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[Shunt Mcblunt]

The difference in this game and every other game is at the End you were moved to not destroy the Reapers because you were afraid you might die or your Allies would.

There is a Term for that. SHEEPLE.

You were afraid that others would get hurt by what you do and say that you played Politically Correct through out the game. Anderson life did not matter providing Reapers died like he said. Even if the Geth died and EDI would they be worth it to save everyone else? Or do think you can be a Guy controlling several KILLING MACHINES. Or even worse give in to them and make the Universe Reapers (Synthesis).

The graphics really did not matter after the final choice bacause does it ever really matter. Most people skip the ending anyway because it the ending and after see it once it the same as seeing it in any color you want.

It simple does society control you, do you do follow what society wants, or do you say Screw it I live my life how I choose and shoot the dame plug which was stupid - would have been funnier if they gave us a Switch too throw that powers down the reapers and Mass Relays.

Modifié par Shunt Mcblunt, 16 mars 2012 - 08:09 .

[SCJ90]

Allright so many of the theories went straight out the window sure.... but BW have been saying that "If you know what we where planning you would be more possitive" or something like that. I mean their not completly clueless are they? They have seen the fallout of this ending (not endings) and they must adress it, not with multiplayer map packs and new charachters but with some story dlc that makes a damn diffrence or they will lose a HUGH ***** chunk of their fanbase

Modifié par SCJ90, 16 mars 2012 - 08:26 .

[recentio]

Shunt Mcblunt wrote...

The difference in this game and every other game is at the End you were moved to not destroy the Reapers because you were afraid you might die or your Allies would.

There is a Term for that. SHEEPLE.

You were afraid that others would get hurt by what you do and say that you played Politically Correct through out the game. Anderson life did not matter providing Reapers died like he said. Even if the Geth died and EDI would they be worth it to save everyone else? Or do think you can be a Guy controlling several KILLING MACHINES. Or even worse give in to them and make the Universe Reapers (Synthesis).

The graphics really did not matter after the final choice bacause does it ever really matter. Most people skip the ending anyway because it the ending and after see it once it the same as seeing it in any color you want.

It simple does society control you, do you do follow what society wants, or do you say Screw it I live my life how I choose and shoot the dame plug which was stupid - would have been funnier if they gave us a Switch too throw that powers down the reapers and Mass Relays.

I'm not quite sure what you're saying. Is a player a "sheep" before or during the final choice?

For myself, I betrayed the Krogan and shot Mordin in the back. Pretty sure that's not doing what society wants... So, confirmation for Not A Sheep throughout the game. I did whatever I wanted.

In the ending, on the other hand, I was force-fed three equally revolting choices by the divine Reaper god who for some reason I was not able to defy in any way. I just had to swallow his "Sythetics are evil." dogma without question. Talk about turning into a sheep! I could do nothing but obey. It was wretched to have a philosophy--that I peronsally disagree with!--forced upon me by an all-mighty supercharacter in the final scene. So, confirmation for A Sheep during the final "choice." I could only do what godling wanted. 

Modifié par recentio, 16 mars 2012 - 08:30 .

[recentio]

SCJ90 wrote...

Allright so many of the theories went straight out the window sure.... but BW have been saying that "If you know what we where planning you would be more possitive" or something like that. I mean their not completly clueless are they? They have seen the fallout of this ending (not endings) and they must adress it, not with multiplayer map packs and new charachters but with some story dlc that makes a damn diffrence or they will lose a HUGH ***** chunk of their fanbase

They also said we'd find the ending "satisfying." Are they a little out of touch, perhaps?

Modifié par recentio, 16 mars 2012 - 08:28 .

[RobinEJ]

These endings (or rather ending) totally destroyed this entire loving series for me! If this is how they actually end the series, then I'm never playing any ME game because I'll always remember that &%@* ending. How Bioware could make such stupid endings? It's SHAME.

[SCJ90]

recentio wrote...

SCJ90 wrote...

Allright so many of the theories went straight out the window sure.... but BW have been saying that "If you know what we where planning you would be more possitive" or something like that. I mean their not completly clueless are they? They have seen the fallout of this ending (not endings) and they must adress it, not with multiplayer map packs and new charachters but with some story dlc that makes a damn diffrence or they will lose a HUGH ***** chunk of their fanbase

They also said we'd find the ending "satisfying." Are they a little out of touch, perhaps?

Well... fair enough.... sigh il just go home and cry now......

[recentio]

SCJ90 wrote...

recentio wrote...

SCJ90 wrote...

Allright so many of the theories went straight out the window sure.... but BW have been saying that "If you know what we where planning you would be more possitive" or something like that. I mean their not completly clueless are they? They have seen the fallout of this ending (not endings) and they must adress it, not with multiplayer map packs and new charachters but with some story dlc that makes a damn diffrence or they will lose a HUGH ***** chunk of their fanbase

They also said we'd find the ending "satisfying." Are they a little out of touch, perhaps?

Well... fair enough.... sigh il just go home and cry now......

Just because they weren't originally planning an Ending DLC doesn't mean they won't change their minds. Have faith in the movement! If we can show them that it would be a good business choice to expand the ending, they may very well decide to do it, regardless of not planning it beforehand. There's still hope!

[SCJ90]

Yeah i know but BW and EA are companies, they want money and they have to solve this before it gets out of hand. They need to do something now not in 6 months because then they will have lost all confidance that we have. The reason that this forum is so active right now is becaus we care.... if nothing has happend in 6 months this board will be dead

[kongenial]

Repent! The End is naught!

Well, they actually accomplished it. In a unbelievable aberration of self belief they managed to distort their fanbase and rendered the whole saga into a sad piece of rubble.

Well done. *clap clap clap*

Modifié par kongenial, 16 mars 2012 - 08:42 .

[isig]

Indeed, they acomplished the impossible somehow.. because it takes a special kind of talent to effectively ruin a series as good as this one was..  and they did it in one fell swoop.

Wow, just wow, Bioware.

[xXxZODIACxXx]

This was the image I had in my head when I started to read this.

bioware employee walks into the room, "Okay it seems the indoctrination theory people made up is giving us some time to come up with something, luckily nobody knows we don't have anything planed."

Mass effect 3 the final hours app is on sale

bioware employee, ".......crap"

[HrznKn]

I want a different ending as much as everyone here, and i agree they dropped the ball bigtime,
but can we stop asking for people to lose their jobs over this? I know you are upset but seriously, it damages our cause.

Modifié par HrznKn, 16 mars 2012 - 09:11 .

[Pikku Shinto]

xXxZODIACxXx wrote...

This was the image I had in my head when I started to read this.

bioware employee walks into the room, "Okay it seems the indoctrination theory people made up is giving us some time to come up with something, luckily nobody knows we don't have anything planed."

Mass effect 3 the final hours app is on sale

bioware employee, ".......crap"

Sounds about right, lol.

[cabbagered]

So they didn't really know what to do with the series, decided to play it off as being mysterious, and then told as much.

"Hey, everyone! I have this box and there is something awesome inside. The box is empty. Can you guess what's inside?"

What exactly are we supposed to be speculating about?

[kegNeggs]

this saddens me. I was hoping there'd be some closure, because an end like this reduces replayability to almost 0. which is a damned shame for a game as awesome as mass effect (3!)

[Mersey]

They actually believe they have done something really smart and awesome in regards to the endings....delusional

[devSin]

recentio wrote...

They also said we'd find the ending "satisfying." Are they a little out of touch, perhaps?

A little? I think they'd have to be on a whole other planet to believe this disjointed, unintelligible, imaginary sequence of events they refer to as an ending would be "satisfying".

Frankly, I think we're screwed, and that means the series is screwed for us as well.

[BouncyTEM]

Almost zero? This has reduced it to zero for me. What's the point? Full paragon, full renegade, paragade, renegon, indifferent, incompetent, no matter how you played it, it'll all come down to the same three choices ultimately, all because of war assets. In a few cases, it might not even be three, or even two.

I only brought in one character into ME3. I think it's going to remain that way. It pains me so much to say that.

[Dae0]

BouncyTEM wrote...

Almost zero? This has reduced it to zero for me. What's the point? Full paragon, full renegade, paragade, renegon, indifferent, incompetent, no matter how you played it, it'll all come down to the same three choices ultimately, all because of war assets. In a few cases, it might not even be three, or even two.

I only brought in one character into ME3. I think it's going to remain that way. It pains me so much to say that.

this^

[uDoh]

This sounds like it would have a been a great app to purchase. But since Bioware "adapated" the endings to one ending and ruined most of the ME universe, not buying it.

[devSin]

BouncyTEM wrote...

I only brought in one character into ME3. I think it's going to remain that way. It pains me so much to say that.

Same situation here.

I was able to work in recent playthroughs of ME and ME2, and I had planned to go back through the whole trilogy at some point after playing ME3, but I no longer really have interest in any of it. I was looking forward to it too.

Modifié par devSin, 16 mars 2012 - 09:45 .

[uDoh]

It also seems to show that Bioware really had no idea about their "target audience", if they expected us to just say "Ok, coloured endings and things that don't make sense, that's a COOL idea."

Modifié par uDoh, 16 mars 2012 - 09:49 .

[justlogme]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Capeo wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Would like for someone to point out to me why the indoctrination theory is off the table.

Uh, the script matches the endings.  There is no mention of idoctrination in the script.  The game tells you outright that you defeated the Reapers no matter the ending.  The epilogue tells you outright that you defeated the Reapers no matter the ending.  They state in this (and in prior interviews) that there will be no DLC that takes place after the ending.  The longer scenes they cut clearly show no indoctrination.  They say they dropped the idea of Reapers taking physical control, which BTW is NOT indoctrination, because TIM takes control of you and Anderson in the script and in the game and you are not indoctrinated.  It's just space magic that break when you kill TIM.

This is it.  These are the endings as they intended them.

the piece of paper was 1) old and 2) cryptic on purpose

as if they'd allow a piece of paper that explained the endings completely to be released to the press

they want "speculation," which is exactly what the indoctrination theory is

they took the idea of the reapers taking control of shepard off the table because of mechanics, not because of their story decisions

still not disproved

 Stop, really just stop. Even if they released some weird indoctrination DLC tomorrow which they won't. This stunt would still have lost them thousands of customers and gained them a bad rep for forcing players to buy a ending. Do you really think they be willing to lose that much over some stupid DLC ening gimmick?

[Cirrusstrafe]

BouncyTEM wrote...

Almost zero? This has reduced it to zero for me. What's the point? Full paragon, full renegade, paragade, renegon, indifferent, incompetent, no matter how you played it, it'll all come down to the same three choices ultimately, all because of war assets. In a few cases, it might not even be three, or even two.

I only brought in one character into ME3. I think it's going to remain that way. It pains me so much to say that.

This is how I felt.

Who cares what you did in 1, 2, 3.  Did you kill/save X?  Don' matter.  We have a replacement NPC!

Everything got whittled down to war assets.  Everything got diluted to universe saving points.

Have enough universe saving points?  Grats, you get all 3 endings!

I get that ME3 was our culmination.  It was our play out of our choices.  Still though...

My decision to save the Geth OR Quarians OR Both should not be based on "does it give me more universe savey points?"

The entire War Assets thing was a huge mistake.  It caused my choices to be goverend by math, not by story outcome.

Paragon, renegade,  paragade, renegon, indifferent or incompetent, as long as I got enough universe saving points, I could pick any ending I wanted.  That is too much choice.

I get that paragonagadamurdersavior choices ultimately affect the sate of our personal universe at the time of the ending.  I really do.  My paragon shep saved everyone he could, made as few sacrifices as possible.  My renegade shep killed everyone that stopped him from saving the Earth, and in the end just blew away anyone that even gave him pause.  This caused my para-universe to play out in a wildly different fashion than my rene-universe, until the endings hit.  The lack of any falling action, the lack of any really direct and distinct resolution that ties the endings to the state of our universe, causes it all to feel the same regardless of what we did to get there.  That is what I think they completely missed.

And, honestly, in a medium in which we pay a great deal extra than books/movies so we can be a part of the universe and story, saying our endings would all be "unique, rich and deep" because we all had different universe states post-cinematic that would be left to the imagination and we could discuss the implications of our universes' future with our friends' totally different future seems like a cop-out (though a well intentioned one, really).  They wanted us to have rich and interesting discussions with our friends and other people about "our ME3 story," but we didn't ask for that.  We're playing video games because we don't want it left to the imagination; at least, not that bloody much.

Tell me how my story, the one I crafted since I made my character's face in ME1, ends.  Don't tell me how the end begins and then make me "figure out the rest" on my own.

Modifié par Cirrusstrafe, 16 mars 2012 - 09:56 .

[nightshadeofvoid]

On Deciding the End of the Game
The illusive man boss fight had been scrapped... but there was still much debate. 'One night walters scribbled down some thought on various ways the game could end with the line "Lots of speculation for Everyone!" at the bottom of the page.'

^ this... how could anyone on a triple A game staff at any level think this would be a good way to end a trilogy of games based on choices and the consequences there of. I cant even fathom this!