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[Golferguy758]

Please Bioware...don't do this...

[npmcg]

Anyone else find this a wee bit funny?


Be sure to check the date. Turn your speakers way down.

Modifié par npmcg, 16 mars 2012 - 12:13 .

[bpzrn]

Penguins wrote...

It physically pains me to think they thought it was a good idea. I just have no words.

Also they might want to have put the kabosh on this exposé, considering the backlash.

I have to agree, this is giving me a sick fealing all over agin...... I don't get it.

[conorrory]

npmcg wrote...

Anyone else find this a wee bit funny?


Be sure to check the date. Turn your speakers way down.

oh god my ears are bleeding, but besides that.......... 6 jul 2011
starchild + ending scene oh dear....................

do they have random google days at bioware in place of brainstorming sessions?

[QuarianHIV]

"On Tali's Face
We eventually decided that she gives you a memento of her pictures, but the team was throwing around a lot of pictures and designs until we decided on something and said "Yup, that's her".

HAHAHAHA OMG. "designs"? "throwing around a lot"?

[Kmita]

Moirai wrote...

Knight Terror wrote...

Stop saying "Hold The Line" people.

It has been CONFIRMED that this is the ending that BioWare intended to make. No secret DLC. No "gee sorry guys, we'll make up some new endings for you LOL". This is it. It's over.

I absolutely despised the way this game series ended, but that's that. It's just a game.

At this point, I hope BioWare just comes in and tells everyone to deal with it and get off the forums.

If they had no current intention of doing anything about it, then there would be no reason not to tell people that.

The fact that they haven't tends to imply that they either had planned to release additional material, or that they are now considering doing so in light of the huge fanbase blowback on this issue.

Not saying anything if they have no intention of releasing further 'end' content simply makes no sense PR-wise, since there is nothing to gain and everything to lose from not making a statement. Stringing people along just for the hell of it would be the final nail in the coffin of dumb for Bioware.

You haven't noticed all the bad pr? Why would they come out and say "it is what it is people. If you don't like the ending, too bad. We already have your delicious money. We bath in your money, it makes our skin soft... mmmm".

Telling people that they won't do anything would just be bad timing. Saying nothing and just letting people cool off is obviously the way they're going with this. Which should lead anyone to think that they really are saying (by not saying anything) they won't fix it.

[npmcg]

conorrory wrote...

npmcg wrote...

Anyone else find this a wee bit funny?


Be sure to check the date. Turn your speakers way down.

oh god my ears are bleeding, but besides that.......... 6 jul 2011
starchild + ending scene oh dear....................

do they have random google days at bioware in place of brainstorming sessions?

Don't forget the colors.

[IdTheDemon]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

lol!!!!!

is anyone else laughing really hard at the part about talis face?!?!?!?

holy hell, i dont even care much for tali at all, but "we just saw it and were like YUP THAT IS IT" is god damn the funniest thing ive ever scene posted on this forum.

lol

It's sad considering all the cool sketches they showed in the art book that it ended up being a stock photo redone in photoshop.

It's a shame the endings and the smaller details like this have taken over the discussions for this game on most sites.

[Blackmind1]

So the game sucks because EA got greedy and initially wanted something to rival Skyrim during the November sales period, not a decent game with a decent end. Christ...

This depresses me the most. The fact that he falls under Reaper control in one of the initial designs (but it was taken out due to laziness) proves that he is being indoctrinated, but due to them rushing the game, we've ended up with shed loads of botched parts from a greater whole that we will never see. I'm awaiting a director's cut in November. They should have had at least another year on the development of this game...

I wasn't angry before. Cheesed off, but not angry. They ruined the whole thing because they couldn't be assed telling us what was going on, thinking forced lack of answers meant open ended possibilities! This is beyond acceptable. They aimed a deep and meaningful ending at the shooter crowd. Anderson's final speech was cut because they thought it was "too long for the moment". You guys crossed a line this time. You're clearly all terrible writers, and as much as people are saying it, I want to reiterate: The departure of Drew Karpyshyn ruined the game. Mac Walters is clearly a terrible writer. The worst part is that the entire team thought all of the cut things were good idea's, but every one of them was vetoed solely by Mac Walters and Casey Hudson.

I severely hope at least one of you loses your job after this. This is not from a fan, nor a consumers stand point. This is from the standpoint of a writer of fiction. You have completely butchered a series that was so full of potential and so damn well written, up until the last second. You won't forever be remembered as good writers for that ending, you'll forever be ridiculed. How people like you even work in the creative industry is beyond me.

This is just completely pathetic.

[Abram730]

The industry has growing up.

When you are in doubt on how to end a game..

Make 3 buttons!!!

[bpzrn]

"'We had the final fight with the Illusive man in the game, but it just felt very Video Gamey. It didnt fit in with the themes."

But some off the wall space ghost thing fits????

And not doing some type of closure with the crew / shep etc.... was MIA - why?

You gota be kidding. Why not stick with what works lik ethey di din ME1 and ME2?

[die-yng]

What really is getting to me by now is the attitude you encounter from some people here and at lots of sites in the web.

I'm asking myself, is it really such a great crime to want a satisfying ending or to have the chance to achieve a real positive ending.

I've paid a lot of money for all three games and the DLC's and I defninitely want something in return.
And that something is suppossed to be satisfying, otherwise, why play at all.

I can totally accept if people want a tragic ending, where Shepard and all squadmembers die, but I personally play every game with the goal of achieving the best possible outcome.

I play games, because I want to escape the grey and dreary stuff of everyday life, not because I want to see endings so depressing I just want to cry.

ME1 let you reach a perfect ending, ME2 let you reach a perfect ending and now with three, not only do I not get any chance at an ending that would be waht I want, no, I don't even get a sad but well written and thought through ending at all.

And when I complain about it, I'm whining and entitled?

If I order a rumb steak everytime I go to eat in a certain restaurant, and suddenly when I go at a very important occassion, I not only get pork instead of the ordered beef, but also reeking, rotten pork with worms and other vermin building their nest in it.

Of course I would complain and rightly so,

To me this is real similar.
I bought the game awaiting a certain experience, based not only on the two previous games in the series, but also because of all other Bioware games I played (maybe DA2 not so much).

The ending not only turned the experience sour, no it also took any drive away from me to continue with other playthroughs, because I can't get that ending out of my head.

So excuse me people, who liked the ending provided so far or who think I have to accept whatever lazy conclusion a game developer deems me worthy enough to experience.
Excuse me, but I respectfully disagree.

[TheOptimist]

I'm going to differ from a number of people here and say this actually gives me some hope for the folks at Bioware.  Yes, it appears they have made a grievous error, but errors can be corrected, and atleast they appear to have made that error honestly.  So they have a choice, and I implore them...don't let it end this way.

Modifié par TheOptimist, 16 mars 2012 - 12:31 .

[Esker02]

Darjeer wrote...

I really can't wait for the situation where they would retcon the ending in DLC and actually have balls to ask people to pay for it. The backlash would be GLORIOUS! Also, no more money for BW from me.

I still don't understand this. I would gladly pay for it. Why? Because we asked for it. We begged on our hands and knees for it to be made... and we understand that it's a business. Development is a process that involves money. Sure, there's the abstract payoff in loyalty to the brand. I get that, we all do. But that doesn't look as nice on the quarterly report.

We cannot seriously ask a service of BioWare, to fix the story and end it on a note worthy of the series, and then get upset if they actually agree to do so, but ask us for some kind of payment. As it is, they would be incurring costs by disrupting their pre-launch DLC plans (presumably that Omega thing, and whatever else they had laid out) and having to start something totally on the spot like that. They have these things all mapped out - profitable windows to launch certain kinds of DLC, how long they have before releasing any given DLC for a title isn't profitable any more, and so on. This ending backlash is a wrench in what is supposed to be a well oiled machine.

I'm not excusing the bad ending, certainly not. I'm not saying that BioWare shouldn't change it because it'd be too expensive or too risky. Indeed, it needs to be fixed in order to salvage the MEverse - almost every really devoted fan can see that, the vast majority of normally devoted fans can see that, and even casual fans of the series usually see that. But we do have to meet them halfway. If Mass Effect means a lot to you, then this isn't a problem. If it's the flavor of the month RPG for you, then I can understand why paid DLC would hold no interest. But it isn't the latter set of fans that buys the comics, the books, the art books, the collector's editions (possibly multiple times), and generally keeps the franchise alive between major video game installments.

I sympathize with the desire to teach "them" a lesson... to never show "the man" another penny for this perceived disgrace. But if you're not careful, that untempered battle cry could come at the expense of any meaningful future for a franchise that, I think we can all agree, we love. Just don't lose sight of that. Be willing to pay for the DLC if they're willing to admit they made a mistake in the first place, when they clearly didn't think they were making one at the time. It takes both sides for this kind of thing..

Modifié par Esker02, 16 mars 2012 - 12:27 .

[conleysdoodles]

Well this is... extremely disappointing. There goes that little glimmer of hope I allowed to form, haha. Back to being bummed out!

[Wowlock]

That is just sad developement decisions. I mean I can't believe they actually thing those ideas would've worked....most appearant would be the God-Child..... and big boss fight at the end won't fit the themes ? What about ME1 and Saren ? what about the Human Reaper thingy and ME2 ? ...that just sounds like they cannot bring themselves to put Shepard against Harbinger in a fair fight soo they let him get shot and 2 of his companions dead ? ....I was doubting what were they thinking before but now.... I don't even have enough hope for a ''fixed DLC'' if they think those ideas were a fitting ending....

[hypothead]

I'm going to throw this out there I was not impressed with ME3 at all.

1. That stupid scanner when you go from the CIC to the war room.
2. Squad mates and romances in my opinion was a fail just get on my ship and lets go but nooo they give me war assets instead.
3. War assets and galactic readiness sucks nuff said.
4. Tali...you already know.
5. Scanning for random peoples things so I get a fleet of bombers by finding someone left shoe and returning it.
6. SIDEQUEST SO MANY SIDEQUEST.
7. ....The ending

Once again my opinion.

[NubXL]

One thing they really managed to kill was my interest in replaying the campaign. I did ME1 8 times, ME2 7 times, but I'm struggling to finish my 2nd run of ME3. Only reason I started a 2nd run at all was to see the things I missed in my 1st run.

Loved the game the first time through. Absolutely loved it. Was debating whether or not it would dethrone ME1 as my favorite of the trilogy. Then it abruptly fell apart. Turned a 10/10 into an 8/10, and really damaged my respect and trust for BioWare as game makers. This was supposed to be the triumphant finale. The promised complex and decision-oriented endings never came. Instead they close with rainbow skid marks and a trollface.

To find out that they not only did this on purpose, but trashed a proper ending in favor of it makes my blood boil.

[BWGungan]

Kmita wrote...

Moirai wrote...

Knight Terror wrote...

Stop saying "Hold The Line" people.

It has been CONFIRMED that this is the ending that BioWare intended to make. No secret DLC. No "gee sorry guys, we'll make up some new endings for you LOL". This is it. It's over.

I absolutely despised the way this game series ended, but that's that. It's just a game.

At this point, I hope BioWare just comes in and tells everyone to deal with it and get off the forums.

If they had no current intention of doing anything about it, then there would be no reason not to tell people that.

The fact that they haven't tends to imply that they either had planned to release additional material, or that they are now considering doing so in light of the huge fanbase blowback on this issue.

Not saying anything if they have no intention of releasing further 'end' content simply makes no sense PR-wise, since there is nothing to gain and everything to lose from not making a statement. Stringing people along just for the hell of it would be the final nail in the coffin of dumb for Bioware.

You haven't noticed all the bad pr? Why would they come out and say "it is what it is people. If you don't like the ending, too bad. We already have your delicious money. We bath in your money, it makes our skin soft... mmmm".

Telling people that they won't do anything would just be bad timing. Saying nothing and just letting people cool off is obviously the way they're going with this. Which should lead anyone to think that they really are saying (by not saying anything) they won't fix it.

If these are the real endings, they have permanently damaged their IP.  Nobody will want to play another Mass Effect game ever if the knowledge is there that the universe is pretty much wiped out as we know it.  You can't just rebuild it either because it'll never be the same, and it won't be what people fell in love with in the first place.

Whether BioWare wanted to do that or not, I cannot imagine EA would let them destroy such a huge IP like that.

I am completely depgressed and empty inside after watching these endings, and I reject them.

The game officially ends on a cliffhanger of me and my crew running into the Conduit, just like Halo 2 did with Master Chief riding a space station during reentry.

Modifié par BWGungan, 16 mars 2012 - 12:29 .

[die-yng]

Esker02 wrote...

Darjeer wrote...

I really can't wait for the situation where they would retcon the ending in DLC and actually have balls to ask people to pay for it. The backlash would be GLORIOUS! Also, no more money for BW from me.

I still don't understand this. I would gladly pay for it. Why? Because we asked for it. We begged on our hands and knees for it to be made... and we understand that it's a business. Development is a process that involves money. Sure, there's the abstract payoff in loyalty to the brand. I get that, we all do. But that doesn't look as nice on the quarterly report.

We cannot seriously ask a service of BioWare, to fix the story and end it on a note worthy of the series, and then get upset if they actually agree to do so, but ask us for some kind of payment. As it is, they would be incurring costs by disrupting their pre-launch DLC plans (presumably that Omega thing, and whatever else they had laid out) and having to start something totally on the spot like that. They have these things all mapped out - profitable windows to launch certain kinds of DLC, how long they have before releasing any given DLC for a title isn't profitable any more, and so on. This ending backlash is a wrench in what is supposed to be a well oiled machine.

I'm not excusing the bad ending, certainly not. I'm not saying that BioWare shouldn't change it because it'd be too expensive or too risky. Indeed, it needs to be fixed in order to salvage the MEverse - almost every really devoted fan can see that, the vast majority of normally devoted fans can see that, and even casual fans of the series usually see that. But we do have to meet them halfway. If Mass Effect means a lot to you, then this isn't a problem. If it's the flavor of the month RPG for you, then I can understand why paid DLC would hold no interest. But it isn't the latter set of fans that buys the comics, the books, the art books, the collector's editions (possibly multiple times), and generally keeps the franchise alive between major video game installments.

I sympathize with the desire to teach "them" a lesson... to never show "the man" another penny for this perceived disgrace. But if you're not careful, that untempered battle cry could come at the expense of any meaningful future for a franchise that, I think we can all agree, we love. Just don't lose sight of that. Be willing to pay for the DLC if they're willing to admit they made a mistake in the first place, when they clearly didn't think they were making at the time. It takes both sides for this kind of thing..

I agree. No matter how bad we think the ending was, they thought they did a okay enough job.

Now I might disagree (and I do), I can't expect them to invest time and money into an ending I deem acceptable, without paying for it.

The game may be flawed by it's ending, but it's still a finished game.

[Ebannaw1]

I find it sadly hillarious that he says fighting the illusive man would be too "video gamey".

Did they forget that their product IS A ****ING VIDEO GAME?

[cobnut]

The awkward moment when the ending of a game sucks so hard its the basis for a new meme.

http://knowyourmeme....dings-reception

I don't know what happened. The gap between the quality of the endings and the rest of the trilogy is just tremendous. Mass Effect was the best gaming franchise I ever experienced. Its ending is the worst ending I've ever seen.

Impossibru!

[Silver]

To think that I paid €74.99 for two new coasters and a few printed pictures just makes me want to puke.

[aclipsed]

hypothead wrote...

I'm going to throw this out there I was not impressed with ME3 at all.

1. That stupid scanner when you go from the CIC to the war room.
2. Squad mates and romances in my opinion was a fail just get on my ship and lets go but nooo they give me war assets instead.
3. War assets and galactic readiness sucks nuff said.
4. Tali...you already know.
5. Scanning for random peoples things so I get a fleet of bombers by finding someone left shoe and returning it.
6. SIDEQUEST SO MANY SIDEQUEST.
7. ....The ending

Once again my opinion.

The Scanner is a cleverly disguised loading screen 

[UrdnotGrunty2]

To the quote about final bosses