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[die-yng]

NubXL wrote...

One thing they really managed to kill was my interest in replaying the campaign. I did ME1 8 times, ME2 7 times, but I'm struggling to finish my 2nd run of ME3. Only reason I started a 2nd run at all was to see the things I missed in my 1st run.

Loved the game the first time through. Absolutely loved it. Was debating whether or not it would dethrone ME1 as my favorite of the trilogy. Then it abruptly fell apart. Turned a 10/10 into an 8/10, and really damaged my respect and trust for BioWare as game makers. This was supposed to be the triumphant finale. The promised complex and decision-oriented endings never came. Instead they close with rainbow skid marks and a trollface.

To find out that they not only did this on purpose, but trashed a proper ending in favor of it makes my blood boil.

I just want to say that I think you are lucky, you actually can still see the game as an 8,
I have trouble seeing it as a 4 or 5 with that ending and continuing any of my other playthroughs is totally out of th e question for now.

[Hoyocantaro]

Please stop talking or quoting "solid 35 hours" it makes me lol hard and it is bad for my asthma.

[MzAdventure]

Dear Bioware:

"You've pricked the side of a mighty beast and entirely failed to run. I admire your courage, but would like to admire it from afar"

[Knight Terror]

This is how a lot of you sound right now:



It's just a video game people. It's time to move on.

[Superninfreak]

UrdnotGrunty2 wrote...

To the quote about final bosses

ME3 has a final boss, it's Marauder Shields

[UrdnotGrunty2]

UrdnotGrunty2 wrote...

To the quote about final bosses

Crap i forgot a marauder shields

Modifié par UrdnotGrunty2, 16 mars 2012 - 12:28 .

[Jsixgun]

This is a pretty good fan take on the whole issue. (quoting author) "ME3's ending gives you about as much closure as a pair of butt-less chaps."

mortarnpistol.com/2012/03/15/a-comprehensive-look-at-the-mass-effect-3-ending/

[bpzrn]

"On Tali's Face
We
eventually decided that she gives you a memento of her pictures, but the
team was throwing around a lot of pictures and designs until we decided
on something and said "Yup, that's her"."


This for me was the second bigest dissapointment, they had a chance on Tali's planet to really giv eus a special moment and they passed it up for this photo thing, glad they showed something but put the tiem and effort in and give Tali her spotlight


No doubt this goes back to corporate pressing time lines Vs waiting for development to finsh the product.

So much cut out out   and I am sure there was 10 hours + cut, as this was the shortest of the 3 and really should have been the longest one IMO

But yea the ending..........  /cry

[novaseeker]

BWGungan wrote...

If these are the real endings, they have permanently damaged their IP.  Nobody will want to play another Mass Effect game ever if the knowledge is there that the universe is pretty much wiped out as we know it.  You can't rebuild it because it'll never be the same, and it won't be what people fell in love with to begin with.

Whether BioWare wants to do that, I cannot imagine EA would let them destroy such a huge IP like that.

It's because they think they have you in the bag anyway.  Hudson said in that app that he sees future content being in the same time frame as ME3 or before ... LOL because there IS no ME universe after ME3.  They killed it.  It's like Charlton Heston in Planet of the Apes :
http://www.wavsource...es_damn_you.wav 

[C04t0]

Blackmind1 wrote...

So the game sucks because EA got greedy and initially wanted something to rival Skyrim during the November sales period, not a decent game with a decent end. Christ...

This depresses me the most. The fact that he falls under Reaper control in one of the initial designs (but it was taken out due to laziness) proves that he is being indoctrinated, but due to them rushing the game, we've ended up with shed loads of botched parts from a greater whole that we will never see. I'm awaiting a director's cut in November. They should have had at least another year on the development of this game...

I wasn't angry before. Cheesed off, but not angry. They ruined the whole thing because they couldn't be assed telling us what was going on, thinking forced lack of answers meant open ended possibilities! This is beyond acceptable. They aimed a deep and meaningful ending at the shooter crowd. Anderson's final speech was cut because they thought it was "too long for the moment". You guys crossed a line this time. You're clearly all terrible writers, and as much as people are saying it, I want to reiterate: The departure of Drew Karpyshyn ruined the game. Mac Walters is clearly a terrible writer. The worst part is that the entire team thought all of the cut things were good idea's, but every one of them was vetoed solely by Mac Walters and Casey Hudson.

I severely hope at least one of you loses your job after this. This is not from a fan, nor a consumers stand point. This is from the standpoint of a writer of fiction. You have completely butchered a series that was so full of potential and so damn well written, up until the last second. You won't forever be remembered as good writers for that ending, you'll forever be ridiculed. How people like you even work in the creative industry is beyond me.

This is just completely pathetic.

Well said +1 beer

[GhostlyMaiden]

BWGungan wrote...

If these are the real endings, they have permanently damaged their IP.  Nobody will want to play another Mass Effect game ever if the knowledge is there that the universe is pretty much wiped out as we know it.  You can't rebuild it because it'll never be the same, and it won't be what people fell in love with to begin with.

Whether BioWare wants to do that, I cannot imagine EA would let them destroy such a huge IP like that.

Except it wasn't wiped out. The Normandy survived the explosion. The planet they landed on survived the explosion. That means other planets had probably survived the explosions. Also, do you really think every single alien was in the Sol System? Wrex states Bakara is back on Tuchanka. The quarians left their noncombatants on Rannoch to cultivate the land and some of the geth were even uploaded into their suits. Yes, they have become isolated. Yes, millions will die from starvation and lack of resources. Yes, there will be anarchy. The point of life is to adapt. Rules will be made. Governments will be established. class systems will be instated. It will just take several years to get back to the point it was before the Reapers. Some species may die out. Some may evolve. Survival is still possible.

[SaladinDheonqar]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Please Bioware...don't do this...

I see you're around the bargaining stage. I'm still stuck in unbridled rage.

[Darjeer]

Esker02 wrote...

Darjeer wrote...

I really can't wait for the situation where they would retcon the ending in DLC and actually have balls to ask people to pay for it. The backlash would be GLORIOUS! Also, no more money for BW from me.

I still don't understand this. I would gladly pay for it. Why? Because we asked for it. We begged on our hands and knees for it to be made... and we understand that it's a business. Development is a process that involves money. Sure, there's the abstract payoff in loyalty to the brand. I get that, we all do. But that doesn't look as nice on the quarterly report.

We cannot seriously ask a service of BioWare, to fix the story and end it on a note worthy of the series, and then get upset if they actually agree to do so, but ask us for some kind of payment. As it is, they would be incurring costs by disrupting their pre-launch DLC plans (presumably that Omega thing, and whatever else they had laid out) and having to start something totally on the spot like that. They have these things all mapped out - profitable windows to launch certain kinds of DLC, how long they have before releasing any given DLC for a title isn't profitable any more, and so on. This ending backlash is a wrench in what is supposed to be a well oiled machine.

I'm not excusing the bad ending, certainly not. I'm not saying that BioWare shouldn't change it because it'd be too expensive or too risky. Indeed, it needs to be fixed in order to salvage the MEverse - almost every really devoted fan can see that, the vast majority of normally devoted fans can see that, and even casual fans of the series usually see that. But we do have to meet them halfway. If Mass Effect means a lot to you, then this isn't a problem. If it's the flavor of the month RPG for you, then I can understand why paid DLC would hold no interest. But it isn't the latter set of fans that buys the comics, the books, the art books, the collector's editions (possibly multiple times), and generally keeps the franchise alive between major video game installments.

I sympathize with the desire to teach "them" a lesson... to never show "the man" another penny for this perceived disgrace. But if you're not careful, that untempered battle cry could come at the expense of any meaningful future for a franchise that, I think we can all agree, we love. Just don't lose sight of that. Be willing to pay for the DLC if they're willing to admit they made a mistake in the first place, when they clearly didn't think they were making at the time. It takes both sides for this kind of thing..

I wouldn't have any problem about paying them for DLC if it was to fix the endings just to please the fans. But the current endings we got are so far from the things we were promised when buying this game, that fixing them to match those promises would be more like repairing a broken product than appeasing to fans.

Modifié par Darjeer, 16 mars 2012 - 12:31 .

[NubXL]

The thing with Tali's face annoys me more than all the ending business. There was a picture perfect moment on Rannoch to reveal her face. Sitting next to Shepard looking out on the horizon of her homeworld, she takes her mask off, CAMERA GOES BEHIND HER LOLOLOL YOU CANT SEE.

Not amused.

[Lashknife]

I don't see the problem with Tali's face. Does it really matter where the photo came from?

[Bantz]

this all just sucks so badly

Modifié par Bantz, 16 mars 2012 - 12:34 .

[DarkSideZin]

Esker02 wrote...

Darjeer wrote...

I really can't wait for the situation where they would retcon the ending in DLC and actually have balls to ask people to pay for it. The backlash would be GLORIOUS! Also, no more money for BW from me.

I still don't understand this. I would gladly pay for it. Why? Because we asked for it. We begged on our hands and knees for it to be made... and we understand that it's a business. Development is a process that involves money. Sure, there's the abstract payoff in loyalty to the brand. I get that, we all do. But that doesn't look as nice on the quarterly report.

We cannot seriously ask a service of BioWare, to fix the story and end it on a note worthy of the series, and then get upset if they actually agree to do so, but ask us for some kind of payment. As it is, they would be incurring costs by disrupting their pre-launch DLC plans (presumably that Omega thing, and whatever else they had laid out) and having to start something totally on the spot like that. They have these things all mapped out - profitable windows to launch certain kinds of DLC, how long they have before releasing any given DLC for a title isn't profitable any more, and so on. This ending backlash is a wrench in what is supposed to be a well oiled machine.

I'm not excusing the bad ending, certainly not. I'm not saying that BioWare shouldn't change it because it'd be too expensive or too risky. Indeed, it needs to be fixed in order to salvage the MEverse - almost every really devoted fan can see that, the vast majority of normally devoted fans can see that, and even casual fans of the series usually see that. But we do have to meet them halfway. If Mass Effect means a lot to you, then this isn't a problem. If it's the flavor of the month RPG for you, then I can understand why paid DLC would hold no interest. But it isn't the latter set of fans that buys the comics, the books, the art books, the collector's editions (possibly multiple times), and generally keeps the franchise alive between major video game installments.

I sympathize with the desire to teach "them" a lesson... to never show "the man" another penny for this perceived disgrace. But if you're not careful, that untempered battle cry could come at the expense of any meaningful future for a franchise that, I think we can all agree, we love. Just don't lose sight of that. Be willing to pay for the DLC if they're willing to admit they made a mistake in the first place, when they clearly didn't think they were making one at the time. It takes both sides for this kind of thing..

You, sir, are the most retarded person I've seen on this forum.

I fell sorry for you.

Modifié par DarkSideZin, 16 mars 2012 - 12:35 .

[bpzrn]

jakecollette wrote...

This is a pretty good fan take on the whole issue. (quoting author) "ME3's ending gives you about as much closure as a pair of butt-less chaps."

mortarnpistol.com/2012/03/15/a-comprehensive-look-at-the-mass-effect-3-ending/

This made me laugh, reading it


"You get three options: Destroy all synthetic life and see every mass
relay in the galaxy get destroyed and a few of your crew crash land on a
mysterious planet (we’ll get into the last part in a second). If you
choose this ending you get a Red Explosion! You can
choose to meld all synthetic life with organic life and see every mass
relay in the galaxy get destroyed and a few of your crew crash land on a
mysterious planet. If you choose this option you get a Green Explosion!
Or lastly, you can choose to control the synthetics and see every mass
relay in the galaxy get destroyed and a few of your crew crash land on a
mysterious planet. If you choose this option you get a Blue Explosion!"


then cry..........

[jerobolod]

jakecollette wrote...

This is a pretty good fan take on the whole issue. (quoting author) "ME3's ending gives you about as much closure as a pair of butt-less chaps."

mortarnpistol.com/2012/03/15/a-comprehensive-look-at-the-mass-effect-3-ending/

Good article. 

And just to put Philosoraptor's mind at ease; NO!

[UrdnotGrunty2]

jerobolod wrote...

jakecollette wrote...

This is a pretty good fan take on the whole issue. (quoting author) "ME3's ending gives you about as much closure as a pair of butt-less chaps."

mortarnpistol.com/2012/03/15/a-comprehensive-look-at-the-mass-effect-3-ending/

Good article. 

And just to put Philosoraptor's mind at ease; NO!

Agree good article

[Bantz]

Lashknife wrote...

I don't see the problem with Tali's face. Does it really matter where the photo came from?

yes it matters. Fans begged for it and we got a badly photoshopped stock photo. then they pass up a perfect chance to give us an epic reveal moment in exchange for a "picture"

[GodChildInTheMachine]

At least now everyone knows how it felt when Black Isle closed halfway through Fallout 3, and then playing Bethesda's take on it.

[Ggx1]

Can't believe that anyone would think this is a good ending. this just confirms that it was rushed and it was not fully thought through.

**** Mac Walters

[Walrusninja]

Asking if it matters where it came from is like asking if it matters where your food at a retaurant came from.

[Esker02]

DarkSideZin wrote...

You, sir, are the most retarded person I've seen on this forum.

I fell sorry for you.

You're free to disagree with me and list your reasons, you know. Why make it personal? You only do all of us a disservice by bringing the discussion down to that level.

Modifié par Esker02, 16 mars 2012 - 12:42 .