writers and brass are sharing numbers b/c in the end this will come down to hard currency.
As one who despises the endings, I'm hoping the suits tell the visionaries that the customers are loud enough and numerous enough to swollow their pride and get them out of this storm. For those that love them, I readily accept your position and respectfully disagree.
UrdnotGrunty2 wrote...
Nighthunteer wrote...
Repliku wrote...
So, Chris said BioWare had nothing to do with the App...
Q: How was BioWare involved in the creation of this story?
A: A story like The Final Hours is only possible with an incredible amount of support,coooperation and trust from the game development team. Casey and I first started talking about a Final Hours story around Mass Effect in the Spring of 2011 and I began work on it during the summer of last year. Even though he was in the thick of finishing the game, he was generous with his time, as were many other team members at BioWare. They sat down for interviews, photos, and answered countless questions over e-mail.
Honestly, can you believe ANYTHING bioware says now?
Esquin wrote...
Ive pretty much lost all respect for Penny Arcade after this. The others. Well we all knew they were corrupt and based their reviews on how much money they got.
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