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[Candidate 88766]

dakphillips wrote...

Abisco wrote...

2484Stryker wrote...

I'm probably alone in this (or not), but it seems to me that most of the stuff they cut out...I actually LIKED...

Anderson's final dialogue with Shepard included...

They discuss the dialogue for anderson they cut as well. Everyone on their team liked it but Casey said it was "too long for the moment". 

I don't get why Casey would think that the end of the series needs to be over with quickly.  Many of us have played these characters for 80+ hours, no one will mind having the possibility of the conclusion taking some time.  That he scrapped the possibility for dialogue with StarChild just boggles the mind as the chances we've had with characters like Vigil and Soveriegn are among the best moments in the series.

That dialogue with Anderson was beautiful.  Add that to the laundry list of positive changes they could patch or make available as DLC.

It was an amazing scene to watch on Youtube.

Had it been in the game, I think it could have almost made up for the stuff that followed with the Catalyst and the Normandy crash.

Put Anderson's speech back in, take out the Catalyst, take out the Normandy crash, and just have Shepard activate the Crucible form the platform Anderson dies on. It wouldn't be perfect, but it would be batter than the current endings and requires almost no change. Hell, if I was on PC it would probably be possible to mod this with current footage.

[motfcu]

Just one thing to say :

If everything (and by everything I mean voluntary crappy ending, the "LOT OF SPECULATIONS" thing, the voluntary "non answering" answers on tweeter and the whole "Gave us feedback !" thing) was planned ?

What would be the best ending for Mass Effect other than the ending that fans wrote ? And if Bioware just make this WHOLE mess just to get the most and the best ideas from us ?

Why do they wait for more people to finish the game for making an announcement ? ---> More Feedback.

They're maybe crazy but they're not fools. If they still make fans wait by answering just "We prepare something crazy but we can't tell you." or "Give us Feedback !" if they're just going to announce a simple "Bonus Mission" DLC. It would be a suicide...Even the DemandABetterEnding page on Facebook is strange : Very, very, VERY well organised for a fan made page and that's story with the child's donations, great idea I admit but who would have think of doing this ?

I might be wrong, but I still thinking that all of this is too big to be just Bioware staff saying to themselves "We're such geniuses ! Our ending for Mass Effect 3 is too great ! Let just ask feedback from the angry fans so we could laugh at their lack of understanding !"

If I'm wrong, Bioware will be dead for me.
If I'm right, it's pure genius and the best way to finish Shepard's story.

Modifié par motfcu, 15 mars 2012 - 11:33 .

[Conspicuous Cake]

Khuutra wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

LOL. After reading the OP, I seriously hope they don't make any alternate/expanded ending DLC. Their creative ineptitude is so in-your-face in those interviews there's no way I'd trust them to "fix" anything without making it suck even harder.

Give it up - the ME3 development team are hacks. Don't encourage them to botch things up any further, and certainly don't pay them for it.

Absolute manure.

I didn't like the ending. For about twenty hours it was the most depressing ending in gaming history jsut because it was so disappointing. Five minutes really can change one's mood.

But hacks? Hacks? Why do you think this rankles so badly? Because the rest of ME3 is 35 solid hours of one of the greatest RPG experiences ever forged in the white-hot furnace of creative fire. People are pissed about the ending not because it's bad, but because the rest of the game is great, not good but legitimately great in a way so few games are, and the ending utterly failed to fulfill the promise that the game made.

So let them fix it. I'll buy whatever DLC they put out, because 99.7% of this game was staggering in its quality. If they fix the ending - because yes, it needs fixing like a willful child needs discipline - then I will be happy to revise that number up to 100%.

Calling them hacks is disengenuous, rude, and meaningless. You're here because they aren't hacks. We're all here because we've seen them produce greatness. We're all disappointed because we wanted more, just another few minutes, and didn't get it.

That. ^

[CptFlwrs]

I'd like to remain hopeful but they're only talking of 'addressing some of our questions" which makes me think they're going to stick with this being the ending. It screams rush job to me though. They had to get it out in November and ran out of ideas, wanted to do something more time consuming with the ending but had to get it certified in time. I can't contemplate that they would be deluded enough to believe people would be happy with this outcome so am sticking with my rush job thoughts.

Bravo BioWare. Bravo.

[detroitmechworks]

Bioware's Intended Response: It'll be like 12 Monkeys, or Seven! A downer ending that everybody thinks is incredibly deep and gets the fans interested in our MMO!

Actual Response: ... This... is... not... acceptable... please fix. No, I don't want to hear the spin. FIX THE DAMN THING.

[AtlasMickey]

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ZeroCrewX wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

vigna wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

It all seems fine to me. I really don't know what everyone's upset about.

The perfect ending is synthesis where shepard survives. You save everyone and there's peace. WTF is the matter with all of you?

So, tell us all about synthesis and what is does exactly? I mean individuals, self determination, free will, does any of that exist or is it a galactic hive-mind?  Do you even know? No you don't.....
You made an uninformed choice.....in my opinion...you are guessing what synthesis is...

Synthesis is the technological singularity in the style of a hard takeoff. The green energy is organic intelligence transcending organic chemistry and permeating itself across the cosmos. It's what many people poke fun of as "rapture for nerds."

Philosophical questions about whether free will exists, either here or in Mass Effect, are independent of the evolution of intelligent life beyond organic chemistry.

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...
 someone please tell me how joker got past the reapers, picked up ,my crew and LI (Ashley) when she and Garrus went with me to beam, without a shuttle, got to the mass relay and escaped to another system before the crucible fired? Why would Chris Griffin leave me? WE WERE BOYS!!!!

Who says there's no shuttle? Obviously they retreated when Harbringer left and Shepard was left for dead. Joker was able to get away because the SR2 is the fastest ship in the galaxy-- duh, it outran reapers the whole game. Without that fact the game wouldn't have been possible in the first place.

Joker and the rest of crew would rather die than abandon Shepard.
the shuttle was destroyed when the normandy crash landed
HOW COULD HE OUTRUN HARBINGER??!!!!!!
If there was shuttle how could he fly it and get the crew? you see how fragile jokers legs are and how slow he walks so how could he do that while being fired at by reapers?!!!??!!?
And he was on his way out before the crucible fired
So the crew all the sudden decided "Screw Shepard, Deuces!!"

Aside from their thinking that Shepard is already dead, no, Joker and the rest of the crew manifestly do NOT want to be part of another suicide mission. One suicide mission is enough, and they all said as much when they said their good-byes.

There are many shuttles in the game! There is no reason to assume that joker would have had to fly a shuttle himself down to earth to rescue them. They could have simply retreated on one of the many shuttles and ships that were part of the assault.

I know it's hard to believe, everyone, but Shepard is the hero. There's something special about that character which no other character in the series has the heart and strength to match.

You must be the stupidest person I have ever laid my eyes on. And the most ignorant.

Yeah, that's persuasive. 

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

 the me3 ending reminds me of a certain thing with MANY ploth holes:
:

[ratzerman]

What an incomprehensible disaster.

[Mev186]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

 the me3 ending reminds me of a certain thing with MANY ploth holes:
:

Bioware isn't getting a Pizza Roll....

[Golferguy758]

Fans: Bioware! You were the chosen one! It was said that you would destroy the games that limited choice and stifled attachments to the characters, not join them. You were to bring closure to Shepard's story, not leave it in darkness!
Bioware: I hate you!
Fans: You were my brother, Bioware. I loved you

[webrakefornobody]

Conspicuous Cake wrote...

Khuutra wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

LOL. After reading the OP, I seriously hope they don't make any alternate/expanded ending DLC. Their creative ineptitude is so in-your-face in those interviews there's no way I'd trust them to "fix" anything without making it suck even harder.

Give it up - the ME3 development team are hacks. Don't encourage them to botch things up any further, and certainly don't pay them for it.

Absolute manure.

I didn't like the ending. For about twenty hours it was the most depressing ending in gaming history jsut because it was so disappointing. Five minutes really can change one's mood.

But hacks? Hacks? Why do you think this rankles so badly? Because the rest of ME3 is 35 solid hours of one of the greatest RPG experiences ever forged in the white-hot furnace of creative fire. People are pissed about the ending not because it's bad, but because the rest of the game is great, not good but legitimately great in a way so few games are, and the ending utterly failed to fulfill the promise that the game made.

So let them fix it. I'll buy whatever DLC they put out, because 99.7% of this game was staggering in its quality. If they fix the ending - because yes, it needs fixing like a willful child needs discipline - then I will be happy to revise that number up to 100%.

Calling them hacks is disengenuous, rude, and meaningless. You're here because they aren't hacks. We're all here because we've seen them produce greatness. We're all disappointed because we wanted more, just another few minutes, and didn't get it.

That. ^

agreed

[Candidate 88766]

Khuutra wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

LOL. After reading the OP, I seriously hope they don't make any alternate/expanded ending DLC. Their creative ineptitude is so in-your-face in those interviews there's no way I'd trust them to "fix" anything without making it suck even harder.

Give it up - the ME3 development team are hacks. Don't encourage them to botch things up any further, and certainly don't pay them for it.

Absolute manure.

I didn't like the ending. For about twenty hours it was the most depressing ending in gaming history jsut because it was so disappointing. Five minutes really can change one's mood.

But hacks? Hacks? Why do you think this rankles so badly? Because the rest of ME3 is 35 solid hours of one of the greatest RPG experiences ever forged in the white-hot furnace of creative fire. People are pissed about the ending not because it's bad, but because the rest of the game is great, not good but legitimately great in a way so few games are, and the ending utterly failed to fulfill the promise that the game made.

So let them fix it. I'll buy whatever DLC they put out, because 99.7% of this game was staggering in its quality. If they fix the ending - because yes, it needs fixing like a willful child needs discipline - then I will be happy to revise that number up to 100%.

Calling them hacks is disengenuous, rude, and meaningless. You're here because they aren't hacks. We're all here because we've seen them produce greatness. We're all disappointed because we wanted more, just another few minutes, and didn't get it.

I agree.

The final 5-10 minutes are a colossal letdown to say the least.

But given the incredible quality of the bulk of the 90 hours or so of story preceding the ending, calling them hacks is just insulting. They were never going to be able to make everything in ME3 perfect. Whilst I find it amazing just how badly the endings went wrong after Anderson's death, it was almost inevitable that not every part of ME3 would live up to their normal amazing standard. 

[Fledgey]

XavierHollywood wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

There's something that upsets me more than the ending of a video game. Do you know what it is? It's watching a community tear itself apart. The BSN is a somewhat passionate (see: hostile) place during the best of times and this has pushed many to the point of truly leaving and never coming back. There are verbal insults being hurled at BioWare and other forum members. On the internet, it's easy to do that because we can't see the hurt on their faces. Everybody who works at BioWare are listening to us, this includes the insults and hateful comments that are flying fast and furious.

The dev team labored long hours for 2 years to create Mass Effect 3 and were very happy when it was done and they could get it into our hot little hands. Do you really think they were hoping so many would hate their work? They won't "fix" the ending because it isn't broken, it's what was agreed on, like it or not. What they might do, is create an alternate ending or tie up the loose ends better for those who wish to download it. If this level of juvenile behavior continues, though, they might just decide we aren't worth the effort. If someone was hateful to me then asked me to do something nice for them, I'd tell them to f*** off. Pleeease keep it civil.

^ this x9000.  Please keep this in mind people.  I respect the entire Bioware team and all the hard work they put in for so long.  You could see the wear and tear of it plainly on Hudson's face in some interviews.  Poor guy looked like he was barely getting any sleep.

I am thankful for all the effort Bioware made.   99% of the game you created was pure gaming ecstacy for me.  You completely outdid yourselves in every regard.  Its incrediably dissapointing for the final 1% of the game to mar an otherwise brilliant game/series, and I know the guys at Bioware went into it with the best of intentions and genuinely thought the majority of fans would love it.  Unfortunately that was not the case.

I do hope very much that something can and will be done to amend things though.  A man can dream!

This.

[SolidisusSnake1]

Mev186 wrote...

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

 the me3 ending reminds me of a certain thing with MANY ploth holes:
:

Bioware isn't getting a Pizza Roll....

Actually it seems they will RedLetterMedia have stated on their twitter they will do something ME3 related.

[DarkSpider88]

@motfcu

Word of warning watch out they banning for language. The forum was shut for an hour earlier today.

[die-yng]

Since the majority of fans seems to agree that 95% of the game was good or even great and that only the endings sucked, it would be really strange to call all the writers hacks.

They made one giant mistake, which honestly I really can't understand, but that doesn't chnage the facts that the rest was a solid game.

It totally changes the replay value of course, but that's a whole different thing.

[Fledgey]

Khuutra wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

LOL. After reading the OP, I seriously hope they don't make any alternate/expanded ending DLC. Their creative ineptitude is so in-your-face in those interviews there's no way I'd trust them to "fix" anything without making it suck even harder.

Give it up - the ME3 development team are hacks. Don't encourage them to botch things up any further, and certainly don't pay them for it.

Absolute manure.

I didn't like the ending. For about twenty hours it was the most depressing ending in gaming history jsut because it was so disappointing. Five minutes really can change one's mood.

But hacks? Hacks? Why do you think this rankles so badly? Because the rest of ME3 is 35 solid hours of one of the greatest RPG experiences ever forged in the white-hot furnace of creative fire. People are pissed about the ending not because it's bad, but because the rest of the game is great, not good but legitimately great in a way so few games are, and the ending utterly failed to fulfill the promise that the game made.

So let them fix it. I'll buy whatever DLC they put out, because 99.7% of this game was staggering in its quality. If they fix the ending - because yes, it needs fixing like a willful child needs discipline - then I will be happy to revise that number up to 100%.

Calling them hacks is disengenuous, rude, and meaningless. You're here because they aren't hacks. We're all here because we've seen them produce greatness. We're all disappointed because we wanted more, just another few minutes, and didn't get it.

Also this. Lots of good voices in this thread, contrary to what the hostile angry mob implies.

[Jsixgun]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Fans: Bioware! You were the chosen one! It was said that you would destroy the games that limited choice and stifled attachments to the characters, not join them. You were to bring closure to Shepard's story, not leave it in darkness!
Bioware: I hate you!
Fans: You were my brother, Bioware. I loved you

Very applicable. 

[Elysis]

The Final Hours of Bioware indeed.

[dakphillips]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

dakphillips wrote...

Abisco wrote...

2484Stryker wrote...

I'm probably alone in this (or not), but it seems to me that most of the stuff they cut out...I actually LIKED...

Anderson's final dialogue with Shepard included...

They discuss the dialogue for anderson they cut as well. Everyone on their team liked it but Casey said it was "too long for the moment". 

I don't get why Casey would think that the end of the series needs to be over with quickly.  Many of us have played these characters for 80+ hours, no one will mind having the possibility of the conclusion taking some time.  That he scrapped the possibility for dialogue with StarChild just boggles the mind as the chances we've had with characters like Vigil and Soveriegn are among the best moments in the series.

That dialogue with Anderson was beautiful.  Add that to the laundry list of positive changes they could patch or make available as DLC.

It was an amazing scene to watch on Youtube.

Had it been in the game, I think it could have almost made up for the stuff that followed with the Catalyst and the Normandy crash.

Put Anderson's speech back in, take out the Catalyst, take out the Normandy crash, and just have Shepard activate the Crucible form the platform Anderson dies on. It wouldn't be perfect, but it would be batter than the current endings and requires almost no change. Hell, if I was on PC it would probably be possible to mod this with current footage.

Though I still wouldn't really like that, changing the endings in this way would at least patch up some of the gaping plotholes.  As bad as the Catalyst bit is, I just can't wrap my head around what they were thinking with that final Normandy scene.  Just impossible to logically justify even if you do think the Normandy descendents were featured talking about 'the Shepard'.

[AtlasMickey]

Fledgey wrote...

XavierHollywood wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

There's something that upsets me more than the ending of a video game. Do you know what it is? It's watching a community tear itself apart. The BSN is a somewhat passionate (see: hostile) place during the best of times and this has pushed many to the point of truly leaving and never coming back. There are verbal insults being hurled at BioWare and other forum members. On the internet, it's easy to do that because we can't see the hurt on their faces. Everybody who works at BioWare are listening to us, this includes the insults and hateful comments that are flying fast and furious.

The dev team labored long hours for 2 years to create Mass Effect 3 and were very happy when it was done and they could get it into our hot little hands. Do you really think they were hoping so many would hate their work? They won't "fix" the ending because it isn't broken, it's what was agreed on, like it or not. What they might do, is create an alternate ending or tie up the loose ends better for those who wish to download it. If this level of juvenile behavior continues, though, they might just decide we aren't worth the effort. If someone was hateful to me then asked me to do something nice for them, I'd tell them to f*** off. Pleeease keep it civil.

^ this x9000.  Please keep this in mind people.  I respect the entire Bioware team and all the hard work they put in for so long.  You could see the wear and tear of it plainly on Hudson's face in some interviews.  Poor guy looked like he was barely getting any sleep.

I am thankful for all the effort Bioware made.   99% of the game you created was pure gaming ecstacy for me.  You completely outdid yourselves in every regard.  Its incrediably dissapointing for the final 1% of the game to mar an otherwise brilliant game/series, and I know the guys at Bioware went into it with the best of intentions and genuinely thought the majority of fans would love it.  Unfortunately that was not the case.

I do hope very much that something can and will be done to amend things though.  A man can dream!

This.

Agreed. Except I liked the game 100%. Top to bottom.

[GBGriffin]

I know that BioWare employees have worked hard on this project, and I do feel awful for the "lower level" people in the project, but honestly, they won't earn an ounce of sympathy from me until they actually come out and either defend their position in light of all of this, or they admit they made a mistake.

Until then, their silence and ambiguity isn't helping to win over my support.

Modifié par GBGriffin, 15 mars 2012 - 11:33 .

[clonedoriginzero]

SolidisusSnake1 wrote...

Mev186 wrote...

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

 the me3 ending reminds me of a certain thing with MANY ploth holes:
:

Bioware isn't getting a Pizza Roll....

Actually it seems they will RedLetterMedia have stated on their twitter they will do something ME3 related.

oh god really? i love those guys, i check every week for half in the bag.

[Silver]

The damage has been done, there's never going to be any follow-up DLC, they presented us with an "artful ending" that we are just too stupid to comprehend.