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[Yazenia]

i know human noble can but noone mentions anything about mages so far.  is it possible?

[Recidiva]

Big no. Sorry. Alistair broke my heart, the racist, classist bastard. Oh yeah, he already knows he's a bastard. *sigh*

[Serenity84]

I think there is a way to stay with him as his mistress.

[Yazenia]

well that simply sucks big time. i guess i will need to reroll as a noble then

[Original182]

Like Connor, even if you were born a human noble, you would lose it all if you're a mage.

With no "nobility" to vouch for you, it would be impossible to consider you as royalty.

[Malkut]

The only way is to start a human noble game and then respec yourself as a mage.

[Recidiva]

Serenity84 wrote...

I think there is a way to stay with him as his mistress.

Yes, if your cunning and coercion are high enough, and if you've toughened up his personality, you have a chance after Landsmeet to convince him to keep the relationship going.

After the epilogue if you're both still alive he'll say he can't wait to meet you upstairs later.

I chose to be his chancellor and we were inseperable in the final write-up, which apparently made Queen Anora very uncomfortable.  I was okay with that.  ****!

[Yazenia]

they should have added a male mage companion to romance females. (jowan comes to mind, that blood mage in the tower)



is it possible to have Alistair give up the throne and stay with you instead? i can live without the crown but would be hard to do so for my char without alistair.

[Valilith]

I was wondering ... how can you tough Alistair's personality ? If I do (regarding dialog), it's -5 :/ ... I heard about his sister, regarding the dialog after the meeting. Is it the only place ? Many thanks

[ReubenLiew]

Yes pick anora to be queen instead.

[Recidiva]

Yazenia wrote...

they should have added a male mage companion to romance females. (jowan comes to mind, that blood mage in the tower)

is it possible to have Alistair give up the throne and stay with you instead? i can live without the crown but would be hard to do so for my char without alistair.

Oh yeah.  If you support Anora at the Landsmeet, you can stay together. 

[Recidiva]

Valilith wrote...

I was wondering ... how can you tough Alistair's personality ? If I do (regarding dialog), it's -5 :/ ... I heard about his sister, regarding the dialog after the meeting. Is it the only place ? Many thanks

Get Alistair's personal quest to go meet his sister.  Then later tell him "Everyone's out for themselves, you should learn that"

He'll bring it up again later in conversation, don't back down and say "I didn't mean that!"

Support his decision to toughen up and think more for himself, and you've got a brand new Alistair.  Less romantic, more opinionated.  And willing to have a three-way with Sophie, become king, and keep a mistress on the side.

[Yorenec]

It's not that hard to stay on as his concubine. It requires max coercion/persuade(which is ALWAYS the first thing you should max in a Bioware game, no exceptions) and like 25 or so cunning I think. It's easy to get 25 cunning if you start pumping into it towards the end of the game when other stats become less important.

It's funny how many people want him to step down from the throne just to stay with him.
You realize your character won't be able to enjoy being with him when Ferelden is overrun by the Qunari or Orlesians due to Anora's total incompetence as a military/wartime leader right?

To clarify on Recidiva's post since it looks like they made a typo, you're supposed to say anything but "I didn't mean that!".

EDIT: After originally making this post, I thought of something else and I did some testing to satiate a curiosity I had.
The results seem to be that for some reason, if you are female human noble and you put him on the throne by himself, it's impossible to be his concubine on the side. Granted, considering the other option,  doing this on a serious save is for lack of a better word, retarded, but it's funny that Bioware seemingly didn't even consider this as an option.

Maybe it's possible, but I chose the same dialogue options as non-female human noble would in order to make it happen, yet it never came up. Interesting.

Modifié par Yorenec, 28 novembre 2009 - 07:49 .

[Hunter246]

Only happy ending with a non noble female is to be Alister bit on the side after convincing him and hardening him.

Modifié par Hunter246, 28 novembre 2009 - 07:40 .

[Malkut]

Yorenec wrote...

It's funny how many people want him to step down from the throne just to stay with him.

Of course, I thought the opposite.  It's funny how many people want to force him on the throne against his will, so that they can become queen.

[Recidiva]

Yorenec wrote...

It's not that hard to stay on as his concubine. It requires max coercion/persuade(which is ALWAYS the first thing you should max in a Bioware game, no exceptions) and like 25 or so cunning I think. It's easy to get 25 cunning if you start pumping into it towards the end of the game when other stats become less important.

It's funny how many people want him to step down from the throne just to stay with him.
You realize your character won't be able to enjoy being with him when Ferelden is overrun by the Qunari or Orlesians due to Anora's total incompetence as a military/wartime leader right?

To clarify on Recidiva's post since it looks like they made a typo, you're supposed to say anything but "I didn't mean that!".

Right, DON'T say "I didn't mean that!" - if it's not clear.  That's what I meant by saying don't back down and say that.  You need to confirm that he needs to think more for himself.  Say anything BUT that.

It's kind of tricky to navigate all the choices, and it's possible to NOT pick the right options that lead up to the persuade option to tell Alistair "Being King is not a punishment" and have him stay with you after Landsmeet.  But it's possible to do if he's hardened and you have those requirements.  Just SAVE before the landsmeet and replay if necessary.  I lucked out the first time, but screwed it up the second time and had to reset.

One thing that was entirely anticlimactic was replaying my second game as a human noble, persuading him to keep me as Queen and having him only say "Good choice."

That's IT?  THAT'S IT?  60 hours for THAT?  Son of a...

[Recidiva]

Of course, I thought the opposite.  It's funny how many people want to force him on the throne against his will, so that they can become queen.

He's so insanely wishy washy though.  There's a point where you say "I need to talk to Alistair" and you ask him what he wants and he says "I don't want to be king!  Don't make me king!" and then when you say "Are you sure?:"  He says "No!  Don't make Anora king, make me king, she betrayed us!"

So it's very hard to get a real read on what he wants until AFTER it's done and he blames you for whatever it is that you did.

Hardened personality is easier.  

[Yorenec]

Malkut wrote...

Of course, I thought the opposite.  It's funny how many people want to force him on the throne against his will, so that they can become queen.

Except if you harden him, he's actually content with being king, after the landsmeet when he's had time to think about it, he becomes appreciative of it.. There's no logical reasoning for not hardening him, seeing as his personality change is 100% for the better.

[Endurium]

It's the same tactic Loghain used on Maric in the Throne novel; hardening him to prepare him for being king.

[Malkut]

Endurium wrote...

It's the same tactic Loghain used on Maric in the Throne novel; hardening him to prepare him for being king.

Loghain didn't intend to marry him and become queen.  Although, he would look funny in a wedding dress.

[Hunter246]

Loghain deserved to die he too old anyway

[syllogi]

In my playthrough where I hardened Alistair, I allowed him to duel (and behead) Loghain. I thought it was interesting that you aren't even given a choice at that point to spare Loghain, after leaving it in Alistair's hands. Then, when Eamon asks me to be an impartial (not that I am, admittedly) arbiter, I asked Alistair if he wanted this. Yes, he wanted to be king, no, he did not want Anora to be queen, and he felt that he would be a better ruler than Anora in any case. That was good enough for me, I had entertained leaviing the kingdom to Anora if it would make Alistair miserable to be king, but he did want it at that point. And I didn't know at the time that she would have refused to marry him, but that would have just been down right cruel.

[Ulyn]

Having dug around with this a bit, what you actually do is get him to think about his own interests, rather than just "independently," as "think for yourself" usually means.  It's a bit more... unpleasant? than hardening Leliana, which seems more like getting her to stop living illusions of quasi-nunhood.

The distinction is interesting, and important, if you do things the way I did - spare Logain to avoid killing yourself or Alistair, and get him to marry Anora and become king so that he doesn't wind up a sad wreck because of Logain's joining the Wardens.

I was kind of puzzled as to how "teaching selfishness" was the key to getting Alistair to act "responsibly" when he was deeply upset - but in my case, it made sense in that he didn't act "responsibly" in marrying Anora, he parsed it as his looking out for himself since I was backstabbing him - "Screw you, then, I'm leaving the Wardens to be King!"

In the epilogue scene, and also the end-text, that's softened quite a bit, and it's certainly better to have him be an excellent king rather than a drunk, or dead, or unwed parent of Dragon Age 2's supervillain, imo.

[Endurium]

Don't worry about that too much; Bioware typically doesn't carry over anything we've done into a new game or new episode. I'm sure Morrigan will give birth to a child regardless of what we choose at the end of the current game installment, because that's what Bioware wants. Just like starting BG2 with the party they wanted, rather than the one we actually traveled with in BG1.



I admit it feels better though, to send Morrigan packing and let Loghain redeem himself. Dark magic just can't be trusted.

[Hunter246]

does hardened Alister forgive you in the end if you let loghain live and make him marry anora i just wondering or do i have to find out lol?