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[webrakefornobody]

Treavor647 wrote...

Veryth wrote...

Tygur wrote...

https://twitter.com/...482810862243840

You sure?  Because, I don't know if it's been mentioned, but this quote pretty much kills any and all hope:

Hudson isn't sure where the series goes next, but he's pretty confident that he never wants to tell any stories that take place in a post-Shepard era. "Whatever we do would likely happen before or during the events of Mass Effect 3, not after," he suggests.

Which is a pretty good indication the ending is the end for Shepard (even with the "alive" teaser).  I'm sure when they're looking at how much they could be making by milking Shepard dry, they'll change their mind ... but at this point, I'm not going to be giving them any money for it. Not for Mass Effect and not for any future RPG.  Not when this is where they've planned to end things all along.

PLEASE tell me they are not going to do the star Wars thing and tell another trilogy on how anderson became admiral or how how TIM became who he was.    We all saw how that turned out.  We got Jar Jar binks out of that.

and even worse: midichlorians.

[Roguekad]

dreaming_raithe wrote...

Whybother wrote...

dreaming_raithe wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

@JessicaMerizan If only one of those implications wasn't that Tali was stranded on a mysterious planet w/o Shepard... 8

Jessica Merizan ‏
@Dr_Endless so choose red and go save her

Only if you play enough Multiplayer, right? -.- Do they even realize what they did in their own game?

And that:
(a) the Relays are broken so traveling will take a while;
( Joker doesn't seem to know where he is, so it's probably uncharted;
© the Castaways aren't rescued anyway because grandpa is telling stories about The Shepard to the kid on that very planet for 800 Bioware points

Maybe we aren't getting DLC, but a new Mass Effect themed sitcom, called Joker's Island! Tali can use her technical know how to make radios out of coconuts before she starves to death and...

Tali did once say is ME2 that if you gave her circut boards, a bit of hull and enough element zero she's have it doing percision jump in no time. Not that I think THAT'S how they're getting off the planet.

[dreaming_raithe]

J717 wrote...

I tweeted Jessica Merizan this poll:

http://social.biowar...606/polls/28989

I don't know why she says "90% is an arbitrary number," but having 45K+/50K people vote that they want a better ending...is 90%. And a 50,000-person sample size? That's is INCREDIBLE...there are studies that would KILL for that big of a sample size to make decisions and projections off of...

Bioware, stop ignoring your fanbase...it's pretty obvious what the general consensus is towards the ending...the majority wants different endings. I can't visit ANY website related to gaming or media without reading about my fellow ME fans calling for a change.

She's actually right. The poll itself has a huge sampling bias. Imagine if you did a study wherein you were asking people their ethnicity, but you only asked the question in Japan (a largley uniform nation). Your survey would indicate that a high percentage (probably somewhere around the 70%-90% range--but I'm not knowledgeable on current population numbers) were Japanese. You cannot, however, extrapolate the results of that survey to the entire planet, and say that the world is predomiately Japanese.

The problem comes from the fact that, traditionally, most people that *don't* have problems don't come to forums to voice them. Angry or confused players are far more likely to post on the official forums than those that don't. This is something that happens with startingly regularity on the World of Warcraft forums whenever some new change is announced--the forums will be a center of uproar from a dedicated group that are convinced Blizzard is ruining the game. But if you go into the game itself, you find that the outrage is much less potent among players that don't frequent the official forums.

That's where all of the "vocal minority" stuff comes from. We may not actually be a minority at this point--it's difficult to tell because we don't have the input of everyone who doesn't come to BSN or doesn't know about it or can't be bothered to create an account, or who doesn't have internet access, and so on. We would need a representative sample of opinions from all of these groups to really be able to determine whether a majority of people that played the game hated the ending.

That being said, internet polls are usually not skewed to one side or the other so strongly in my experience, and the success of the Child's Play Drive and the continued publication of articles all around the 'net indicate that the movement as a whole is quite unique among things of its kind and this suggests that there really is more than a "vocal minority" that's upset about this. We've just got a poll that isn't as useful as we would like it to be.

[Meatus]

So, what I'm getting from this is that their storyboards were basically following the lines of indoctrination -- but they decided to cut out massive chunks of whatever complete ending they had already established, so that it would be as unrecognizable and vague as possible... and this was meant to be an innovative and creative ending? Because it answers literally NO questions whatsoever, because we "don't need to know"? Are you ****ing ****ting me?

While it's nice to know that the indoctrination theory wasn't "grasping straws" as most of us initially thought, I'm certainly wanting to ****ing grasp for any straws that I can right now that there's no possible way that Bioware wouldn't do this on purpose without SOMETHING planned. The ONLY thing that is keeping me from throwing my game into the garbage disposal right now is the possibility that Bioware will miraculously acquire enough business sense to continue the story to salvage whatever shred of integrity they can as an established dev company. Yes, this was the intended ending for Mass Effect 3, but perhaps not for the Mass Effect franchise. Yes, it was planned as a trilogy, but since we all know how money-grubbing they are now, I wouldn't rule out a Mass Effect 4, yet. This is the ONLY glimmer of hope that I'm able to hold onto right now. There's simply no way that they will let it end on this note, unless they truly have gone from the greatest game developers of all time, to the worst of all time, all over the course of 10 minutes, which I'm having such a hard time believing, even after all these idiotic rationales from Casey Hudson.

While I can't believe a single word they say now, I can only bank on their previous stated intentions to continue the story, and the vague hints they've been giving us to keep our ME3 saves "forever". If that's grasping straws, so be it. Anything but this, if their integrity as a company means anything to them at all, which I'm sure it does, despite their ass backwards methods of showing it. ANYTHING but this.

Modifié par Meatus, 16 mars 2012 - 03:53 .

[izmirtheastarach]

dreaming_raithe wrote...

She's actually right. The poll itself has a huge sampling bias.

 
A poll of CVG readers came up with 86% negative on the endings. And I have seen multiple poll on other sites as well, all in the 80s.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 16 mars 2012 - 03:50 .

[Roguekad]

fish of doom wrote...

MattFini wrote...

Well, they're all getting a bit more loose-lipped lately.

Leads me to believe we'll hear something early next week.

yeah, people forget they're under an NDA. they've mentioned "at the end of the month"
 more than once, so information might be gradually becoming available for sharing.

Why when I hear that `at the end of the mont' phrase do I feel like they're shooting for wither April 1 or PAX. If it's PAX I REALLY don't envy them the post-announcment backlash they're gonna weather the day or so before at the con.

[Duskfire]

Its true its a small sample, but on gaming forums everywhere people are discussing the bad ending. There are entire articles about it posted daily, as well as webcomics.Ive seen numerous facebook posts about it. So yeha, while the poll itself is a small sample, its pretty obvious to everyone really that the bad ending has effected a large amount of people.

[Asari]

Bantz wrote...

Raizon wrote...

Asari wrote...

why..destroy...something..so..perfect.. I honestly dont get you right now bioware, mass effect series were the best thing ever happend in gaming history, until the end of the last game.. unless you fix or patch the ending, make it better.. I have to say im done with bioware.

^ I totally agree

Did Bioware just commit franchise suicide with the Mass Effect series?
I mean..I..just don't get it...
I need to Shepard renegade punch something

i'm starting to think they thought they could leave it open for "speculation" and then have a ME4 or MMO and milk the franchise dry. Boy is that backfiring

Not sure if I ever want to play a bioware game after this, at least not if they're serious about the end of this triology..

[dreaming_raithe]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

^ A poll of CVG readers came up with 86% negative on the endings. And I have seen multiple poll on other sites as well, all in the 80s.

That's what you'd expect, given that a significant number of this community is voting on every poll they can find. The same general sampling errors exist for polls on other gaming sites as well, though they're going to be a bit more accurate because some readers will be from outside of that community. That's why polls on other sites tend to have the "dissatisfaction" option at a slightly lower percentage than the poll here. You get more people that aren't unhappy with things as they stand voting on them.

[dreaming_raithe]

Duskfire wrote...

Its true its a small sample, but on gaming forums everywhere people are discussing the bad ending. There are entire articles about it posted daily, as well as webcomics.Ive seen numerous facebook posts about it. So yeha, while the poll itself is a small sample, its pretty obvious to everyone really that the bad ending has effected a large amount of people.

It's not the size of the sample that's the problem. It's the pool from which the sample is drawn that's important.

[alterIncogn1T0]

Right now, I'm just holding out for ANY kind of response to the outcry for a new ending.

Even if we're told "Hey, this was the ending we chose for the trilogy and we're not changing it. GET OVER IT," I'd have a sense of closure to Shepard's story, and I'd be content to believe in my own imagination. But this constant "We're listening" and "Hold on to your saves!" is tearing me apart! I don't know what to believe, and I'm starting to think that this is all just an elaborate scheme to sell more DLC.

[Jsixgun]

Look at this twitter exchange:

@dee3eep: "Just saw what caused the BSN riot I guess I don't need my copy of ME3 anymore"

@Jessica Merizan: "?"

@JSixgun: "?" My response to that is "?!" He means the end is so inconsquential multiple run throughs are pointless.

@Jessica Merizan: "Sigh, think about the implications. They are not all the same. Maybe very High level but not all the same"

@JSixgun: "Thats our problem though. We can see implications of color choices just fine. NOT the implications of the rest of our actions"
@Dee3eep: "High level?" so I need another 4 years of college so I can comprehend this:www.youtube.com/watch"

@Jessica merizan: "Not going to argue about the cutscenes. If you can't see past those than there is really no point in discussing."

@JSixgun: We "can't see past those" bc Bioware didn't let us in the literal sense. Nor our 3 games worth of decisions."

@Jessica Merizan: "it also didn't show you everything that happened between ME2 & ME3 for instance...Shep's story has to end somewhere."

@JSixgun: If you feel like it's a good ending I respect your opinion. 90% of your fans or more don't. I'm with them. 

@Jessica Merizan: I totally respect that not everyone feels the same way, but I tihnk 90% is an arbitrary number.

@JSixgun: 'Sure if the results fo many of the polls conducted on your own forum and elsewhere by your fans you define as arbitrary"
@izmertheastarac: "I've also seen polls on multiple other sites, and the number's have never been below 80%"
@izmertheastarac: "is it? its based on the most popular poll in BSN's history. It may not reflect the number's exactly but it's not "arbitrary"

It keeps going but thats enough. Denial, deflect, denial. Take a look at it for yourself and you be the judge. And Bioware wonder's we we feel like they are out of touch?

[Wattoes]

Hudson isn't sure where the series goes next, but he's pretty confident that he never wants to tell any stories that take place in a post-Shepard era. "Whatever we do would likely happen before or during the events of Mass Effect 3, not after," he suggests.

Why would I want to go back in time?
a) I already know what happens
I know it leads up to mass effect 3's ending, so why do I care?

The future is the only place to go.

[Roguekad]

Duskfire wrote...

Its true its a small sample, but on gaming forums everywhere people are discussing the bad ending. There are entire articles about it posted daily, as well as webcomics.Ive seen numerous facebook posts about it. So yeha, while the poll itself is a small sample, its pretty obvious to everyone really that the bad ending has effected a large amount of people.

Let not forget that all this is generating a TON of free press for them too. I'd be really suprised if we weren't heading a ME version of Keyser Söze.

[terdferguson123]

I'm a bit confused by all the backlash from people saying that "our choices didn't matter!" Did you guys play the game? If you convinced the Geth to go with you into battle... guess what they showed up to battle with you, that was the consequence of your choice... Why is that so hard for you to grasp? Your choices are reflected in what types of soldiers you have with you in the final battle as well as your war assets. Your choices are not reflected at the end of the game simply because they ALREADY produced the consequences of the choice. Thats what the 95% of the game leading up to the conflict was...

I'm gonna be honest, 90% of you sound like entitled brats. What is honestly so wrong with the ending? The game is all about thinking your way through situations, so why shouldn't the ending be left up to let the player wonder what happened? That's really the best way to end it instead of setting things in stone. Are you all so imaginately dampened that you can't think for yourself what may have happened after the battle?

Modifié par terdferguson123, 16 mars 2012 - 04:03 .

[Asari]

alterIncogn1T0 wrote...

Right now, I'm just holding out for ANY kind of response to the outcry for a new ending.

Even if we're told "Hey, this was the ending we chose for the trilogy and we're not changing it. GET OVER IT," I'd have a sense of closure to Shepard's story, and I'd be content to believe in my own imagination. But this constant "We're listening" and "Hold on to your saves!" is tearing me apart! I don't know what to believe, and I'm starting to think that this is all just an elaborate scheme to sell more DLC.

This. I really hope they will patch the ending.

[Esker02]

terdferguson123 wrote...

I'm gonna be honest, 90% of you sound like entitled brats. The game and ending were fine, the fact that I came away with it perfectly satisfied is proof that it's not as terrible as you all are making it out to be.

So the fact that you were satisfied is proof that the opinions of roughly, let's be generous, 80% of the fanbase are misguided? Yeah, I suppose it could be proof of that. Or it could be proof of the fact that you're one of the 20% that actually didn't mind it.

Which do you think is more likely, if I may ask?

[Bantz]

ya we'er supposed to "see beyond" what happened at the end of a cut scene that was vague and confusing and use that to head cannon the rescue of our friends. OK!!

[Asari]

terdferguson123 wrote...

I'm a bit confused by all the backlash from people saying that "our choices didn't matter!" Did you guys play the game? If you convinced the Geth to go with you into battle... guess what they showed up to battle with you, that was the consequence of your choice... Why is that so hard for you to grasp? Your choices are reflected in what types of soldiers you have with you in the final battle as well as your war assets. Your choices are not reflected at the end of the game simply because they ALREADY produced the consequences of the choice. Thats what the 95% of the game leading up to the conflict was...

I'm gonna be honest, 90% of you sound like entitled brats. The game and ending were fine, the fact that I came away with it perfectly satisfied is proof that it's not as terrible as you all are making it out to be.

Did you watch this?

 

[elm]

terdferguson123 wrote...

I'm a bit confused by all the backlash from people saying that "our choices didn't matter!" Did you guys play the game? If you convinced the Geth to go with you into battle... guess what they showed up to battle with you, that was the consequence of your choice... Why is that so hard for you to grasp? Your choices are reflected in what types of soldiers you have with you in the final battle as well as your war assets.

I'm gonna be honest, 90% of you sound like entitled brats. The game and ending were fine, the fact that I came away with it perfectly satisfied is proof that it's not as terrible as you all are making it out to be.

But where was my Krogan riding kakliosaurs??? I made a choice for that, but i didnt see them anywhere. What about the Citadel Defense Force, its proven completely useless. Half of your choices are negated throughout the game and i for sure dont feel entitled to anything. I just wanted a decent ending that Bioware themselves stated wasnt "A, B, or C."

[VelvetStraitjacket]

Yeah, Jessica is pretty much telling us to headcanon stuff lol. If we wanted to headcanon things, especially something as important as the ending, why would we bother to pay them $60 when we could just imagine the whole story as we want it, for free?
This is all getting very frustrating, annoying and downright insulting.

[viperabyss]

jakecollette wrote...


It keeps going but thats enough. Denial, deflect, denial. Take a look at it for yourself and you be the judge. And Bioware wonder's we we feel like they are out of touch?

I wonder what she meant by "implications". A brave new world? If that was the theme to the ending, the execution, as well as the way they chose to tell was quite horrid.

[viperabyss]

Wattoes wrote...

Hudson isn't sure where the series goes next, but he's pretty confident that he never wants to tell any stories that take place in a post-Shepard era. "Whatever we do would likely happen before or during the events of Mass Effect 3, not after," he suggests.

Why would I want to go back in time?
a) I already know what happens
I know it leads up to mass effect 3's ending, so why do I care?

The future is the only place to go.

Well, given the fact that Hudson gave us the exact opposite of what he said he won't do, so maybe we should take it in the same fashion?

Hudson: I'm pretty confident we won't tell any story that take place in a post-Shepard era.

What he really meant: I'm pretty confident that telling any story that takes place in a post-Shepard era is the only way to go.

[terdferguson123]

Asari wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

I'm a bit confused by all the backlash from people saying that "our choices didn't matter!" Did you guys play the game? If you convinced the Geth to go with you into battle... guess what they showed up to battle with you, that was the consequence of your choice... Why is that so hard for you to grasp? Your choices are reflected in what types of soldiers you have with you in the final battle as well as your war assets. Your choices are not reflected at the end of the game simply because they ALREADY produced the consequences of the choice. Thats what the 95% of the game leading up to the conflict was...

I'm gonna be honest, 90% of you sound like entitled brats. The game and ending were fine, the fact that I came away with it perfectly satisfied is proof that it's not as terrible as you all are making it out to be.

Did you watch this?

 

Yes, I have seen this, and it's exactly what I'm talking about, entitled brat, seriously if I met that guy in real life I would tell him to shut up because he's annoying and he seems like a jerk. Very similar to a lot of other posters who are demanding new endings and all this other garbage. The choices you make DO in fact have consequences as I have said. Now, use your own brain to think about what happened with the plot holes. I'm sure you guys can do that. Oh look, the loud and obnoxious have a hard time using their imaginations. Surprise. Surprise.

Modifié par terdferguson123, 16 mars 2012 - 04:10 .

[Fledgey]

PsychoHitsPeach wrote...

Yeah, Jessica is pretty much telling us to headcanon stuff lol. If we wanted to headcanon things, especially something as important as the ending, why would we bother to pay them $60 when we could just imagine the whole story as we want it, for free?
This is all getting very frustrating, annoying and downright insulting.

She keeps asserting that having the same cutscenes doesn't make it the same ending. Just because the implications can be different in a player's imagination, I guess? I think that's bull****. That breaks trust, because we've never been asked to make up a portion of the game before. Up to now we've seen/read everything and what isn't directly presented to us is in the codex. Why is it fair to take out a portion of a game to leave it up to interpretation at that point?

I want to see what happens to the galaxy. I want to see the implications of my choices. I want to see the future of these characters. Leaving it up to interpretation is laziness in the Nth degree. It makes it so they can say "well did you think about it hard enough?" rather than having to direct cutscenes or write some more code.

It doesn't count for **** because we don't see it happen. I can headcanon all day but does it matter? Does it really matter?

Modifié par Fledgey, 16 mars 2012 - 04:11 .