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[Hollowhisp]

joshko wrote...

So now what? We get a fairy tale cliche ending that gives a superficial sense of choice to make people happy?
Or do we get an ending that the community has thought up all on its own?
I'm not sure I like ether option at all.

I understand the objections with both, however if you do take a look at the indoctrination theory and ignore the conclusions you can still see that the current ending has serveral lore and continuity issues which are not addressed or handled well.

[cadoodle]

This One does not understand how a video game replication corporation can so easily release the spherical object used in sporting entertainment. This One has simply accepted that the notion of future satisfaction is not a likely outcome.

[Bantz]

RebelByDesign wrote...

CimCake wrote...

I didn't feel uncomfortable, I didn't feel sad or happy or anything. And that is exactly why the ending is bad, it didn't make me feel anything like the rest of the game did, there were just so many plot holes and so much bad narrative that it became void of emotions.
Just bad, not sad.

Very well said. That was my exact response too.

the ending made me feel


... wtf?

and then later it turned to anger

[Revan312]

Khuutra wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

LOL. After reading the OP, I seriously hope they don't make any alternate/expanded ending DLC. Their creative ineptitude is so in-your-face in those interviews there's no way I'd trust them to "fix" anything without making it suck even harder.

Give it up - the ME3 development team are hacks. Don't encourage them to botch things up any further, and certainly don't pay them for it.

Absolute manure.

I didn't like the ending. For about twenty hours it was the most depressing ending in gaming history jsut because it was so disappointing. Five minutes really can change one's mood.

But hacks? Hacks? Why do you think this rankles so badly? Because the rest of ME3 is 35 solid hours of one of the greatest RPG experiences ever forged in the white-hot furnace of creative fire. People are pissed about the ending not because it's bad, but because the rest of the game is great, not good but legitimately great in a way so few games are, and the ending utterly failed to fulfill the promise that the game made.

So let them fix it. I'll buy whatever DLC they put out, because 99.7% of this game was staggering in its quality. If they fix the ending - because yes, it needs fixing like a willful child needs discipline - then I will be happy to revise that number up to 100%.

Calling them hacks is disengenuous, rude, and meaningless. You're here because they aren't hacks. We're all here because we've seen them produce greatness. We're all disappointed because we wanted more, just another few minutes, and didn't get it.

So it was one of the greatest RPG experiences ever forged huh? Did we play the same game?

It was good, but not great by any means..

Lot's of bugs
Stripped down dialogue choices
Corridor shooting mechanics
Cliche writing for the most part
Lackluster exploration
Story was completely and utterly on rails
Terrible PC support, including low res textures and abysmal control functionality
Day one DLC on the disk
Retcons

And don't think that I hated the game. It was fun the first go around, and the story (until the horrendous ending) was pretty engaging and most of all, the dialogue was great for one reason, it tied seemlessly to what you had done/decided in the past games. But one of the greatest games ever?  I mean really? Staggering in it's badly animated and badly textured quality aye.. How many games have you played? I wouldn't even call Mass Effect an RPG per say.

IF there was an ending that was up to snuff in any way, I'd still only smack an 8/10 on ME3, mostly for just the fanservice and upgraded combat.  As a standalone game though, it's really just 'meh' imo..

And I will agree with greengoron because of not one but TWO terrible endings to their games.. Remember this little gem?

http://desmond.image....jpg&res=medium

On topic.. doesn't surprise me that they thought the star child was a fitting end.. Yes men and yes fans surrounding you all day makes everyhting you decide seem like a good decision..

[scottish_sin]

Maj.Pain007 wrote...

So disgusted by BW

"Whatever we do would likely happen before or during the events of Mass Effect 3, not after"

So pretty much the universe will never be expanded upon.... Well I think I'm giving up on BW...

As I said before, this is what I don't get. They've spent all this time and money building up this universe only to destroy it with that ending. I mean, what is the Mass Effect universe without the mass relays which all get destroyed? It just doesn't make sense.

[SomeBug]

I'm done with Mass Effect now.

Instead of anger, disappointment or annoyance. I'm just left feeling pity. What a pity it ended this way, with a whimper.

Mass Effect will forever be remembered as a let down. For all that promise, for those five years of industry defining design and story. It came to this. The ending they wanted was the ending nobody else did.

Like I said. I'm done. It's been fun, the three games entertained me for hours. But this is the end.

[Darjeer]

I really can't wait for the situation where they would retcon the ending in DLC and actually have balls to ask people to pay for it. The backlash would be GLORIOUS! Also, no more money for BW from me.

Modifié par Darjeer, 16 mars 2012 - 12:00 .

[CasbynessPC]

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My take on this...

[Zulmoka531]

Darjeer wrote...

I really can't wait for the situation where they would retcon the ending in DLC and actually have balls to ask people to pay for it. The backlash would be GLORIOUS! Also, no more money for BW from me.

At this point? The only DLC that has a chance of selling well would be Multiplayer, and multiplayer as it is, is not going to hold people's attention long.

[merylisk]

I actually wouldn't mind paying for DLC that included a new mission that unlocked new ending options upon completion.

[Kandon Arc]

Wow, just wow. For Hudson to make all those pre-release statements about the ending in light of this... I'm sorry at the very least he was intentionally misleading us, at worst lying. Speculation and closure are opposites, you need to pick one.

And yeah the logic on Tali's face is just insane. Here's one of the most anticipated parts of the series and it's just "this looks like her, it'll do"?! Unbelievable.

[Sharrack]

scottish_sin wrote...

Maj.Pain007 wrote...

So disgusted by BW

"Whatever we do would likely happen before or during the events of Mass Effect 3, not after"

So pretty much the universe will never be expanded upon.... Well I think I'm giving up on BW...

As I said before, this is what I don't get. They've spent all this time and money building up this universe only to destroy it with that ending. I mean, what is the Mass Effect universe without the mass relays which all get destroyed? It just doesn't make sense.

And think about this: during any prequel they might get out, you would always have in the back of your head, that in the end nothing you do will really matter because of the ending of this game.

[Xenite]

Bioware screwed up, the only question that remains is, are they going to own up and do something about it? If not... it seriously damages this company in my eyes and will make me think twice about supporting them in the future.

I hate to say that because I love these guys, but damn do I feel hosed by them.

[BWGungan]

Where exactly are the corpses of my teammates?  Because I brought Liara on my run to the Conduit, and she's happily walking off the Normandy at the end.  Didn't see no Tali corpse either.

All the endings left me feeling completely empty inside, and betrayed for having zero closure regarding the rest of the crew and allies.

The ending completely ruins the entire series for me, and you should have seen that coming.  It's not cathartic, and It's not intelligently written.  Nothing about it is anything remotely like something Shepard would have done as a paragon, or a renegade.

"Plenty of speculation for everybody?"  That was your goal here?

Please.

What on earth could you possibly make you think forcing people to speculate about whether your ending is even real or not would be a good idea.  For 100 hours you wrote a narrative with a clear premise of choice and consequence, and in the final 20 minutes you throw it all away for what?  To seem edgy or artistic? 

You should have kept it simple.

Modifié par BWGungan, 16 mars 2012 - 12:15 .

[Zix13]

Revan312 wrote...

Khuutra wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

LOL. After reading the OP, I seriously hope they don't make any alternate/expanded ending DLC. Their creative ineptitude is so in-your-face in those interviews there's no way I'd trust them to "fix" anything without making it suck even harder.

Give it up - the ME3 development team are hacks. Don't encourage them to botch things up any further, and certainly don't pay them for it.

Absolute manure.

I didn't like the ending. For about twenty hours it was the most depressing ending in gaming history jsut because it was so disappointing. Five minutes really can change one's mood.

But hacks? Hacks? Why do you think this rankles so badly? Because the rest of ME3 is 35 solid hours of one of the greatest RPG experiences ever forged in the white-hot furnace of creative fire. People are pissed about the ending not because it's bad, but because the rest of the game is great, not good but legitimately great in a way so few games are, and the ending utterly failed to fulfill the promise that the game made.

So let them fix it. I'll buy whatever DLC they put out, because 99.7% of this game was staggering in its quality. If they fix the ending - because yes, it needs fixing like a willful child needs discipline - then I will be happy to revise that number up to 100%.

Calling them hacks is disengenuous, rude, and meaningless. You're here because they aren't hacks. We're all here because we've seen them produce greatness. We're all disappointed because we wanted more, just another few minutes, and didn't get it.

So it was one of the greatest RPG experiences ever forged huh? Did we play the same game?

It was good, but not great by any means..

Lot's of bugs
Stripped down dialogue choices
Corridor shooting mechanics
Cliche writing for the most part
Lackluster exploration
Story was completely and utterly on rails
Terrible PC support, including low res textures and abysmal control functionality
Day one DLC on the disk
Retcons

And don't think that I hated the game. It was fun the first go around, and the story (until the horrendous ending) was pretty engaging and most of all, the dialogue was great for one reason, it tied seemlessly to what you had done/decided in the past games. But one of the greatest games ever?  I mean really? Staggering in it's badly animated and badly textured quality aye.. How many games have you played? I wouldn't even call Mass Effect an RPG per say.

IF there was an ending that was up to snuff in any way, I'd still only smack an 8/10 on ME3, mostly for just the fanservice and upgraded combat.  As a standalone game though, it's really just 'meh' imo..

And I will agree with greengoron because of not one but TWO terrible endings to their games.. Remember this little gem?

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On topic.. doesn't surprise me that they thought the star child was a fitting end.. Yes men and yes fans surrounding you all day makes everyhting you decide seem like a good decision..

To be fair, though the ending of me2 was a bit cliche and predictable, and made one easy boss battle, it brought closure and sheperd got to be sheperd(either telling the illusive man to f off or keeping the base). ME3 ending was just............. miles worse. The normandy bit just dug up the trilogy, shot it, then buried it again. I have never seen a worse ending. Ever. Even lost was better. 

[jerobolod]

Flipzide wrote...

Besides the Mass Effect trilogy, the only other Bioware game I've purchased was KOTOR. Unless Bioware implements a DLC that addresses the issues that the community has with the endings, I won't be purchasing any future DLC for ME3 or pre-ordering any future Bioware game without waiting for reviews from the gaming community. Gaming journalism and Bioware has lost my trust. I'm still shocked at how great the game was except for the last 5-10 minutes.

This. So much this.

I used to have a few places I trusted for reviews of games. I've lost count of the number of gaming websites that told us outright that Mass Effect 3 was a satisfying end to the trilogy. And the flame war that they started against us is just ridiculous. 

From now on, I trust FORBES! 

[Reptilian Rob]

Elysis wrote...

Q: What did you think of the ending? Is this addressed in the story?
A: I've seen the uproar online about the ending and understand the fan perspective. Personally I respect the creative choices the team made and had no problems with how the story ended -- it made you feel something, even if that feeling was uncomfortable.

Uncomfortable? UNCOMFORTABLE?
This makes me so. mad.

Who cares if you send your fans into depression, RIGHT?
Think about your actions, Bioware.

Uncomfortable is not an apt word, at all. 

[Sharrack]

Zix13 wrote...

To be fair, though the ending of me2 was a bit cliche and predictable, and made one easy boss battle, it brought closure and sheperd got to be sheperd(either telling the illusive man to f off or keeping the base). ME3 ending was just............. miles worse. The normandy bit just dug up the trilogy, shot it, then buried it again. I have never seen a worse ending. Ever. Even lost was better. 

But with ME2 you knew that there will be a continuation of the story while ME3 should have been the Grande Finale.

[Reptilian Rob]

greengoron89 wrote...

Khuutra wrote...

I'm not particularly concerned with your exaggerations, I just wanted to let you know you're wrong, and your presence in this forum proves it even for yourself.

Duly noted. Now, if it's all the same to you, I'll go back to being provably "wrong." Good luck with your white knighting in the future.

I love you so much right now, almost as much as I loved all the Mass Effect games up until the last five minutes.

[conorrory]

joshko wrote...

So now what? We get a fairy tale cliche ending that gives a superficial sense of choice to make people happy?
Or do we get an ending that the community has thought up all on its own?
I'm not sure I like ether option at all.

Or they could make an ending that incorporates player choice and the bits they cut such as the investigation dialog and still have shepard die aswell as the vrew if they want.
+ delete the last bit with the grandpa telling the kid the story of "the shepard"
+patch out that dlc message at the end and just have it return to main menu like me1
+remove the normandy crash scene aswel as it is just logic breaking

Bioware hire full time writer's at their company, disatisfaction amonsgt the consumer base has been shown at the product as a direct result of their work, therefore It should be their job to patch the ending the same as its the engine teams responsibility to patch bugs post release.

I'm sure its allready been mentioned, but the witcher 2, a game released to critical aclaim like me3 but noted for some problem's have adressed such issues and continue to do so. Infact for the enhanced edition which is a free dlc they are adding to the ending of the game as many players felt it was too short and a little rushed.

Granted bioware don't have the same freedom cdproject has over their own buisness however it is interesting to see an apprent difference in buisness philosophy.

(will correct spelling and path out and re-write any logic errors and other errors post release of this post as I am too tired to finish it at the moment.)

[CasbynessPC]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Elysis wrote...

Q: What did you think of the ending? Is this addressed in the story?
A: I've seen the uproar online about the ending and understand the fan perspective. Personally I respect the creative choices the team made and had no problems with how the story ended -- it made you feel something, even if that feeling was uncomfortable.

Uncomfortable? UNCOMFORTABLE?
This makes me so. mad.

Who cares if you send your fans into depression, RIGHT?
Think about your actions, Bioware.

Uncomfortable is not an apt word, at all. 

THe death of my cat made me feel something too. I wouldn't pay £40 to relive that feeling though

[Reptilian Rob]

CasbynessPC wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Elysis wrote...

Q: What did you think of the ending? Is this addressed in the story?
A: I've seen the uproar online about the ending and understand the fan perspective. Personally I respect the creative choices the team made and had no problems with how the story ended -- it made you feel something, even if that feeling was uncomfortable.

Uncomfortable? UNCOMFORTABLE?
This makes me so. mad.

Who cares if you send your fans into depression, RIGHT?
Think about your actions, Bioware.

Uncomfortable is not an apt word, at all. 

THe death of my cat made me feel something too. I wouldn't pay £40 to relive that feeling though

Bioware is clueless at this point, they are just saying random **** and seeing if it sticks. 

[StowyMcStowstow]

Revan312 wrote...

Khuutra wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

LOL. After reading the OP, I seriously hope they don't make any alternate/expanded ending DLC. Their creative ineptitude is so in-your-face in those interviews there's no way I'd trust them to "fix" anything without making it suck even harder.

Give it up - the ME3 development team are hacks. Don't encourage them to botch things up any further, and certainly don't pay them for it.

Absolute manure.

I didn't like the ending. For about twenty hours it was the most depressing ending in gaming history jsut because it was so disappointing. Five minutes really can change one's mood.

But hacks? Hacks? Why do you think this rankles so badly? Because the rest of ME3 is 35 solid hours of one of the greatest RPG experiences ever forged in the white-hot furnace of creative fire. People are pissed about the ending not because it's bad, but because the rest of the game is great, not good but legitimately great in a way so few games are, and the ending utterly failed to fulfill the promise that the game made.

So let them fix it. I'll buy whatever DLC they put out, because 99.7% of this game was staggering in its quality. If they fix the ending - because yes, it needs fixing like a willful child needs discipline - then I will be happy to revise that number up to 100%.

Calling them hacks is disengenuous, rude, and meaningless. You're here because they aren't hacks. We're all here because we've seen them produce greatness. We're all disappointed because we wanted more, just another few minutes, and didn't get it.

So it was one of the greatest RPG experiences ever forged huh? Did we play the same game?

It was good, but not great by any means..

Lot's of bugs
Stripped down dialogue choices
Corridor shooting mechanics
Cliche writing for the most part
Lackluster exploration
Story was completely and utterly on rails
Terrible PC support, including low res textures and abysmal control functionality
Day one DLC on the disk
Retcons

And don't think that I hated the game. It was fun the first go around, and the story (until the horrendous ending) was pretty engaging and most of all, the dialogue was great for one reason, it tied seemlessly to what you had done/decided in the past games. But one of the greatest games ever?  I mean really? Staggering in it's badly animated and badly textured quality aye.. How many games have you played? I wouldn't even call Mass Effect an RPG per say.

IF there was an ending that was up to snuff in any way, I'd still only smack an 8/10 on ME3, mostly for just the fanservice and upgraded combat.  As a standalone game though, it's really just 'meh' imo..

And I will agree with greengoron because of not one but TWO terrible endings to their games.. Remember this little gem?

http://desmond.image....jpg&res=medium

On topic.. doesn't surprise me that they thought the star child was a fitting end.. Yes men and yes fans surrounding you all day makes everyhting you decide seem like a good decision..

I completely agree. I noticed bugs from the start, and even the opening scene felt rushed. not to meniton the fact that you get bogged down with so many side quests that the game loses all sense of urgency by the halfway point.

This game should have been much longer. 35 hours for an epic conclusion? No. It should have been closer to 50 hours.

[scottish_sin]

Sharrack wrote...

scottish_sin wrote...

Maj.Pain007 wrote...

So disgusted by BW

"Whatever we do would likely happen before or during the events of Mass Effect 3, not after"

So pretty much the universe will never be expanded upon.... Well I think I'm giving up on BW...

As I said before, this is what I don't get. They've spent all this time and money building up this universe only to destroy it with that ending. I mean, what is the Mass Effect universe without the mass relays which all get destroyed? It just doesn't make sense.

And think about this: during any prequel they might get out, you would always have in the back of your head, that in the end nothing you do will really matter because of the ending of this game.

Exactly. What interest would I have in past events in the universe if I ultimately know that it's all pretty much pointless because of how it all pans out.

It's not like I was hoping for the most happiest ending ever but for them to do this is just mind boggling.