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[SarEnyaDor]

Forgive is a stong word ... he *says* he's not angry... but his tone is a bit snarky for me to believe that.

[Hunter246]

he should'nt be mad if loghain dies to demon thats justice served isn't Alister all about justice

[SarEnyaDor]

Well, Loghain dies a hero's death and Anora wants to erect a great big statue of him so it's sort of like rubbing Alistair's nose in it. I'm only letting Loghain come with me so I can have him eaten for my last achievement, then I'm going back to playing the "right" way. LOL

[Kailieann]

There's a mod that lets you be queen, regardless of your background:
http://www.dragonage.../file.php?id=74

There's one for male characters, too.
Er, that lets you be king, that is. No mods to let your male character be a queen, yet. Sorry.

Modifié par Kailieann, 28 novembre 2009 - 09:14 .

[Yorenec]

I wouldn't say forgive, but he does tell you good luck and basically says he understands why you did it.

Personally, after going through EVERY possible route you can take at the Landsmeet and exploring what happens afterwards, I can say without a doubt that hardened Alistair is a much better person, and better ruler, than Anora.

Anora just cries and cries and cries and basically says "NO, YOU'RE BEING UNREASONABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and throws a tantrum cause she doesn't get her way.

Alistair cries too, but he at least generally wishes you luck afterwards and says he's going to make the best of it to try and do as much good for Ferelden as he can.

Modifié par Yorenec, 28 novembre 2009 - 09:24 .

[Malkut]

It's really not a mod at all; it's a series of instructions on how to give your character the human noble background in the toolset.

If you do it right before the Landsmeet, it shouldn't really matter, but I'd be concerned if you were also going for a race/background-dependent ending of some sort, as well.

Oh, and Anora "throws a tantrum" because she thinks that she's likely headed for the chopping block.

Modifié par Malkut, 28 novembre 2009 - 09:22 .

[Serenity84]

SarEnyaDor wrote...
Forgive is a stong word ... he *says* he's not angry... but his tone is a bit snarky for me to believe that.

I thought he'd storm off never to be seen again? Or does he just leave your party and return for the celebrations later?

[SarEnyaDor]

It depends on a couple of things, if he's the king he's around, if he's not he's not around at the end.

[Hunter246]

Thats the part the end after the battle will he like talk to you at least or be a baby about it after loghain kill himself to demon.

[Yorenec]

Malkut wrote...

Oh, and Anora "throws a tantrum" because she thinks that she's likely headed for the chopping block.

If you make Anora queen, spare Loghain and let her execute Alistair, he doesn't really throw a tantrum. He takes it like a man(if hardened anyway). It's actually quite similar to Loghain's "execution".

Anora is on the verge of tears and incoherent yelling.

Anyway, I can't say that I have a save for "post-coronation" where I spared Loghain and made Alistair rule alone or with Anora. I have one for directly after the Landsmeet, but quite frankly I don't feel like running through the final battle right now just to find out.

Maybe later, there's other scenarios I'm testing I'm right now.

I think he is around, just can't remember what he tells you.

[Hunter246]

I will find this out now then lol naked Alister at landsmeet lol very noble

[Raltar]

Does Loghain say anything special if you spare him, but sacrifice yourself? I think I'm gonna try that next play.

[SarEnyaDor]

Why, oh why would you die and let Loghain live????

[Hunter246]

I'm just finding out endings thats all

[Raltar]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Why, oh why would you die and let Loghain live????

Just to see what happens.  Plus, I find it really hard to hate Loghain, dispite all the bad he does.  Simon Templeman's voice work is just so incredibly awesome, I can't hate him.  I just can't.

[SarEnyaDor]

I can. LOL. But I'm a bad, bad woman.

[Yorenec]

Raltar wrote...

Just to see what happens.  Plus, I find it really hard to hate Loghain, dispite all the bad he does.  Simon Templeman's voice work is just so incredibly awesome, I can't hate him.  I just can't.

What he said. I don't really hate Loghain either, he genuinely thought he was doing the right thing and loved his country. He just went about it in a really retarded way.

The only characters I truly despise are Uldred, Anora and Harrowmont. Uldred because he's plain evil, Anora because she's incredibly power hungry, throws tantrums and is utterly inept at running a country in wartime. Harrowmont is because he's so blindly wrapped up in tradition and overall stupidity that he doesn't realize he's driving his people into an extremely deep hole.  The difference between him and Loghain is that Loghain had good reason to be paranoid of the Orleasians, Harrowmont is just a blind idiot whose almost as power hungry as Anora.

Modifié par Yorenec, 28 novembre 2009 - 10:15 .

[fkirenicus]

Kailieann wrote...
No mods to let your male character be a queen, yet. Sorry.

I think one male queen (Alistair) is enough, no?

[Raltar]

I mean, Loghain didn't really do anything to me. He left the field of battle, sure. But I didn't really know anyone down there. Duncan, but I barely met him and had little connection to him. And I guess you can say Loghain sent assassins after you, but that was more Howe's doing. Loghain basically grunts when Howe suggests assassins. All Loghain wanted to do was keep Ferelden safe by any means necessary. I can't really fault him for that.

[SarEnyaDor]

Hmph. I'm of the mind that Loghain had my human noble family killed, or at least made a deal with the snake who did it that he'd look the other way. Played the noble the first and the most, just can't see him as anything other than a man so obsessed with Orlais that he betrayed everything he once was... just like Branka did.

[Hunter246]

he left you for dead too remember this he can't be forgiven

[Raltar]

It is difficult to understand his apparent paranoia with Orlais because you weren't there(even alive) when Orlais occupied Ferelden. He was. He experienced it first hand. It's difficult to let that sort of thing go when he lived the nightmare. I don't think Loghain had anything to do with Howe murdering the human noble's family, however. That was all 100% Howe, as far as I can tell.

[Hunter246]

I just want to experience all endings

[Hunter246]

also i have in my party now i find him very rude hurry up he says good job hell die to demon

[Joie de Combat]

Raltar wrote...

I don't think Loghain had anything to do with Howe murdering the human noble's family, however. That was all 100% Howe, as far as I can tell.

Mm, maybe, but at the very least, if you're playing a human noble, Loghain can't possibly be unaware of Howe's actions - since you and Duncan report Howe's betrayal of the Couslands upon you arrival in Ostagar - and he not only acknowledges Howe as teyrn of Highever, but also makes him arl of Denerim and generally trusts him.
So at the very least, Loghain condones what Howe did to your family. It's very possible that, just like how he paid Jowan to poison Arl Eamon, Loghain supported Howe's takeover of Highever so that Teyrn Bryce wouldn't be around to oppose him.

Modifié par Joie de Combat, 28 novembre 2009 - 10:55 .