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[parared]

VvAndromedavV wrote...

Same.

The first time I saw the ending on Saturday I thought Shepard was being indoctrinated. There was evidence to support that idea (in my opinion).

Now with Final Hours it seems that is not the case at all, so I'm really depressed and just kind of numb inside.

I never, ever thought in a million years that the ending could be so "bad" that I'd never want to play the ME games again, but that's kind of how I feel right now---and the ME games are pretty much my favorite games of all time.

I mean I didn't need an ending filled with rainbows and sunshine but I wanted something that didn't come down to deus ex-machina and space magic.

And gaping plot-holes.

This.  Exactly this.  I've ... loved this game.  I was emotionally attached.  I'm not kidding.  I have a PhD.  I'm a 49 year old father of two, both of my kids loved this game too.  I pre-ordered 3 copies of the collector's edition.

And I just want to cry.

How .. how can the game be so sublimly good for the first 90% ( I was into Tali, played the game right and didn't lose anyone I wasn't forced to, got to sit on her homeworld talking about our future ), and then just ... fail.  The incongruity here is what keeps making me think there *must* be more.  Its like watching a world class tennis player lose to .. well me.

Can this really be it?

And let me tell you.  I have no pride here.  I'm not interested in 'teaching bioware a lesson', I don't care about paying for DLC.  If they said 'we screwed up, give us 6 months and we'll have something for you' ... I'd preorder 3 more copies.

This *isn't* a game.  This is interactive literature of great quality.  That seems to have been defaced.

[SeraphX10]

wryterra wrote...

SeraphX10 wrote...

The Kübler-Ross model and Mass Effect. The internet watched Bioware kill Mass Effect and is in grieving. It all makes sense now.

1. Denial: Theories about the ending being something more than it was.
2. Anger: Bioware hate spans across the galaxy, but mostly internet forums.
3. Bargaining: Offering money and charity in hopes that Bioware will resurrect your fallen love and change her fate.
4. Depression: Realizing that Bioware is a business and can't be bartered with on an individual level. Powerlessness.
5. Acceptance: Drowning yourself in the multiplayer and a strong scotch. Starting the next playthrough knowing what happens at the end. Walking away from Mass Effect franchise and BioWare, never to return.

Sadface.

Edited for accuracy. After all, the reason we buy BioWare games is the narrative and BioWare have just demonstrated that when they're up against it and the pressure's on to turn in a compelling conclusion to a narrative, they can't handle it. 

I like it!

[Houkkaaja]

atghunter wrote...
3) Computer Game Design 103: Painting a Multi-Colored Cartoon Elephant in the Middle of Your Rembrandt Can Upset Your Customers.

Thank you. This analogy describes the situation pretty much perfectly. Moreover, it's a great answer to anyone who thinks the game was "just fine" because the ending is "just 10 minutes!"

[VvAndromedavV]

TyDurden13 wrote...

Same.  The ME games WERE my favorite games of all time.  And I know endings are hard to do, especially with epic sagas.  I knew full well going into ME3 that I might not be blown away by the ending...and I didn't care really, because really it's the journey that's the important thing - I really believe that.  I even figured they were probably fudging a bit with the "16 different endings" claim, but I didn't care really...I thought they would be OK.

The one thing I never counted on was an ending so horrid that it retroactively ruined everything leading up to it - the entire series (and the truly bewildering thing is ME3 was AMAZING until the last 10 minutes....they were completely nailing it).  And yet, that's basically where I'm at.

I'm holding out some hope, mostly due to the "hold on to your saves, we have great things planned," type tweets (and I think indoctrination theory still fits), but yeah...pretty bummed at the moment.

They are still my favorite games, but at this point due to the ending (if it's to be taken at face-value) I feel like Mass Effect was a good friend who died, and I'm grieving.

Okay, so that's overly dramatic but the thing is that ME wasn't just a game, it was a whole sci-fi universe with wonderful lore and characters and what, it's just all undone?

I had started a second play-through but at this point I can't even play it anymore; hell, I can't even think about it anymore, the "death" is just too fresh. I'm so upset by it that I actually find myself lying awake at night, staring at the ceiling for a little while, re-living the horror that was the last 10 minutes of ME3.

I also still think the indoctrination theory still fits, but if that was not the writer's intention it's really demoralizing.

Modifié par VvAndromedavV, 15 mars 2012 - 10:50 .

[Zulmoka531]

sgn wrote...

In other words:

Mac Walters was planning "lots of speculation for everyone" while Michael Gamble was touting "You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things". Source: http://bit.ly/A9341w

THAT is our problem with the ending, BioWare!

[vigna]

AtlasMickey wrote...

It all seems fine to me. I really don't know what everyone's upset about.

The perfect ending is synthesis where shepard survives. You save everyone and there's peace. WTF is the matter with all of you?

So, tell us all about synthesis and what is does exactly? I mean individuals, self determination, free will, does any of that exist or is it a galactic hive-mind?  Do you even know? No you don't.....
You made an uninformed choice.....in my opinion...you are guessing what synthesis is...

Modifié par vigna, 15 mars 2012 - 10:53 .

[Nighthunteer]

SeraphX10 wrote...

wryterra wrote...

SeraphX10 wrote...

The Kübler-Ross model and Mass Effect. The internet watched Bioware kill Mass Effect and is in grieving. It all makes sense now.

1. Denial: Theories about the ending being something more than it was.
2. Anger: Bioware hate spans across the galaxy, but mostly internet forums.
3. Bargaining: Offering money and charity in hopes that Bioware will resurrect your fallen love and change her fate.
4. Depression: Realizing that Bioware is a business and can't be bartered with on an individual level. Powerlessness.
5. Acceptance: Drowning yourself in the multiplayer and a strong scotch. Starting the next playthrough knowing what happens at the end. Walking away from Mass Effect franchise and BioWare, never to return.

Sadface.

Edited for accuracy. After all, the reason we buy BioWare games is the narrative and BioWare have just demonstrated that when they're up against it and the pressure's on to turn in a compelling conclusion to a narrative, they can't handle it. 

I like it!

Sadly, this

[LordSlavius]

TheDarkShape wrote...

Yeah, that madman at the helm who directed Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, Mass Effect 3. What does *that guy* know?

Hi, fan entitlement. Nice to see you.

So fans aren't allowed to be unhappy then? Wow, that's a whole new low for corporation-worshipping. I'm sure EA will single you out for a pat on the head.

[rorako]

Mac Walters just lost all respect as a writer. Heck, any writer should know that if you have to pull a "deus ex machina" ending, you're a very un-creative writer.

If this is good story telling for Bioware now...well, I've lost confidence.

[Endersgone]

Goroxx wrote...

On a good note, the "Retake Mass Effect" charity just crossed $50,000.

Even if BioWare wouldn't let us be heroes we wanted to be in the game (because, you know, "speculation"), we can still do some real good.

What Would Shepard Do indeed.

http://retakemasseff...ct-childs-play/

Yup, at least the community came together and did something great for a worthwhile cause.

Going to continue holding that line...and hoping for some sort of response from Bio. 

[Timpossible21]

So that's it?
What we saw is the ending? And there will be no epilouge that shows us, what the heck happend to the galaxy after we saved it? Just "You're dead! Deal with it!"?
Wow...depressing...

I mean. Bioware, keep the ending if you need to.
But hell...tell us what happens to the rest of the crew and the galaxy. Soon. It's all so depressing.

Modifié par Timpossible21, 15 mars 2012 - 10:55 .

[LenabotSE]

It would appear that Final Hours was like kicking a hive that was already full of angry bees. Fan were already on edge. The knowledge that there was a real ending there at one point just tipped everyone over into the abyss of depression and rage. The only way that any of this can be fixed is with new endings. And for some, it's already too late.

All I can say is that I am very disappointed. It's failed art if "speculation" is less about asking questions that enhance the story, and more about desperately finding an escape route that will get us away from the actual endings.

It will be interesting to watch how the company reacts in the coming days/weeks. If only because the ending situation seems to be a huge problem that may effect the sale of any future non-ending DLC or bonus Mass Effect media. So help me, if that upcoming panel doesn't address the endings, and instead focuses on some sort of ME MMO or non-ending DLC....

Until the situation is resolved, I'm catching the first relay back to Skyrim.

Modifié par LenabotSE, 15 mars 2012 - 10:54 .

[DrowNoble]

Giskler wrote...

Hopes crushed. They actually thought this godchild thing was a good idea.

Yeah I wonder if this is the point where Bioware "jumps the shark" to coin the TV term.  TThe fact they debated this for so long really makes me wonder.  As soon as this was mentioned someone should of spoke up "no that's a terrible idea, it takes choice away from the fans, creates plot holes and is going to tick a lot of people off".  Instead they went ahead anyways.  Thi sis the "satisfying" ending that Casey talked so much about?

The fact that Bioware still hasn't commented on this except for "we are aware of fan's concerns" is also troubling.  Like they know they effed up, but don't want to admit they effed up.  Good grief, I'm used to that kind of arrogance from Blizzard, not Bioware.

Remember people:  HOLD THE LINE

[Fledgey]

parared wrote...

VvAndromedavV wrote...

Same.

The first time I saw the ending on Saturday I thought Shepard was being indoctrinated. There was evidence to support that idea (in my opinion).

Now with Final Hours it seems that is not the case at all, so I'm really depressed and just kind of numb inside.

I never, ever thought in a million years that the ending could be so "bad" that I'd never want to play the ME games again, but that's kind of how I feel right now---and the ME games are pretty much my favorite games of all time.

I mean I didn't need an ending filled with rainbows and sunshine but I wanted something that didn't come down to deus ex-machina and space magic.

And gaping plot-holes.

This.  Exactly this.  I've ... loved this game.  I was emotionally attached.  I'm not kidding.  I have a PhD.  I'm a 49 year old father of two, both of my kids loved this game too.  I pre-ordered 3 copies of the collector's edition.

And I just want to cry.

How .. how can the game be so sublimly good for the first 90% ( I was into Tali, played the game right and didn't lose anyone I wasn't forced to, got to sit on her homeworld talking about our future ), and then just ... fail.  The incongruity here is what keeps making me think there *must* be more.  Its like watching a world class tennis player lose to .. well me.

Can this really be it?

And let me tell you.  I have no pride here.  I'm not interested in 'teaching bioware a lesson', I don't care about paying for DLC.  If they said 'we screwed up, give us 6 months and we'll have something for you' ... I'd preorder 3 more copies.

This *isn't* a game.  This is interactive literature of great quality.  That seems to have been defaced.

This. Listen to this man. Taking up torches and pitchforks is what makes the media talk about communities like this with disdain. Saying that bioware are hacks and need to be fired by EA is idiotic and makes you look childish. Humans make mistakes.

[amyjeanmachine]

Nelsonic Device wrote...

Oh good grief that is a depressing read.

There's a time and place for "lots of speculation", and it absolutely isn't at the very end of a three-part trilogy.

This.
I was just starting to come to terms with the ending, and now I'm back to square one.
So upset.

Also, that bit about making fans "feel something"?
Yeah, Bioware? That "something" shouldn't be crushing disappointment.

[LordSlavius]

I mean, on a basic storytelling level, the "powerful being turns up right at the end to whisk away all the dangling threads and save the day" is one of the WORST things you can possibly do to a plot. F**k me that was taught to me in primary school.

[PaulSX]

In the final version (which is shown beside the deleted scenes video.) the body of your team mates are on the floor dead instead.

o_O Does this mean the ending sequences are actually illusions? if not, how those dead team mates are back to Normandy?

[die-yng]

The way I see it, the app proves that the ending was the intended ending, I really don't see how you can not see this at that point.
Somehow everybody working on the game's story missed how upset most fans / buyers would be.

When the s####t started to hit the fans, they tried to tramble everything under, by making dismissive comments about it.

Now they are beginning to see that it's really starting to hurt sales and probably not only on the game itself, but also with future DLC's, possible pre- and or se-quel and possible for all Bioware titles.

They are totally unprepared for this, They thought thir ending was so great and the critics in fear of EA told them it really was.

At the moment they are trying to sort out what to do, what would be worse? Expanding the endings to include all that was promised before,

Just ride it out and hope the sales aren't hurt to bad and try to win people back with future DLC's.

We have to give them a little time to think and calculate this through, while on the other hand make it clear, that only a satisfying conclusion will be acceptable and that otherwise sales will be affected for a long time coming.

I'm really troubled about this error on their part, I'm also angry about the seemingly careless way they treated the ending to this trilogy.

But I don't want to boycott bioware, I don't want to stop buying all their products.
I want them to fix this mistake, even if it takes half a year to create a good DLC with new really multiple endings and an explanation for what has happened before.

I don't want to boycott Bioware, but I'm going to do it, if they leave me hanging with this.

[LTKerr]

zarnk567 wrote...

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

so how did shepard survive the explosion?

explain bioware

Pshhh that's easy....... he fell through a plot hole and landed safely on earth.

Then Marauder Shields resurrected and helped him

[Knight Terror]

After reading all of this, the comments from Chris, the developer quotes in that app.....it's pretty much over guys. The ending we all got to Mass Effect 3 is the real ending and how BioWare chose to end the series.

No more "Hold The Line". No more charities. It's over guys.

[AtlasMickey]

vigna wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

It all seems fine to me. I really don't know what everyone's upset about.

The perfect ending is synthesis where shepard survives. You save everyone and there's peace. WTF is the matter with all of you?

So, tell us all about synthesis and what is does exactly? I mean individuals, self determination, free will, does any of that exist or is it a galactic hive-mind?  Do you even know? No you don't.....
You made an uninformed choice.....in my opinion...you are guessing what synthesis is...

Synthesis is the technological singularity in the style of a hard takeoff. The green energy is organic intelligence transcending organic chemistry and permeating itself across the cosmos. It's what many people poke fun of as "rapture for nerds."

Philosophical questions about whether free will exists, either here or in Mass Effect, are independent of the evolution of intelligent life beyond organic chemistry.

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...
 someone please tell me how joker got past the reapers, picked up ,my crew and LI (Ashley) when she and Garrus went with me to beam, without a shuttle, got to the mass relay and escaped to another system before the crucible fired? Why would Chris Griffin leave me? WE WERE BOYS!!!!

Who says there's no shuttle? Obviously they retreated when Harbringer left and Shepard was left for dead. Joker was able to get away because the SR2 is the fastest ship in the galaxy-- duh, it outran reapers the whole game. Without that fact the game wouldn't have been possible in the first place.

Modifié par AtlasMickey, 15 mars 2012 - 10:58 .

[ConradsLaces]

LTKerr wrote...

zarnk567 wrote...

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

so how did shepard survive the explosion?

explain bioware

Pshhh that's easy....... he fell through a plot hole and landed safely on earth.

Then Marauder Shields resurrected and helped him

QFT.
Nice work.

[SomeBug]

I can't believe its real.

Not because I want a better ending. Not because I support any other alternative theory.

But just because it's so ****ing stupid. I can't believe the people who wrote the rest of the game wrote THIS NONSENSE.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

So Bioware did this whole thing just to troll us and they are now laughing the whole time? Fine but they will not get any more of my money. they lied to me about ME3 and I will not forget that. I will be writing my congressman about the fact that video game companies are somehow not require to except returns. If you ask when they can just out and out lie about a game there should be a grace period during which they have to give full refunds for video games.

[Nineteen]

Well, I'm out. I'm still going to wait for Bioware's response, but at this point I'm ready to shelve all things Bioware (and possibly video game) related.

The line has wavered.