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[qdust]

Well that's it I guess. BW missed wide with this one. I suppose there's still a chance that they'll have the quad to fix it, but this was a big blow to my hope.

[Raint]

fav moment was when i picked up the game

[dakphillips]

Abisco wrote...

2484Stryker wrote...

I'm probably alone in this (or not), but it seems to me that most of the stuff they cut out...I actually LIKED...

Anderson's final dialogue with Shepard included...

They discuss the dialogue for anderson they cut as well. Everyone on their team liked it but Casey said it was "too long for the moment". 

I don't get why Casey would think that the end of the series needs to be over with quickly.  Many of us have played these characters for 80+ hours, no one will mind having the possibility of the conclusion taking some time.  That he scrapped the possibility for dialogue with StarChild just boggles the mind as the chances we've had with characters like Vigil and Soveriegn are among the best moments in the series.

That dialogue with Anderson was beautiful.  Add that to the laundry list of positive changes they could patch or make available as DLC.

[AgentMulder5]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 15 mars 2012 - 11:34 .

[XavierHollywood]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

There's something that upsets me more than the ending of a video game. Do you know what it is? It's watching a community tear itself apart. The BSN is a somewhat passionate (see: hostile) place during the best of times and this has pushed many to the point of truly leaving and never coming back. There are verbal insults being hurled at BioWare and other forum members. On the internet, it's easy to do that because we can't see the hurt on their faces. Everybody who works at BioWare are listening to us, this includes the insults and hateful comments that are flying fast and furious.

The dev team labored long hours for 2 years to create Mass Effect 3 and were very happy when it was done and they could get it into our hot little hands. Do you really think they were hoping so many would hate their work? They won't "fix" the ending because it isn't broken, it's what was agreed on, like it or not. What they might do, is create an alternate ending or tie up the loose ends better for those who wish to download it. If this level of juvenile behavior continues, though, they might just decide we aren't worth the effort. If someone was hateful to me then asked me to do something nice for them, I'd tell them to f*** off. Pleeease keep it civil.

^ this x9000.  Please keep this in mind people.  I respect the entire Bioware team and all the hard work they put in for so long.  You could see the wear and tear of it plainly on Hudson's face in some interviews.  Poor guy looked like he was barely getting any sleep.

I am thankful for all the effort Bioware made.   99% of the game you created was pure gaming ecstacy for me.  You completely outdid yourselves in every regard.  Its incrediably dissapointing for the final 1% of the game to mar an otherwise brilliant game/series, and I know the guys at Bioware went into it with the best of intentions and genuinely thought the majority of fans would love it.  Unfortunately that was not the case.

I do hope very much that something can and will be done to amend things though.  A man can dream!

[TJX2045]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 15 mars 2012 - 11:34 .

[CasbynessPC]

This thread be a runaway train, chug chug chug!

I personally didn't think there was much in the whole indoctrination theory, so honestly this hasn't changed anything for me. I did assume they simply didn't realise what the reaction to this ending would be...

[FirstSpear]

Staggering. Utterly staggering. Considering the quality of much of the rest of the series I can't say that Bioware is creatively bankrupt.

This stuff, however, is group think at its finest. No body wanted to come out and say it, but I'm willing to be dollars for doughnuts that there were many people in the studio who felt that the ending was terrible and the editorial choices made by Casey Hudson were poor and never spoke out about it.

[kongenial]

Lets be honest, we know what awaits us

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 15 mars 2012 - 11:35 .

[wright1978]

I have this impression of Bioware being aware that EA wanted a definitive railroaded ending. Then they panicked further when they realised how people would react to squaddies deaths. Then they found they didn't like the TIM segment and after that the indoctrination segment didn't work. Now they had their backs up against the wall. Time for Mac to scribble down some endings on a piece of paper under a five minute deadline. Deep breaths of relief from everyone as they claimed they'd created an artistic masterpiece. Unfortantely what they'd actually created was a dog turd of staggering proportions.

[recentio]

Esquin wrote...

Knight Terror wrote...

Stop saying "Hold The Line" people.

It has been CONFIRMED that this is the ending that BioWare intended to make. No secret DLC. No "gee sorry guys, we'll make up some new endings for you LOL". This is it. It's over.

I absolutely despised the way this game series ended, but that's that. It's just a game.

At this point, I hope BioWare just comes in and tells everyone to deal with it and get off the forums.

Then we fight harder.

If we give in now then we risk this kind of nonsense becoming acceptable. This isn't just about Mass Effect. This is a fight for integrity in story telling. We need to make sure that something like this never happens again. That is our duty. Even if we don't win here, even if we don't get the ending we deserve, we can stop other companies from pulling this kind of madness.

Kelaah Se'lai!

THIS. Now is the time to rally. Heck, there was no reason to fight at all when ending expansion was their plan. Now we know it wasn't and can consolidate our efforts to try to persuade them that it would be a good idea. Expanded Ending DLC -- not planned but a very good/profitable idea. No reason to give up on that until they specifically refuse.

[Tobey2011]

I think [link removed] pretty much sums it up.

Just laugh for a change

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 15 mars 2012 - 11:35 .

[Bantz]

dakphillips wrote...

Abisco wrote...

2484Stryker wrote...

I'm probably alone in this (or not), but it seems to me that most of the stuff they cut out...I actually LIKED...

Anderson's final dialogue with Shepard included...

They discuss the dialogue for anderson they cut as well. Everyone on their team liked it but Casey said it was "too long for the moment". 

I don't get why Casey would think that the end of the series needs to be over with quickly.  Many of us have played these characters for 80+ hours, no one will mind having the possibility of the conclusion taking some time.  That he scrapped the possibility for dialogue with StarChild just boggles the mind as the chances we've had with characters like Vigil and Soveriegn are among the best moments in the series.

That dialogue with Anderson was beautiful.  Add that to the laundry list of positive changes they could patch or make available as DLC.

Metal gear solid guns of the patriots. The ending is like fricking 30minutes of cutscenes and cgi and you know what, it's fricking awesome. It wraps up snakes character perfectly and ties up a bunch of loose ends. and that was a game that wasn't nearly as story based as ME

[Greed1914]

Baffling. They actually considered letting us question the star child in order to at least get some answers, and scrapped it. I guess I don't see a conversation as high level when one person does almost all the talking and the other just accepts everything that is said without question.

Like I keep saying, what keeps me hopeful is that the same people who gave us so much greatness couldn't have realized that people would react this way, or they wouldn't have done it. It's really sad to see that they actually thought it was a good idea.

[Adventuress]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 15 mars 2012 - 11:36 .

[Zulmoka531]

I can't get over though, the very fact that after the credits, the prompt comes up with the whole "Legend" and buy more DLC thing. The...arrogance? I guess is the proper word, behind ME3 is..astounding.

And it pains me to say that because of how much talent went into it. Hale, Meer, Sheen, Seth Green...I feel so empty the more I think about it all.

[Bantz]

i also don't get why they thought giving us better endings would be to much, or giving us details would be bad, but yet giving us Saren redux (TIM) was a great idea. What appears to be the entire thought process behind the ending was "how many ways can we f this up? ok good go with that".

[Valk72]

:innocent:

XavierHollywood wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

There's something that upsets me more than the ending of a video game. Do you know what it is? It's watching a community tear itself apart. The BSN is a somewhat passionate (see: hostile) place during the best of times and this has pushed many to the point of truly leaving and never coming back. There are verbal insults being hurled at BioWare and other forum members. On the internet, it's easy to do that because we can't see the hurt on their faces. Everybody who works at BioWare are listening to us, this includes the insults and hateful comments that are flying fast and furious.

The dev team labored long hours for 2 years to create Mass Effect 3 and were very happy when it was done and they could get it into our hot little hands. Do you really think they were hoping so many would hate their work? They won't "fix" the ending because it isn't broken, it's what was agreed on, like it or not. What they might do, is create an alternate ending or tie up the loose ends better for those who wish to download it. If this level of juvenile behavior continues, though, they might just decide we aren't worth the effort. If someone was hateful to me then asked me to do something nice for them, I'd tell them to f*** off. Pleeease keep it civil.

^ this x9000.  Please keep this in mind people.  I respect the entire Bioware team and all the hard work they put in for so long.  You could see the wear and tear of it plainly on Hudson's face in some interviews.  Poor guy looked like he was barely getting any sleep.

I am thankful for all the effort Bioware made.   99% of the game you created was pure gaming ecstacy for me.  You completely outdid yourselves in every regard.  Its incrediably dissapointing for the final 1% of the game to mar an otherwise brilliant game/series, and I know the guys at Bioware went into it with the best of intentions and genuinely thought the majority of fans would love it.  Unfortunately that was not the case.

I do hope very much that something can and will be done to amend things though.  A man can dream!

I'm sorry, but i can't just pass the fact that they lied all the way about the ending during the pre-release period. For that only they deserve to be in the situation they are today. I can't and i won't be thankfull toward BW.

[Khuutra]

greengoron89 wrote...

LOL. After reading the OP, I seriously hope they don't make any alternate/expanded ending DLC. Their creative ineptitude is so in-your-face in those interviews there's no way I'd trust them to "fix" anything without making it suck even harder.

Give it up - the ME3 development team are hacks. Don't encourage them to botch things up any further, and certainly don't pay them for it.

Absolute manure.

I didn't like the ending. For about twenty hours it was the most depressing ending in gaming history jsut because it was so disappointing. Five minutes really can change one's mood.

But hacks? Hacks? Why do you think this rankles so badly? Because the rest of ME3 is 35 solid hours of one of the greatest RPG experiences ever forged in the white-hot furnace of creative fire. People are pissed about the ending not because it's bad, but because the rest of the game is great, not good but legitimately great in a way so few games are, and the ending utterly failed to fulfill the promise that the game made.

So let them fix it. I'll buy whatever DLC they put out, because 99.7% of this game was staggering in its quality. If they fix the ending - because yes, it needs fixing like a willful child needs discipline - then I will be happy to revise that number up to 100%.

Calling them hacks is disengenuous, rude, and meaningless. You're here because they aren't hacks. We're all here because we've seen them produce greatness. We're all disappointed because we wanted more, just another few minutes, and didn't get it.

[Silver]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

There's something that upsets me more than the ending of a video game. Do you know what it is? It's watching a community tear itself apart. The BSN is a somewhat passionate (see: hostile) place during the best of times and this has pushed many to the point of truly leaving and never coming back. There are verbal insults being hurled at BioWare and other forum members. On the internet, it's easy to do that because we can't see the hurt on their faces. Everybody who works at BioWare are listening to us, this includes the insults and hateful comments that are flying fast and furious.

The dev team labored long hours for 2 years to create Mass Effect 3 and were very happy when it was done and they could get it into our hot little hands. Do you really think they were hoping so many would hate their work? They won't "fix" the ending because it isn't broken, it's what was agreed on, like it or not. What they might do, is create an alternate ending or tie up the loose ends better for those who wish to download it. If this level of juvenile behavior continues, though, they might just decide we aren't worth the effort. If someone was hateful to me then asked me to do something nice for them, I'd tell them to f*** off. Pleeease keep it civil.

Short answer to that: NO

They flung dirt into our faces with the ending(s) and now they have to accept that we are going to fling that dirt back at them.
Oh, and about the "effort" you mentioned ? We weren't even worth the effort of real endings in the first place.

Modifié par silverhammer08, 15 mars 2012 - 11:24 .

[ref]

What a joke.

[ZeroCrewX]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 15 mars 2012 - 11:36 .

[Moirai]

Knight Terror wrote...

Stop saying "Hold The Line" people.

It has been CONFIRMED that this is the ending that BioWare intended to make. No secret DLC. No "gee sorry guys, we'll make up some new endings for you LOL". This is it. It's over.

I absolutely despised the way this game series ended, but that's that. It's just a game.

At this point, I hope BioWare just comes in and tells everyone to deal with it and get off the forums.

If they had no current intention of doing anything about it, then there would be no reason not to tell people that.

The fact that they haven't tends to imply that they either had planned to release additional material, or that they are now considering doing so in light of the huge fanbase blowback on this issue.

Not saying anything if they have no intention of releasing further 'end' content simply makes no sense PR-wise, since there is nothing to gain and everything to lose from not making a statement. Stringing people along just for the hell of it would be the final nail in the coffin of dumb for Bioware.

[Dusty Boy T]

Now all we can hope is that Bioware sees the indoctrination theory as a good idea, and (hopefully) incorporates it into a DLC... Because from the looks of things, they weren't planning any wrap-up DLC.