hell in synergy you dont even do anything to the reapers. nothings stopping them from starting the cycle over again.
they just noticed everyone getting cyberized so they're like "well i guess we can take a break and see how this turns out, if we dont like it we'll just start killing everyone again, i mean they already wasted their super weapon giving themselves stupid green eyes rofl"
why synthesis is the best ending (sadly)
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#27
Posté 15 mars 2012 - 05:40
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if you stay to the premise that the Synthetic versus organic apocalypse war is inevitabile synthes solve this without deleting all the 50k years of past history. While the other two sooner or later will need the good reapers to take care for the best of all galaxy.
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Posté 15 mars 2012 - 05:41
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[quote]Zolt51 wrote...
[quote]PKchu wrote...
I've come to the conclusion you basically have been forced to be evil no matter what.[/quote]
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OK, what exactly do you find "evil" about the "Control" ending, please? It's not my favorite choice but it's the least morally "risky" option. Also did you mind the choice on Tuchanka? Cos both options were pretty evil too.
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Not only are you being a hypocrite and controlling a species, but you are blindly hoping that in 50k years all the races will be able to fight off the reapers yet again. So you are basically defering your responsibility to those others in the future. Not only that, but what makes you think Shepard won't eventually see things the way the catalyst does.
And you keep assuming that everybody is going to be happy that they are part synthetic now. Assuming that is dumb and I bet you there will be as much trouble with that option eventually, but due to different reasons. If anything EDI and the Geth show that there is a possibility that synthetics and organics can eventually work together and it isn't so obvious that the synthetic will always wipe out the organic.
[quote]PKchu wrote...
I've come to the conclusion you basically have been forced to be evil no matter what.[/quote]
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OK, what exactly do you find "evil" about the "Control" ending, please? It's not my favorite choice but it's the least morally "risky" option. Also did you mind the choice on Tuchanka? Cos both options were pretty evil too.
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Not only are you being a hypocrite and controlling a species, but you are blindly hoping that in 50k years all the races will be able to fight off the reapers yet again. So you are basically defering your responsibility to those others in the future. Not only that, but what makes you think Shepard won't eventually see things the way the catalyst does.
And you keep assuming that everybody is going to be happy that they are part synthetic now. Assuming that is dumb and I bet you there will be as much trouble with that option eventually, but due to different reasons. If anything EDI and the Geth show that there is a possibility that synthetics and organics can eventually work together and it isn't so obvious that the synthetic will always wipe out the organic.
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#29
Posté 15 mars 2012 - 05:42
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All three endings are nonsensical:
1) Control - this option "totally destroys Shepard, all that he is, but you control the Reapers" - nonsensical - if "you" are totally destroyed, there is no "you" to control anything.
2) Destruction - wipes out *all* synthetics (including the Geth and EDI) - in this ending, you have just become the reapers except that now the "solution" is that one destroys all synthetics instead of all organics. Both nonsensical because the Geth and EDI disprove the premise that synthetics and organics cannot exist and one consistent theme throughout the game is that Shepard wins by promoting cooperation.
3) Synthesis - nonsensical - this could only be considered to be a 'solution' to the organic/synthetic conflict if somehow the synthesis makes all sentient life 'equal'. But even after this vague, magical transformation has been enacted, there is clearly a distinction between organics (such as Joker) and synthetics (such as EDI). Nor does this approach prevent the creation of new, pure synthetics (this was the god-child's argument against 'destruction' - destroying the synthetics now does not stop them from being recreated - well, neither does 'synthesis'). So how does altering the very nature of all sentient life (without their consent) stop the "inevitable war" between differing life forms?
No, the only conclusion that is sensible and even remotely ethical is to either:
a) Destroy the reapers - they have no discernable culture or purpose in existence other than to be tools of the god-child to destroy organics every 50K years in the a horrendously brutal and horrific manner. They don't even try to find other solutions or given anyone the opportunity to "just get along".
separate the reapers and organics - with the tech that the reapers apparently have, they could easily just go someplace else that the organics cannot reach. No more problems. Let the organics muddle along on their own - they can't reach the reapers to cause them any problems. Not sure what the reapers do with their time as they don't seem to have any hobbies that I can discern, but perhaps they can take up robotic professional wrestling. But in any event, mass destruction of sentient life is avoided.
1) Control - this option "totally destroys Shepard, all that he is, but you control the Reapers" - nonsensical - if "you" are totally destroyed, there is no "you" to control anything.
2) Destruction - wipes out *all* synthetics (including the Geth and EDI) - in this ending, you have just become the reapers except that now the "solution" is that one destroys all synthetics instead of all organics. Both nonsensical because the Geth and EDI disprove the premise that synthetics and organics cannot exist and one consistent theme throughout the game is that Shepard wins by promoting cooperation.
3) Synthesis - nonsensical - this could only be considered to be a 'solution' to the organic/synthetic conflict if somehow the synthesis makes all sentient life 'equal'. But even after this vague, magical transformation has been enacted, there is clearly a distinction between organics (such as Joker) and synthetics (such as EDI). Nor does this approach prevent the creation of new, pure synthetics (this was the god-child's argument against 'destruction' - destroying the synthetics now does not stop them from being recreated - well, neither does 'synthesis'). So how does altering the very nature of all sentient life (without their consent) stop the "inevitable war" between differing life forms?
No, the only conclusion that is sensible and even remotely ethical is to either:
a) Destroy the reapers - they have no discernable culture or purpose in existence other than to be tools of the god-child to destroy organics every 50K years in the a horrendously brutal and horrific manner. They don't even try to find other solutions or given anyone the opportunity to "just get along".
separate the reapers and organics - with the tech that the reapers apparently have, they could easily just go someplace else that the organics cannot reach. No more problems. Let the organics muddle along on their own - they can't reach the reapers to cause them any problems. Not sure what the reapers do with their time as they don't seem to have any hobbies that I can discern, but perhaps they can take up robotic professional wrestling. But in any event, mass destruction of sentient life is avoided.
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Posté 15 mars 2012 - 05:43
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Reapers survive as the dominant species in the galaxy. Terrible ending.
#31
Posté 15 mars 2012 - 05:44
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Rostand82 wrote...
if you stay to the premise that the Synthetic versus organic apocalypse war is inevitabile synthes solve this without deleting all the 50k years of past history. While the other two sooner or later will need the good reapers to take care for the best of all galaxy.
No it doesn't.
What stops these hybrids from making robots with AI that eventually overthrow them and exterminate them?
Tell me.
#32
Posté 15 mars 2012 - 05:49
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leapingmonkeys wrote...
All three endings are nonsensical:
1) Control - this option "totally destroys Shepard, all that he is, but you control the Reapers" - nonsensical - if "you" are totally destroyed, there is no "you" to control anything.
2) Destruction - wipes out *all* synthetics (including the Geth and EDI) - in this ending, you have just become the reapers except that now the "solution" is that one destroys all synthetics instead of all organics. Both nonsensical because the Geth and EDI disprove the premise that synthetics and organics cannot exist and one consistent theme throughout the game is that Shepard wins by promoting cooperation.
3) Synthesis - nonsensical - this could only be considered to be a 'solution' to the organic/synthetic conflict if somehow the synthesis makes all sentient life 'equal'. But even after this vague, magical transformation has been enacted, there is clearly a distinction between organics (such as Joker) and synthetics (such as EDI). Nor does this approach prevent the creation of new, pure synthetics (this was the god-child's argument against 'destruction' - destroying the synthetics now does not stop them from being recreated - well, neither does 'synthesis'). So how does altering the very nature of all sentient life (without their consent) stop the "inevitable war" between differing life forms?
No, the only conclusion that is sensible and even remotely ethical is to either:
a) Destroy the reapers - they have no discernable culture or purpose in existence other than to be tools of the god-child to destroy organics every 50K years in the a horrendously brutal and horrific manner. They don't even try to find other solutions or given anyone the opportunity to "just get along".
Well, that statement the Catalyst makes about the control ending is kinda vague. "Loose everything you have." Could mean any number of thigns, from "Shepard sends the reapers back to dark space, but doesn't remain in control afterwards" to "no Shepard, you are the reapers" to "You will die, and, just so you know, you will die." to "You can't do my job biatch! You're gonna screw everything uuuuup!"
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#33
Posté 15 mars 2012 - 05:55
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Synthesis makes no sense.
EDI is synthetic. She is affected by the synthesis ending. However, most of EDI is in the Normandy, the body is just something she uses to interact with the world. So, is the Normandy now part organic? Same thing for geth ships, geth armatures and YMIR mechs.
The Reapers are already part organic. They're organics melted down and amalgamated into a synthetic shell. They already embody synthesis. Why would the green light change them?
Shepard forces every thing in the galaxy to become either part synthetic or part organic, whether they want that or not. What's that random person, you'd rather die than be part synthetic? Too bad for you.
EDI is synthetic. She is affected by the synthesis ending. However, most of EDI is in the Normandy, the body is just something she uses to interact with the world. So, is the Normandy now part organic? Same thing for geth ships, geth armatures and YMIR mechs.
The Reapers are already part organic. They're organics melted down and amalgamated into a synthetic shell. They already embody synthesis. Why would the green light change them?
Shepard forces every thing in the galaxy to become either part synthetic or part organic, whether they want that or not. What's that random person, you'd rather die than be part synthetic? Too bad for you.
#34
Posté 15 mars 2012 - 06:01
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only gurantee of peace is killing the reapers, starchild never says that you can control them or that synthesis will work, he purposedly avoids responding to shepard's question "will there be peace"
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Posté 15 mars 2012 - 06:09
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Exactly if everything that is synthetic is now organic WTF ISN'T ALIVE NOW then? I mean synthetics are made of metals and circuitry are the metals alive? Are raw nodes of iron now alive? I mean wtf.LookingGlass93 wrote...
Synthesis makes no sense.
EDI is synthetic. She is affected by the synthesis ending. However, most of EDI is in the Normandy, the body is just something she uses to interact with the world. So, is the Normandy now part organic? Same thing for geth ships, geth armatures and YMIR mechs.
The Reapers are already part organic. They're organics melted down and amalgamated into a synthetic shell. They already embody synthesis. Why would the green light change them?
Shepard forces every thing in the galaxy to become either part synthetic or part organic, whether they want that or not. What's that random person, you'd rather die than be part synthetic? Too bad for you.
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Posté 15 mars 2012 - 07:37
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Except plants are now part synthetic. Plants.
Therefore, toasters are now part organic.
Therefore, toasters are now part organic.
