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[Sparkky]

Whelp, I guess that's the nail on the coffin.

[Kmita]

BWGungan wrote...

Kmita wrote...

Moirai wrote...

Knight Terror wrote...

Stop saying "Hold The Line" people.

It has been CONFIRMED that this is the ending that BioWare intended to make. No secret DLC. No "gee sorry guys, we'll make up some new endings for you LOL". This is it. It's over.

I absolutely despised the way this game series ended, but that's that. It's just a game.

At this point, I hope BioWare just comes in and tells everyone to deal with it and get off the forums.

If they had no current intention of doing anything about it, then there would be no reason not to tell people that.

The fact that they haven't tends to imply that they either had planned to release additional material, or that they are now considering doing so in light of the huge fanbase blowback on this issue.

Not saying anything if they have no intention of releasing further 'end' content simply makes no sense PR-wise, since there is nothing to gain and everything to lose from not making a statement. Stringing people along just for the hell of it would be the final nail in the coffin of dumb for Bioware.

You haven't noticed all the bad pr? Why would they come out and say "it is what it is people. If you don't like the ending, too bad. We already have your delicious money. We bath in your money, it makes our skin soft... mmmm".

Telling people that they won't do anything would just be bad timing. Saying nothing and just letting people cool off is obviously the way they're going with this. Which should lead anyone to think that they really are saying (by not saying anything) they won't fix it.

If these are the real endings, they have permanently damaged their IP.  Nobody will want to play another Mass Effect game ever if the knowledge is there that the universe is pretty much wiped out as we know it.  You can't just rebuild it either because it'll never be the same, and it won't be what people fell in love with in the first place.

Whether BioWare wanted to do that or not, I cannot imagine EA would let them destroy such a huge IP like that.

I am completely depgressed and empty inside after watching these endings, and I reject them.

The game officially ends on a cliffhanger of me and my crew running into the Conduit, just like Halo 2 did with Master Chief riding a space station during reentry.

In order for them to follow your line of reasoning they would have to think that they actually had hurt their ip. But you're forgetting that we're the "vocal minority". People who dislike your product are always tagged as the "vocal minority". They won't bother to poll everyone who bought the game to find out the truth, but they will continue to assume they produced an epic space opera and all the naysayers are the "vocal minority". The saddest thing about the way the video game industry is heading is reflected deep down in that.

From the time I was a child with my nes and duckhunter to now, the game industry has ballooned. It used to be a niche market, but now there are games which cost over $100 million to produce. We have the expansion of the fan base to thank for the drastic increase in production value, but we also have the increase in fanbase to thank for the drastic decrease is quality. Until the fan base for games stops expanding so ridiculously these companies will never have the proper feedback (in the form of lost sales) required to realize that they're bass ackwards. And why? All because the naysayers are forever doomed to being tagged as "the vocal minority". If there's more people complaining, and their complaints are especially vehement, then they're upgraded to "the VERY vocal minority".

Tool (the band) put my feelings into words years ago with the song "Hooker with a P3nis". I won't post a link to the song because the mods are trying to pretend they have real jobs that add utility to human society, of course they accomplish this by butchering peoples conversations. Just look for the song.

We
Can't
Win

[Beld VanGuard]

So all I'm going to say about this is,
If I worked at a successful company, and I made a program or system or what have you, all of our customer used, and this program/system caused our customers untold grief and problems, resulting in loss of revenue, would I keep my job?

PS. Hold the Line

Modifié par Beld VanGuard, 16 mars 2012 - 12:45 .

[LordHelfort]

Esker02 wrote...

DarkSideZin wrote...

You, sir, are the most retarded person I've seen on this forum.

I fell sorry for you.

You're free to disagree with me and list your reasons, you know. Why make it personal? You only do all of us a disservice by bringing the discussion down to that level.

Nice try Esker02, or should we call you by your real name.

Casey Hudson

[BWGungan]

GhostlyMaiden wrote...

BWGungan wrote...

If these are the real endings, they have permanently damaged their IP.  Nobody will want to play another Mass Effect game ever if the knowledge is there that the universe is pretty much wiped out as we know it.  You can't rebuild it because it'll never be the same, and it won't be what people fell in love with to begin with.

Whether BioWare wants to do that, I cannot imagine EA would let them destroy such a huge IP like that.

Except it wasn't wiped out. The Normandy survived the explosion. The planet they landed on survived the explosion. That means other planets had probably survived the explosions. Also, do you really think every single alien was in the Sol System? Wrex states Bakara is back on Tuchanka. The quarians left their noncombatants on Rannoch to cultivate the land and some of the geth were even uploaded into their suits. Yes, they have become isolated. Yes, millions will die from starvation and lack of resources. Yes, there will be anarchy. The point of life is to adapt. Rules will be made. Governments will be established. class systems will be instated. It will just take several years to get back to the point it was before the Reapers. Some species may die out. Some may evolve. Survival is still possible.

They destroyed the mass relays, which should have annihilated many inhabited solar systems (those explosions definately looked big on the galaxy map), and even if it didn't, it is now a universe without mass relays, a universe where space travel is damn near impossible.  That's one of those things I was talking about that made people fall in love with the universe and the lore.  Without the mass relays, there is no Mass Effect.  Period.

Modifié par BWGungan, 16 mars 2012 - 01:00 .

[kewken]

Q: What did you think of the ending? Is this addressed in the story?
A: "I've seen the uproar online about the ending and understand the fan perspective. Personally I respect the creative choices the team made and had no problems with how the story ended -- it made you feel something, even if that feeling was uncomfortable."


This must be THE most stupid statement ever made by a company in the history of mankind. "We want to make our customers feel uncomfortable"

Damn you Bioware and all that you have become.

The fact that i bought the CE makes me wanna vomit at this point...

[Moirai]

die-yng wrote...

<SNIP>

I agree. No matter how bad we think the ending was, they thought they did a okay enough job.

Now I might disagree (and I do), I can't expect them to invest time and money into an ending I deem acceptable, without paying for it.

The game may be flawed by it's ending, but it's still a finished game.

Hmmm... This is a bit like buying a car after the manufacturer has told you that the brakes will stop you in 100 feet from 50MPH, and then finding after purchase that they only stop you in 200 feet.

You would hardly argue that, "Well, okay, at least they stop me, so they are legitimate brakes. And if I really want the brakes that I was originally promised, I see no problem with paying extra for them."

Sorry, I can't do that...

Modifié par Moirai, 16 mars 2012 - 12:48 .

[Piarath]

So basically, this really is how they wanted to end it. No matter what you do, all the relays are destroyed, the Normandy crashes, the united fleets of the galaxy are either stranded on earth or dead while the galaxy plunges into a galactic dark age, and that it was all going to end with an AI God Child rather then everything you've built for in the first, second, and even THIRD game coming to a head and MATTERING at the end. Why did we ever need the Crucible in the first place? They state outright through both games, you can beat the Reapers. Unite! That's why they fear Shepard! Not because Shepard had the Crucible.

It was dark for the sake of being dark and they would rather ride on leaving you to ask questions then actually try to write out multiple endings; like they promised. If I wanted to imagine my own ending, I wouldn't have bought the game. I understand there's a fine line to walk, but seriously... no choices, silly MacGuffin for defeating an enemy that we were lead to believe we could defeat through two games, and everything ends the same way with only the fate of Shepard mildly changing in each scenario; you life, you die, you become a reaper. Hi, we love Shepard, and hell many of us wanted a happy ending for him/her, but we cared about the REST of the world too, and the characters. What the eff were we fighting for? Oh, right, to not go extinct. Well, I guess there's that... life goes on!

Stupid ending, riddled with plot holes, no choices given... I've gotten better out of jRPGs.

As a final note, I'm not spending a cent on this app and giving them MORE money. Not a damn cent until they actually give us what they PROMISED.

Modifié par Piarath, 16 mars 2012 - 12:51 .

[trekkie1701c]

TheOptimist wrote...

I'm going to differ from a number of people here and say this actually gives me some hope for the folks at Bioware.  Yes, it appears they have made a grievous error, but errors can be corrected, and atleast they appear to have made that error honestly.  So they have a choice, and I implore them...don't let it end this way.

^This.  They said they are listening to our concerns.  Yes, it appears they may have made a really bad call, but groupthink does happen.

If they don't fix it, it's their call.  I agree that they've hurt the IP pretty badly (I had actually thought of doing a Mass Effect themed case when I do my computer upgrade next month, but I'm going to scrap that because I'm worried about vandalism at LAN parties now).  I'll probably eat the cost of the collector's edition I purchased, though, and if they do release a DLC that's under 320 BW points I may buy it (since that's what I have left in my account), but aside from that, if they've really misread their fans that badly and are not really wanting to give answers as to what happened... then I can't say I want to pay them more money for anything.

The only other thing that would really make me happy would be just explaining the ending.  You're right, I don't need to know how long the reapers have been reaping.  I'd love to know - but I can live without knowing it.  But what about your squad?  How did they make it back to the Normandy?  What was the Normandy doing?  Why didn't the Catalyst open the Citadel relay in ME1?  If these things could be cleared up in a satisfactory way, I actually think I'd be fine with it.  I'm not even talking a DLC slideshow.  I'm talking an "explain it like I'm five" explanation, could even be posted on the forums.  As it is, it just feels unfinished, and emotionally, as you play through for the first time, it's like hitting a brick wall.  Given also the emotional responses from some people (I'm not talking about the "burn down bioware HQ" anger, I'm talking about the people that get depressed for a few days after finishing the game), I'd just have to say it's a badly done ending.  I like the idea of it - it can certainly work - but it's just not fitting well enough with the rest of the game.

[Zix13]

LordHelfort wrote...

Esker02 wrote...

DarkSideZin wrote...

You, sir, are the most retarded person I've seen on this forum.

I fell sorry for you.

You're free to disagree with me and list your reasons, you know. Why make it personal? You only do all of us a disservice by bringing the discussion down to that level.

Nice try Esker02, or should we call you by your real name.

Casey Hudson

His point is valid. If they have no ending in the tubes, paying them for one is the only way it's going to happen. Developing a new product for free =/= reality.

[lordnyx1]

kewken wrote...

Q: What did you think of the ending? Is this addressed in the story?
A: "I've seen the uproar online about the ending and understand the fan perspective. Personally I respect the creative choices the team made and had no problems with how the story ended -- it made you feel something, even if that feeling was uncomfortable."


This must be THE most stupid statement ever made by a company in the history of mankind. "We want to make our customers feel uncomfortable"

Damn you Bioware and all that you have become.

The fact that i bought the CE makes me wanna vomit at this point...

Thats not an offical bioware statement thats just the author of the ap talking.

[charmedmeat]

Blackmind1 wrote...

So the game sucks because EA got greedy and initially wanted something to rival Skyrim during the November sales period, not a decent game with a decent end. Christ...

This depresses me the most. The fact that he falls under Reaper control in one of the initial designs (but it was taken out due to laziness) proves that he is being indoctrinated, but due to them rushing the game, we've ended up with shed loads of botched parts from a greater whole that we will never see. I'm awaiting a director's cut in November. They should have had at least another year on the development of this game...

I wasn't angry before. Cheesed off, but not angry. They ruined the whole thing because they couldn't be assed telling us what was going on, thinking forced lack of answers meant open ended possibilities! This is beyond acceptable. They aimed a deep and meaningful ending at the shooter crowd. Anderson's final speech was cut because they thought it was "too long for the moment". You guys crossed a line this time. You're clearly all terrible writers, and as much as people are saying it, I want to reiterate: The departure of Drew Karpyshyn ruined the game. Mac Walters is clearly a terrible writer. The worst part is that the entire team thought all of the cut things were good idea's, but every one of them was vetoed solely by Mac Walters and Casey Hudson.

I severely hope at least one of you loses your job after this. This is not from a fan, nor a consumers stand point. This is from the standpoint of a writer of fiction. You have completely butchered a series that was so full of potential and so damn well written, up until the last second. You won't forever be remembered as good writers for that ending, you'll forever be ridiculed. How people like you even work in the creative industry is beyond me.

This is just completely pathetic.

Bravo sir!!!  THIS!!

[Akhiro]

I'm still clinging to the indoctrination theory. There's hope my friends.

[lordnyx1]

Zix13 wrote...

LordHelfort wrote...

Esker02 wrote...

DarkSideZin wrote...

You, sir, are the most retarded person I've seen on this forum.

I fell sorry for you.

You're free to disagree with me and list your reasons, you know. Why make it personal? You only do all of us a disservice by bringing the discussion down to that level.

Nice try Esker02, or should we call you by your real name.

Casey Hudson

His point is valid. If they have no ending in the tubes, paying them for one is the only way it's going to happen. Developing a new product for free =/= reality.

Which is why you have to buy patches. Oh wait...
Also freeware/shareware/flash games/etc...

Modifié par lordnyx1, 16 mars 2012 - 12:51 .

[locsphere]

I know that in these little idea groups things can be hard to figure out and there is much debate but here are a few things.

The Illusive man fight seemed too video gamish... I mean its not like we are playing a video game or anything. Also if they thought the Illusive man fight was video gamish what was the fight in ME2? I mean a ginat human reaper that can be taking out by shooting areas that turn red and open making it vulnerable? Uuuuuh thats very video gamish. BUT ITS A VIDEO GAME.

This is very poor decision making. I really mean this and I think I speak for a lot of people, but if this is not corrected if we don't get a DLC that is in Keeping with Mass Effect. Meaning if we make the right decisions we can all come out of this alive along with talking with all of our friends. Then I am done. A lot of us are done.

[aliengmr1]

So its "as intended"

Can't see how a nihilistic, single ending gets people excited for DLC. Guess I won't waste money on the previous DLC I missed or any future DLC.

[Singu]

Doctors Muzyka and Zeschuk rings the bell at Nasdaq last december, here's a quote from the interview done back then:

Muzyka isn't above admitting it could turn out, at least in some cases, not exactly as planned. But he's betting on his company being flexible enough to make it work. "We're gonna do it with careful attention - listening every step of the way to our fans - and, you know, sometimes we make mistakes, but we're gonna listen to our fans, and our investors, and our employees, and we're gonna address those issues and make it better," he told me. "Every game better than the last is our goal."

Now we know where they got the "listening" mantra from. And frankly I couldn't care less if they "adress those issues and make it better" because they won't have me as a customer. What once could be called growing pains has turned into a mutation of big corporate mantras and policy.

[LittleDeadGirl]

Again, I have no problem with no end boss, I have no problem with idea of endings, I have a major problem with execution. It was lazy and full of plot holes on top of at times making no sense. I just can't believe Bioware thought this was a good idea or wouldn't be noticed by its devoted fans. They think fans are smart enough to grapple with the many philosophical questions the game presents but not smart enough to notice same stock images with different colors. O_o

[BWGungan]

Kmita wrote...

*snip*

In order for them to follow your line of reasoning they would have to think that they actually had hurt their ip. But you're forgetting that we're the "vocal minority". People who dislike your product are always tagged as the "vocal minority". They won't bother to poll everyone who bought the game to find out the truth, but they will continue to assume they produced an epic space opera and all the naysayers are the "vocal minority". The saddest thing about the way the video game industry is heading is reflected deep down in that.

From the time I was a child with my nes and duckhunter to now, the game industry has ballooned. It used to be a niche market, but now there are games which cost over $100 million to produce. We have the expansion of the fan base to thank for the drastic increase in production value, but we also have the increase in fanbase to thank for the drastic decrease is quality. Until the fan base for games stops expanding so ridiculously these companies will never have the proper feedback (in the form of lost sales) required to realize that they're bass ackwards. And why? All because the naysayers are forever doomed to being tagged as "the vocal minority". If there's more people complaining, and their complaints are especially vehement, then they're upgraded to "the VERY vocal minority".

Tool (the band) put my feelings into words years ago with the song "Hooker with a P3nis". I won't post a link to the song because the mods are trying to pretend they have real jobs that add utility to human society, of course they accomplish this by butchering peoples conversations. Just look for the song.

We
Can't
Win

I can't imagine the poll on this very forum of 50000 people (at my last view) showing 90% dissatisfaction with the endings is a completely innacurate result.

I didn't even vote in that poll because my computer kept crashing when I tried to.  So you can add +1 to that.

Modifié par BWGungan, 16 mars 2012 - 12:55 .

[charmedmeat]

Ebannaw1 wrote...

I find it sadly hillarious that he says fighting the illusive man would be too "video gamey".

Did they forget that their product IS A ****ING VIDEO GAME?

Nah, they're too hip and cool for that! 

The entire thing reeks of elitism and contempt for the fanbase.

[Nauks]

Enough lurking, off to bed.
This has been an excellent read, keep hope alive.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

How the hell did they think this was a good idea? Like....this is almost like corporate suicide. Unless they have legitimately became that dumb.

[bpzrn]

Bantz wrote...

Lashknife wrote...

I don't see the problem with Tali's face. Does it really matter where the photo came from?

yes it matters. Fans begged for it and we got a badly photoshopped stock photo. then they pass up a perfect chance to give us an epic reveal moment in exchange for a "picture"

The picture idea I think was a cop out, make teh animation and show her in a cut scene on he rhome planent taht would have had a huge lastign impact on the fan base.

I agree with many, it seems developers neede dmore time along with decision makers making better decisions. They created a great game with a focus on RP the mashed MP and shorter stuff in too much and they got away form the foundation that made ME great.

"conversations too long" -  isnt that what we all want? more deep dialoge.

[rinoe]

kewken wrote...

Q: What did you think of the ending? Is this addressed in the story?
A: "I've seen the uproar online about the ending and understand the fan perspective. Personally I respect the creative choices the team made and had no problems with how the story ended -- it made you feel something, even if that feeling was uncomfortable."


This must be THE most stupid statement ever made by a company in the history of mankind. "We want to make our customers feel uncomfortable"

Damn you Bioware and all that you have become.

The fact that i bought the CE makes me wanna vomit at this point...

Yeah, isn't it brilliant... in its stupidity?

And they want to make money out of it? NOW?  I will hide it.  Burn it and dig it.... Final Hours... whos final hours could it be?

[SecElit3]

charmedmeat wrote...

Blackmind1 wrote...

So the game sucks because EA got greedy and initially wanted something to rival Skyrim during the November sales period, not a decent game with a decent end. Christ...

This depresses me the most. The fact that he falls under Reaper control in one of the initial designs (but it was taken out due to laziness) proves that he is being indoctrinated, but due to them rushing the game, we've ended up with shed loads of botched parts from a greater whole that we will never see. I'm awaiting a director's cut in November. They should have had at least another year on the development of this game...

I wasn't angry before. Cheesed off, but not angry. They ruined the whole thing because they couldn't be assed telling us what was going on, thinking forced lack of answers meant open ended possibilities! This is beyond acceptable. They aimed a deep and meaningful ending at the shooter crowd. Anderson's final speech was cut because they thought it was "too long for the moment". You guys crossed a line this time. You're clearly all terrible writers, and as much as people are saying it, I want to reiterate: The departure of Drew Karpyshyn ruined the game. Mac Walters is clearly a terrible writer. The worst part is that the entire team thought all of the cut things were good idea's, but every one of them was vetoed solely by Mac Walters and Casey Hudson.

I severely hope at least one of you loses your job after this. This is not from a fan, nor a consumers stand point. This is from the standpoint of a writer of fiction. You have completely butchered a series that was so full of potential and so damn well written, up until the last second. You won't forever be remembered as good writers for that ending, you'll forever be ridiculed. How people like you even work in the creative industry is beyond me.

This is just completely pathetic.

Bravo sir!!!  THIS!!

Hello... post of the year right here!