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[Pinnatus]

Who in their right mind gives more money to BioWare right now?

[Windariah]

The near complete lack of response from Bioware is what really has me upset right now. The constant hints at something big, followed by refusal to even give us an idea how long we have to wait to hear is poor customer service at best. The stuff in that app certainly broke the camels back because as passionate as everyone is about this game, and how much faith they placed in Bioware that they wouldnt do this to their fanbase, that app proved otherwise, without a doubt. It proved the conspiracy theories were a fraud, and it proved they lied to us about having "closure" within the ending.

I'm not sure if that or the fact they took all that hope the fans had and played us, making us think they had a bigger plan, has me more upset.

[The Real Bowser]

Can't tell if serious

PS: I told you this was a PR stunt.  Already, they are taking advantage of the situation.

Modifié par The Real Bowser, 15 mars 2012 - 11:03 .

[Deschi]

Timpossible21 wrote...

So that's it?
What we saw is the ending? And there will be no epilouge that shows us, what the heck happend to the galaxy after we saved it? Just "You're dead! Deal with it!"?
Wow...depressing...

I mean. Bioware, keep the ending if you need to.
But hell...tell us what happens to the rest of the crew and the galaxy. Soon. It's all so depressing.

... andf if you wanna leave that open, too show at least some more sequences of all those beloved characters which may indicate something.... btw great choice not to intigrate the typical video game end boss this time... but for a pschologigal duell the conversation with the illusive man was too short

[GodChildInTheMachine]

So it was exaclty what it seems like - a last minute copout to save them the pressure of actually having to make any decisions. They literally just threw it all together.

[ZedderZulu]

A trivial thought, but I'm guessing a lot of fan-artists/authors (like myself) will be disappearing into head cannons now; those who don't give up on the franchise completely that is. And I think there's enough bitterness around to see people just dismiss certain aspects of the game's ending, and not be considered extreme.

If that becomes the norm, then perhaps this is the great "speculation": Everyone speculates as to how *they'd* end their story(-ies) because Bioware can't/won't give us a satisfactory ending?

Sorry if I'm repeating someone else's post

[Jsixgun]

Nineteen wrote...

Well, I'm out. I'm still going to wait for Bioware's response, but at this point I'm ready to shelve all things Bioware (and possibly video game) related.

The line has wavered.

I'm taking the first mass relay out of the Bioware system and heading straight to CD Projekt, with the Witcher's release coming to xbox soon. Hopefully CD Projekt can continue to succeed and expand their own new trilogies so we narrative loving gamers can have some hope. Bioware is hopeless. 

[VvAndromedavV]

parared wrote...

VvAndromedavV wrote...

Same.

The first time I saw the ending on Saturday I thought Shepard was being indoctrinated. There was evidence to support that idea (in my opinion).

Now with Final Hours it seems that is not the case at all, so I'm really depressed and just kind of numb inside.

I never, ever thought in a million years that the ending could be so "bad" that I'd never want to play the ME games again, but that's kind of how I feel right now---and the ME games are pretty much my favorite games of all time.

I mean I didn't need an ending filled with rainbows and sunshine but I wanted something that didn't come down to deus ex-machina and space magic.

And gaping plot-holes.

This.  Exactly this.  I've ... loved this game.  I was emotionally attached.  I'm not kidding.  I have a PhD.  I'm a 49 year old father of two, both of my kids loved this game too.  I pre-ordered 3 copies of the collector's edition.

And I just want to cry.

How .. how can the game be so sublimly good for the first 90% ( I was into Tali, played the game right and didn't lose anyone I wasn't forced to, got to sit on her homeworld talking about our future ), and then just ... fail.  The incongruity here is what keeps making me think there *must* be more.  Its like watching a world class tennis player lose to .. well me.

Can this really be it?

And let me tell you.  I have no pride here.  I'm not interested in 'teaching bioware a lesson', I don't care about paying for DLC.  If they said 'we screwed up, give us 6 months and we'll have something for you' ... I'd preorder 3 more copies.

This *isn't* a game.  This is interactive literature of great quality.  That seems to have been defaced.

I also love this game and am very emotionally attached to the ME characters and universe. I mean a game has never made me cry before, and I cried when Mordin died, I cried when Legion died, I cried when Garrus (my love interest) had his final talk with Shepard on Earth.

I also just want to cry having seen the ending, but not in a good way like I cried when Mordin died, etc. I just want to cry because I'm so crushed that something I love so much could be taken away from me... And I heard people complaining about the ending before I finished it but I thought, "There's no way it can be so bad that it will ruin ME for me."

But then it did.

You put it better than I did: it is an interactive literature of great quality. Perfect way of explaining it.

...That has, indeed, been defaced.

Modifié par VvAndromedavV, 15 mars 2012 - 11:04 .

[Warlock Adam]

It's only been a few days. They're going to say SOMETHING, at least.

Don't back out now because you're upset with what you've been given. We're all upset, and we're still here. And if we leave, the chance to make this game truly spectacular is gone.

Hold the line. Please.

Modifié par Warlock Adam, 15 mars 2012 - 11:05 .

[Bantz]

die-yng wrote...

The way I see it, the app proves that the ending was the intended ending, I really don't see how you can not see this at that point.
Somehow everybody working on the game's story missed how upset most fans / buyers would be.

When the s####t started to hit the fans, they tried to tramble everything under, by making dismissive comments about it.

Now they are beginning to see that it's really starting to hurt sales and probably not only on the game itself, but also with future DLC's, possible pre- and or se-quel and possible for all Bioware titles.

They are totally unprepared for this, They thought thir ending was so great and the critics in fear of EA told them it really was.

At the moment they are trying to sort out what to do, what would be worse? Expanding the endings to include all that was promised before,

Just ride it out and hope the sales aren't hurt to bad and try to win people back with future DLC's.

We have to give them a little time to think and calculate this through, while on the other hand make it clear, that only a satisfying conclusion will be acceptable and that otherwise sales will be affected for a long time coming.

I'm really troubled about this error on their part, I'm also angry about the seemingly careless way they treated the ending to this trilogy.

But I don't want to boycott bioware, I don't want to stop buying all their products.
I want them to fix this mistake, even if it takes half a year to create a good DLC with new really multiple endings and an explanation for what has happened before.

I don't want to boycott Bioware, but I'm going to do it, if they leave me hanging with this.

bioware's handling of this reminds of vietnam. The US Army was completely unprepared for the rate of casualties we'd see. So while housewives should have been sent a pastor or officer instead they got a taxi driver. We should be hearing from someone that knows wtf is going on, instead we get some poor college kid on facebook having to deal with all the angry fans.

[DrowNoble]

Every theory we come up with only makes things worse. Whether he's dreaming, indoctrinated or whatever. Reading how Bioware originally thought to end it wasn't an improvement either.

Only rarely should a character be killed off independent of my actions. I understood Legion "dying", since it furthered the goal of geth anti-reaper unity and peace with the quarians. Mordin dying I wasn't surprised since it was hinted at in ME2 that he was regretting his decisions so I took his death as atonement.

Yet in the 1st incarnation of the ending to just "whack a mole" kill off your squad for no reason other that to kill them seems very cheap. At this point in the game I was well aware of the cost of the war and the sacrifices made. I didn't need Bioware beating me over the head saying "war is bad, you lose people SEE! We killed off the love of your life! We want you to know War is Bad!"

Remember people: HOLD THE LINE

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

die-yng wrote...

The way I see it, the app proves that the ending was the intended ending, I really don't see how you can not see this at that point.
Somehow everybody working on the game's story missed how upset most fans / buyers would be.

When the s####t started to hit the fans, they tried to tramble everything under, by making dismissive comments about it.

Now they are beginning to see that it's really starting to hurt sales and probably not only on the game itself, but also with future DLC's, possible pre- and or se-quel and possible for all Bioware titles.

They are totally unprepared for this, They thought thir ending was so great and the critics in fear of EA told them it really was.

At the moment they are trying to sort out what to do, what would be worse? Expanding the endings to include all that was promised before,

Just ride it out and hope the sales aren't hurt to bad and try to win people back with future DLC's.

We have to give them a little time to think and calculate this through, while on the other hand make it clear, that only a satisfying conclusion will be acceptable and that otherwise sales will be affected for a long time coming.

I'm really troubled about this error on their part, I'm also angry about the seemingly careless way they treated the ending to this trilogy.

But I don't want to boycott bioware, I don't want to stop buying all their products.
I want them to fix this mistake, even if it takes half a year to create a good DLC with new really multiple endings and an explanation for what has happened before.

I don't want to boycott Bioware, but I'm going to do it, if they leave me hanging with this.

Same here.  until this is fixed Bioware does not get my money.  They lied and the only reason I will come back to them is if they make it right.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

AtlasMickey wrote...

vigna wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

It all seems fine to me. I really don't know what everyone's upset about.

The perfect ending is synthesis where shepard survives. You save everyone and there's peace. WTF is the matter with all of you?

So, tell us all about synthesis and what is does exactly? I mean individuals, self determination, free will, does any of that exist or is it a galactic hive-mind?  Do you even know? No you don't.....
You made an uninformed choice.....in my opinion...you are guessing what synthesis is...

Synthesis is the technological singularity in the style of a hard takeoff. The green energy is organic intelligence transcending organic chemistry and permeating itself across the cosmos. It's what many people poke fun of as "rapture for nerds."

Philosophical questions about whether free will exists, either here or in Mass Effect, are independent of the evolution of intelligent life beyond organic chemistry.

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...
 someone please tell me how joker got past the reapers, picked up ,my crew and LI (Ashley) when she and Garrus went with me to beam, without a shuttle, got to the mass relay and escaped to another system before the crucible fired? Why would Chris Griffin leave me? WE WERE BOYS!!!!

Who says there's no shuttle? Obviously they retreated when Harbringer left and Shepard was left for dead. Joker was able to get away because the SR2 is the fastest ship in the galaxy-- duh, it outran reapers the whole game. Without that fact the game wouldn't have been possible in the first place.

Joker and the rest of crew would rather die than abandon Shepard.
the shuttle was destroyed when the normandy crash landed
HOW COULD HE OUTRUN HARBINGER??!!!!!!
If there was shuttle how could he fly it and get the crew? you see how fragile jokers legs are and how slow he walks so how could he do that while being fired at by reapers?!!!??!!?
And he was on his way out before the crucible fired
So the crew all the sudden decided "Screw Shepard, Deuces!!":ph34r:[spam removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 15 mars 2012 - 11:39 .

[Capeo]

Speculation is the very antithesis of closure.

[Silver]

[spam removed]
Personally, i've run my course, i've held the line for six ****ing years, and in the last few minutes they swept the rug away from under my feet.
I'm done waving BioWare's flag for being able to tell amazing stories and create extraordinary characters. Everything was made redundant by the ending we were given.

In short: I'm done holding the line, let them crash & burn, I couldn't care less anymore.

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 15 mars 2012 - 11:40 .

[Knight Terror]

Stop saying "Hold The Line" people.

It has been CONFIRMED that this is the ending that BioWare intended to make. No secret DLC. No "gee sorry guys, we'll make up some new endings for you LOL". This is it. It's over.

I absolutely despised the way this game series ended, but that's that. It's just a game.

At this point, I hope BioWare just comes in and tells everyone to deal with it and get off the forums.

[die-yng]

ZedderZulu wrote...

A trivial thought, but I'm guessing a lot of fan-artists/authors (like myself) will be disappearing into head cannons now; those who don't give up on the franchise completely that is. And I think there's enough bitterness around to see people just dismiss certain aspects of the game's ending, and not be considered extreme.

If that becomes the norm, then perhaps this is the great "speculation": Everyone speculates as to how *they'd* end their story(-ies) because Bioware can't/won't give us a satisfactory ending?

Sorry if I'm repeating someone else's post

At the moment I'm trying to come up with a way to fit the survival ending somehow into a mold to make future stories possible.

I usually wan to writ ein canon, but the ending as it is now makes it very hard, because there's really not much left to write about.

[CronoDragoon]

I don't see the downside in making additional endings. Not changing them, because demanding the current ones are changed is a contradiction to one of our wishes - that many choices be given. Some people like the current endings and they should get to continue enjoying them.

Releasing additional endings 1. Pleases the fans who want exactly that 2. Gives fans who like the current ending more replayability while knowing the ending they like is the "real" one, 3. Allows Bioware to support their original endings while listening to their customers and, in my opinion, selling A LOT of DLC.

It seems logical to me that the casual fan will not stick around for, say, an Omega DLC anyway. Thus, such DLC is directed towards the hardcore fan willing to pay money for an additional 4-5 hours of content. But for many fans on this board, including me, the only way I have the heart to help Aria take Omega is if I don't doom it to slow starvation and chaos in the end. Alternate endings DLC boosts the sales of other planned DLC.

I hope, at least, people can agree with my first point that the current endings should be kept in the game no matter what.

[SerWhat?]

Call me crazy but I am on hundred percent convinced that the indoctrination theory is correct. They did not take choices away from us either. We had the ultimate choice to fight or give in to the indocrination. There a still a couple of things I don't have an answer for(for myself no one else). I have faith though and so should you

[Jsixgun]

Knight Terror wrote...

Stop saying "Hold The Line" people.

It has been CONFIRMED that this is the ending that BioWare intended to make. No secret DLC. No "gee sorry guys, we'll make up some new endings for you LOL". This is it. It's over.

I absolutely despised the way this game series ended, but that's that. It's just a game.

At this point, I hope BioWare just comes in and tells everyone to deal with it and get off the forums.

That would require courage. I'll say this, obviously Bioware is no John Wayne. Put the two together. 

[bpzrn]

I still can't belive thsi ending was what they came up with, everything leading up to it was buildign for a final confruntation with something


And for god sake, at least giv eus 5 minutes of what happend to the others.

To me the frustrating part is the squad memebers I bring with me majicly are back on teh normandy when they should have died or been left in London, too many holes in the ending as is and too little difference between the "16" endings, really sad now that its starting to sink in that this is it

[ZeroCrewX]

AtlasMickey wrote...

vigna wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

It all seems fine to me. I really don't know what everyone's upset about.

The perfect ending is synthesis where shepard survives. You save everyone and there's peace. WTF is the matter with all of you?

So, tell us all about synthesis and what is does exactly? I mean individuals, self determination, free will, does any of that exist or is it a galactic hive-mind?  Do you even know? No you don't.....
You made an uninformed choice.....in my opinion...you are guessing what synthesis is...

Synthesis is the technological singularity in the style of a hard takeoff. The green energy is organic intelligence transcending organic chemistry and permeating itself across the cosmos. It's what many people poke fun of as "rapture for nerds."

Philosophical questions about whether free will exists, either here or in Mass Effect, are independent of the evolution of intelligent life beyond organic chemistry.

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...
 someone please tell me how joker got past the reapers, picked up ,my crew and LI (Ashley) when she and Garrus went with me to beam, without a shuttle, got to the mass relay and escaped to another system before the crucible fired? Why would Chris Griffin leave me? WE WERE BOYS!!!!

Who says there's no shuttle? Obviously they retreated when Harbringer left and Shepard was left for dead. Joker was able to get away because the SR2 is the fastest ship in the galaxy-- duh, it outran reapers the whole game. Without that fact the game wouldn't have been possible in the first place.

My reaction to your posts
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Modifié par ZeroCrewX, 15 mars 2012 - 11:07 .

[ConradsLaces]

Knight Terror wrote...
It has been CONFIRMED that this is the ending that BioWare intended to make. No secret DLC. No "gee sorry guys, we'll make up some new endings for you LOL". This is it. It's over.

Link to source please.