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[Esker02]

LordHelfort wrote...

Nice try Esker02, or should we call you by your real name.

Casey Hudson

lol. I'd like nothing more than to be in some kind of position to ensure that DLC gets made to fix ME, believe me. I'm just trying to reinforce something that Stanley Woo made clear last night - BioWare is not the enemy. They're not the Reapers to be fought and struck down (although the images are hilarious). They're allies to be worked with to achieve an outcome that is in both of our best interests... they want ME to succeed as much as we do. We want them to understand that it cannot if it takes the direction it currently has, and they would, undoubtedly, want us to understand that they're ultimately a business, and as such, have constraints (right down to what they can and cannot talk about at certain points in time). Demanding free DLC, in my mind, does not represent adequate consideration on our part of that constraint.

But that in no way diminishes the fact that I want to see the ending changed as much, if not more, than everybody else here... and in fact, something I've loved about the fan response is that we generally haven't put the cart before the horse and got caught up arguing details like paid or unpaid, precisely what the new endings should be, and so on. We're united in our general agony. Let's hold on to that much as long as possible.

[scottish_sin]

Akhiro wrote...

I'm still clinging to the indoctrination theory. There's hope my friends.

I want to believe it I really do, but after this... i don't know. 

[Xannerz]

SecElit3 wrote...

charmedmeat wrote...

Blackmind1 wrote...

So the game sucks because EA got greedy and initially wanted something to rival Skyrim during the November sales period, not a decent game with a decent end. Christ...

This depresses me the most. The fact that he falls under Reaper control in one of the initial designs (but it was taken out due to laziness) proves that he is being indoctrinated, but due to them rushing the game, we've ended up with shed loads of botched parts from a greater whole that we will never see. I'm awaiting a director's cut in November. They should have had at least another year on the development of this game...

I wasn't angry before. Cheesed off, but not angry. They ruined the whole thing because they couldn't be assed telling us what was going on, thinking forced lack of answers meant open ended possibilities! This is beyond acceptable. They aimed a deep and meaningful ending at the shooter crowd. Anderson's final speech was cut because they thought it was "too long for the moment". You guys crossed a line this time. You're clearly all terrible writers, and as much as people are saying it, I want to reiterate: The departure of Drew Karpyshyn ruined the game. Mac Walters is clearly a terrible writer. The worst part is that the entire team thought all of the cut things were good idea's, but every one of them was vetoed solely by Mac Walters and Casey Hudson.

I severely hope at least one of you loses your job after this. This is not from a fan, nor a consumers stand point. This is from the standpoint of a writer of fiction. You have completely butchered a series that was so full of potential and so damn well written, up until the last second. You won't forever be remembered as good writers for that ending, you'll forever be ridiculed. How people like you even work in the creative industry is beyond me.

This is just completely pathetic.

Bravo sir!!!  THIS!!

Hello... post of the year right here!

Bioware, please, please, don't let me lose faith in you. 

The ending is a desperate attempt to be "edgy." It's lazy and reminds me of a green piece of plot-holed swiss cheese.

[BWGungan]

Akhiro wrote...

I'm still clinging to the indoctrination theory. There's hope my friends.

I'm just rejecting the endings altogether and sticking to it ending on a cliffhanger as my team and I run into the conduit. 

Kind of like how Master Chief rode a space station during reentry at the end of Halo 2.

[Piarath]

locsphere wrote...

The Illusive man fight seemed too video gamish... I mean its not like we are playing a video game or anything. Also if they thought the Illusive man fight was video gamish what was the fight in ME2? I mean a ginat human reaper that can be taking out by shooting areas that turn red and open making it vulnerable? Uuuuuh thats very video gamish. BUT ITS A VIDEO GAME.

Seriously. If we wanted an interactive movie, we'd get one. It IS a video game. We'll allow for some video gaey aspects. Hell, I daresay, that's why MOST people are PLAYING it. If they wanted something else, they should have made a Mass Effect movie.

Not a god damned cent to BioWare until they fix it. I'll be bold enough to say that I'd probably buy the DLC that fixes/rewrites these endings, because development does cost money yes, but until that time... well, ME3 doesn't need anymore of my money lost into it and I daresay I'll be very careful in my purchases of any future games. I'll probably spend the money on things like Skyrim or such.

At least Bethesda doesn't make false pretenses and listens to their fans.

[novaseeker]

trekkie1701c wrote... I'd just have to say it's a badly done ending.  I like the idea of it - it can certainly work - but it's just not fitting well enough with the rest of the game.

Exactly.

The problem is that we got an Inception type ending for a game series that for 100+ hours prior was NOT an Inception type game.  It was a round peg forced into a square hole.  It doesn't fit.  They went all artistic and hip with the ending, but forgot that it doesn't mesh at all with the play philosophy of the game --i.e., in the end your choices matter, as they did in ME1 and ME2 ... not really in ME3 other than EMS, which is paltry really.  Oh, we wrapped up other arcs during the rest of ME3, but in the end those "wraps" don't matter one whit at the end, and that is unlike the other two ME games.  It's glaringly unfitting.  Bah.  Just unthinkable that they did this.  

[Timpossible21]

Ebannaw1 wrote...

I find it sadly hillarious that he says fighting the illusive man would be too "video gamey".

Did they forget that their product IS A ****ING VIDEO GAME?

They are kinda right:
If you believe that videogames can be more than just toys, you need to do something different. More than showing you a highscore.
BUT:
A Videogame is no movie. What Bioware did would have worked fantasticly in a movie, where you can't affect the things happening in it. But Mass Effect is a video game, not a movie. You can't just say: "That's how i want the story/the universe to end!"

If you want to tell us something specific about life and if you think there is only one way to tell us, thank don't give us choices. Don't give us the feeling, that we might affect the ending, if we can't affect it.
And don't tell us a different colour of engergie or a different number of casulties is a different ending. It doesn't matter what you do: You'll send the galaxy back in a dark age and close to everyone in the sol system will die after some time.

(Hope this is understandable. It's late.  Maybe too late to write something in another language than my own...)

[NubXL]

All of this makes me wish I had never been a fan to begin with. I look at other franchises being bastardized and think to myself that I'm lucky I'm not a fan. Now I know how they feel.

[scottish_sin]

Timpossible21 wrote...

Ebannaw1 wrote...

I find it sadly hillarious that he says fighting the illusive man would be too "video gamey".

Did they forget that their product IS A ****ING VIDEO GAME?

They are kinda right:
If you believe that videogames can be more than just toys, you need to do something different. More than showing you a highscore.
BUT:
A Videogame is no movie. What Bioware did would have worked fantasticly in a movie, where you can't affect the things happening in it. But Mass Effect is a video game, not a movie. You can't just say: "That's how i want the story/the universe to end!"

If you want to tell us something specific about life and if you think there is only one way to tell us, thank don't give us choices. Don't give us the feeling, that we might affect the ending, if we can't affect it.
And don't tell us a different colour of engergie or a different number of casulties is a different ending. It doesn't matter what you do: You'll send the galaxy back in a dark age and close to everyone in the sol system will die after some time.

(Hope this is understandable. It's late.  Maybe too late to write something in another language than my own...)

Nope, you did great. That was a good post. I agree with you completely.

[Tyrsah]

Wow Bioware. I can't say I truly ever defended you for this ending but I did my best to understand your reasons behind it without attacking you. But now it seems my effort to be civil was a waste. This just proves that what ultimately mattered to you was meeting the release date and relieving your once loyal fans of their hard earned money.

It's official, we're better writers than you. Tell your creative team to step aside because we got this s***. Now stop trying to placate us and fix your blatant disregard for what was promised. We deserve better, for crying out loud, Shepherd deserves better. The very least you could do was maintain pride in your own story but you couldn't even do that. Good thing your fans (rather previous fans) had more integrity, faith and love for your work than you did.

Shepherd out!

[Bantz]

NubXL wrote...

All of this makes me wish I had never been a fan to begin with. I look at other franchises being bastardized and think to myself that I'm lucky I'm not a fan. Now I know how they feel.

I'm with you 100%

to quote Shepherd, "i should go"

[Silver]

Tyrsah wrote...

Wow Bioware. I can't say I truly ever defended you for this ending but I did my best to understand your reasons behind it without attacking you. But now it seems my effort to be civil was a waste. This just proves that what ultimately mattered to you was meeting the release date and relieving your once loyal fans of their hard earned money.

It's official, we're better writers than you. Tell your creative team to step aside because we got this s***. Now stop trying to placate us and fix your blatant disregard for what was promised. We deserve better, for crying out loud, Shepherd deserves better. The very least you could do was maintain pride in your own story but you couldn't even do that. Good thing your fans (rather previous fans) had more integrity, faith and love for your work than you did.

Shepherd out!

^This

[novaseeker]

Timpossible21 wrote...
A Videogame is no movie. What Bioware did would have worked fantasticly in a movie, where you can't affect the things happening in it. But Mass Effect is a video game, not a movie. You can't just say: "That's how i want the story/the universe to end!"

If you want to tell us something specific about life and if you think there is only one way to tell us, thank don't give us choices. Don't give us the feeling, that we might affect the ending, if we can't affect it.

Precisely the problem.  BioWare created a game series where a lot of control was given to the player in terms of the story, and then at the end, most of that was taken back from the player, and the options offered were brief, unsatisfying and contradictory to the themes that came beforehand.  In an interactive environment, taking back the controls to that degree (no ability to argue with Godchild) was extremely jarring, out of character for Shepard and the series, and is just not really acceptable as an ending.  But it is what it is.

[Asari]

why..destroy...something..so..perfect.. I honestly dont get you right now bioware, mass effect series were the best thing ever happend in gaming history, until the end of the last game.. unless you fix or patch the ending, make it better.. I have to say im done with bioware.

[Getorex]

I have warned my sister and father away from playing. They loved the series and were looking forward, big time, to ME3. I had to break the bad news that if they wanted to keep the good feeling fo the series that they should, AT BEST, only play ME3 to the point NEAR the end when you say your last goodbyes to all the surviving main characters. After that, I warned them that it would totally suck the life out of the series and make it impossible to enjoy playing any of them again.

[MPSai]

So as late as November they were still waffling around with how to end the damn game? What the hell? What the hell happened?

So there we have it, the ending was a product of time crunching and desperation but the writers want to put their fingers in their ears and stand by it being like totally artsy and deep, you guys.

Mac. Casey. Take the Indoctrination Theory and work off of it to give us a real series resolution. You owe it to your fans and your art.

[Jsixgun]

Getorex wrote...

I have warned my sister and father away from playing. They loved the series and were looking forward, big time, to ME3. I had to break the bad news that if they wanted to keep the good feeling fo the series that they should, AT BEST, only play ME3 to the point NEAR the end when you say your last goodbyes to all the surviving main characters. After that, I warned them that it would totally suck the life out of the series and make it impossible to enjoy playing any of them again.

you should just loan them yours so they don't have to spend $ on being dissapointed. 

[irishScott3]

Wow... yeah screw cautious buying. Bioware has just proven they are not only out of touch, but flat-out incompetent at ending a story. Whoever thought this was a good idea needs to get out of their own head and talk to some real people who actually played the game.

Plus it shows that Casey Hudson was intentionally, bald-faced lying about the multiple ending options and their level of detail. He promised us such endings in January, this source said everything was decided by the end of 2011.

Bioware, fix it. Or you'll never see another dime of my money. Period.

Modifié par irishScott3, 16 mars 2012 - 01:21 .

[Rocktel]

Posting here since my thread got buried.

After seeing the Final Hours, its much easier to understand why the
ending took the course it did. I can understand how it the thinking
process probably went, with wanting to leave things open for fan
interpretation, and I can see that a lot of thought was put into it.
Don't think BioWare is stupid at all for making the decision they did,
it might have worked.

The problem is it was completely the wrong
approach to take. While it might have worked in a series where choice
did not take the center stage, when someone makes a choice in a game
that claims to have choice as a vital component, they want to eventually
learn exactly how that affected things. In fact its a huge part of the
appeal. Being vague and leaving things open to interpretation nullifies
the point of our choices, which is to see how things ultimately ended up
thanks to our choices.

The correct approach would have been to
make the conversation with the Catalyst a more investigatory one. Things
about the Reapers that we "don't need to know" are precisely the things
we wanted to know and what we expected. Giving everyone a common ending
defeats the purpose of making choices, which was to have a radically
different ending and seeing something completely different than if you
had chosen something else. Leaving the state of the universe vague and
open to interpretation has the same problem, we want to SEE exactly how
things have turned out and how we affected them.

In the end this
approach to the endings trampled what made the rest of the series so
special; choices, consequences, and seeing what our choices did.

Modifié par Rocktel, 16 mars 2012 - 01:23 .

[Getorex]

kewken wrote...

Q: What did you think of the ending? Is this addressed in the story?
A: "I've seen the uproar online about the ending and understand the fan perspective. Personally I respect the creative choices the team made and had no problems with how the story ended -- it made you feel something, even if that feeling was uncomfortable."


This must be THE most stupid statement ever made by a company in the history of mankind. "We want to make our customers feel uncomfortable"

Damn you Bioware and all that you have become.

The fact that i bought the CE makes me wanna vomit at this point...

Load of crap answer.  ANY ending would make you "feel" something.  Rage, puzzlement, disappointment, astonishment, etc.  ANY ending.  And that's what they went for, an "ANY" ending just to get a rise.

Suck it.  Oh, and do NOT make the movie.  It is going to be a stinker.  Can't be otherwise with the butcher job done to the conclusion.

[JaKaSa]

Without reading +80 pages of comments here is few of mine:

Casey on the End Boss
'We had the final fight with the Illusive man in the game, but it just felt very Video Gamey. It didnt fit in with the themes. And really, is there a point of the end boss if only for the sake of an end boss?'

I like this decision.

On Deciding the End of the Game
The illusive man boss fight had been scrapped... but there was still much debate. 'One night walters scribbled down some thought on various ways the game could end with the line "Lots of speculation for Everyone!" at the bottom of the page.'

In truth the final bits of dialogue were debated right up until the end of 2011. Martin sheen's voice-over session for the illusive man, originally scheduled for August, was delayed until mid-November so the writers would have more time to finesse the ending.

And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped because the gaemplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices).

Kinda proves that it was not properly thought out. They just decided to go with it and rationalize bad ending with "it's meant to rise speculation".

Deleted Scenes Videos:
- Liara and Garrus are running behind sheppard in the run for the conduit. Garrus falls over and Liara tries to pick him up. As he gets up, the two run and are hit by a laser as sheppard watches on without hope. In the final version (which is shown beside the deleted scenes video.) the body of your team mates are on the floor dead instead.

In case it was always supposed to be Garrus and Liara I'm glad it did not make it to game, but if it was just whoever you chose to come witih you for last mission then I wouldn't have minded. I had Javik and James aka cannon fodder for that kind of situations.

Modifié par JaKaSa, 16 mars 2012 - 01:23 .

[NubXL]

irishScott3 wrote...

Plus it shows that Casey Hudson was intentionally, bald-faced lying about the multiple ending options and their level of detail. He promised us such endings in January, this source said everything was decided by the end of 2011.

Biggest problem with all of this, IMO.  The man blatantly lied about what was included in the game.  Blew volcanic levels of smoke up our asses.

[Golferguy758]

........I can only hope that you have something up your sleeve
....../
(....) - I should go...
......\\
.......Seriously? What the hell?

[Getorex]

jakecollette wrote...

Getorex wrote...

I have warned my sister and father away from playing. They loved the series and were looking forward, big time, to ME3. I had to break the bad news that if they wanted to keep the good feeling fo the series that they should, AT BEST, only play ME3 to the point NEAR the end when you say your last goodbyes to all the surviving main characters. After that, I warned them that it would totally suck the life out of the series and make it impossible to enjoy playing any of them again.

you should just loan them yours so they don't have to spend $ on being dissapointed. 

Too late.  And how do I lend them a digital copy?  How do I get a REFUND on a digital copy?  Can I somehow sell my digital copy online?  On ebay for, say, $10?

[vrumpt]

After the information that came out this video, I am simply in awe and disbelief that this ending was actually legitimate. I am so sad now, so very very sad.