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[Cosmochyck]

This is for ALL the ME2 romances!

Most seemed to just simply lack content. The temporary nature of the presence in the story is primarily responsible for this, but there is really no reason that the relationships couldn't have continued from a distance using the QEC's or emails. Imagine, after every major mission, Shepard received an email from the LI, or even had conversations through vids.
Their absence from the squad and roles in ME3 could have been far better appreciated if the characters hadn't effectively vanished from the narrative entirely. All the romances could be improved on if there was simply more time to talk to the LI.

Please feel free to discuss on this thread, and perhaps we can get DLCs or an expansion with more of our favorite loves!
There is a poll here!

And there is a Facebook group to further the cause! 

Thane: The romance scene lasted no length, then he died and no one, not even Shepard, mourned or mentioned him afterwards save Kai-Leng.  There were teasers in ME2 about a possible cure and viable lung transplant, but neither were explored.

Jack:  After Grissom academy, the Purgatory encounter was too short, too focused on the possibility of breaking up, and generally insufficient- same goes for the holo conversation.

Jacob: Character assassination, woefully inadequate confrontation, no resolution, ridiculous conversation on the Citadel where Jacob's writer assumed that Shepards who romanced him wanted to hear that he's having a baby with
someone else and was going to name it after her. Also, auto-dialogue, "I'm happy for you. Really."

Miranda: Like Jacob and Thane, appearance from ME2 virtually unchanged. Romance dialogue centered
around an issue that had been wholly resolved in ME2.

Samara: Only one line varies between a Shepard that attempted to romance Samara, and one that didn't. Kelly Chambers got more than Samara did; and that attempted romanced with Samara still feels unresolved,
especially given her reaction after nearly-kissing Shepard in ME2.

Modifié par Cosmochyck, 19 mars 2012 - 08:34 .

[Daicotje]

Well I'm in, I honestly feel that most of the ME2 characters got bad treatment... I mean after all you went through to gain their loyalty etc...?

[Visii]

Cosmochyck had the idea. I helped with a few of the romance grievances; Jack from my one, aborted playthrough and Thane from what little I saw from YouTube. My information about the others came from YouTube and reading the threads.

If people have more to add (I don't know if I touched on the basic things people had issues with, with Miranda) please go ahead and post.

Oh, and, Support! I keep hearing on most of the other threads that, EVERYTHING about ME3 was great up until the endings. And while nearly all of us are in accord about the endings... it's simply not true that all the ME2 LI cameos were done well.

Modifié par Visii, 15 mars 2012 - 08:08 .

[coldwetn0se]

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[cg8900]

agreed

[Daicotje]

Visii wrote...

Cosmochyck had the idea. I helped with a few of the romance grievances Jack from my 1, aborted playthrough and Thane from the other, from what little I saw while playing and then what I got from looking at youtube and going through the threads. If people have more to add (I don't know if I touched on the basic things people had issues with, with Miranda) please go ahead and post.

Oh, and, Support! I keep hearing on most of the other threads that, EVERYTHING about ME3 was great up until the endings. And while nearly all of us are in accord about the endings... it's simply not true that all the ME2 LI cameos were done well.

Honestly I think A LOT was wrong with ME3, but the M2 LIs and the ending were just the worst part. I could've forgiven the rest if at least the end and ALL romances were great...

[mnomaha]

Exactly! All this.

[Cosmochyck]

coldwetn0se wrote...

Stamp of approval. Want!

LOVE your sig!!  Not Mr. Kepr Al - well done!

Nothing like defining someone by their disease....lovely.<_<

[Raizo]

Isn't it a bit late for this topic. Having said that I agree with you. I loved ME2's squad and even though most of ME3's squad is okay I really miss the gang from ME2.

As for the romances, it goes without saying that all the ME2 romances ( well except for Tali and Garrus ) got shafted in ME3.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I Want MORE With Miri<3! She Is My ONLY LI In Mass Effect<3!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 15 mars 2012 - 08:21 .

[Visii]

Raizo wrote...

Isn't it a bit late for this topic. Having said that I agree with you. I loved ME2's squad and even though most of ME3's squad is okay I really miss the gang from ME2.

As for the romances, it goes without saying that all the ME2 romances ( well except for Tali and Garrus ) got shafted in ME3.

I think not.

People protested before the game came out when people raised concerns because, "it was just an outdated script, wait till the full game comes out!". And here we are.

[coldwetn0se]

I put this up on the Protesting Thane's Poor Romance thread, but thought it would fit in nicely here.  Maybe other ME2 'mancers (Jacobmancer's, Jackmancer's, ect...) can add their own lists to this thread.  Hope I'm not stepping on your toes Cosmo.....let me know if I'm out of line.

So I thought I would put up a new wish list.
*Note: I admit to having little to no belief that these things will happen, but......take it as you will.

Reasonable changes to Thane romance (IMHO)

1) Picture of Thane in Shep's cabin.

2) Fix of animated/graphic issues with hand holding and kissing (especially the interupt kiss. Mine was really wonky.)

3) Give us the damn Paramour Achievement. It could be triggered simply by choosing the "private time" option. Who cares if someone wants to get together with Kaiden or one of the ladies later. Their choice, and it shouldn't negate those that wish to stay true to Thane. And honestly, if I remeber correctly, the cheevo doesn't state specifically who you were with when you got it. (admit I could be wrong on that, but again, who cares....)

4) Give us another letter from say Kolyat or the VS in regards to our involvement with Thane. I figure this at least would be something to indicate that others saw our relationship with him, and give us a moment to believe that others care about Thane's passing. I say letter since it would probably be to difficult to add in new dialogue scenes. Throw us a bone.

5) Give us the proper flashback.....no default to LIARA! How hard would it be to throw in a couple of old stills from ME2 for god sakes. If need be, this community could easily provide them.....sheesh!

6) Add back any/all cut scenes (if any are to be had) involving Thane. More screen time please!

7) Codex Entry!!!! Silly that that wasn't even there.


As for somewhat unreasonable (but still wanted) wishes, I of course would love the following, but know there isn't a chance in purgatory of them happening.

1) New thoughtful dialogue from Shep. More options so we can properly role play our Shepards (she ain't mine anymore)

2) Get Thane on the Normandy. Preferred if he stayed, of course, but even a visit.

3) OPTION to extend Thane's life and keep him alive even after fight with Kai Leng.

4) Actual dialogue scenes with sqadmates in regards to relationship with Thane and should he die, his death.

Again, I don't believe we will get any of this, but I think keeping our wish lists alive on this thread, may point out exactly what they could have done to honor a well loved ROMANCE character. (emphasising the romance part since so many people think we are crazy for not likely his death scene and all.....)

That is all for now......thoughts?

*Edit*
Added #7 to Reasonable List

Modifié par coldwetn0se, 16 mars 2012 - 01:40 .

[coldwetn0se]

Cosmochyck wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

Stamp of approval. Want!

LOVE your sig!!  Not Mr. Kepr Al - well done!

Nothing like defining someone by their disease....lovely.<_<

 Thanks!

[Saodade]

All this just show to me that they had already decided that our chars will end with kaidan ashley or liara from me1 t or tali and garrus from ME2 . I think very strongly thatthey have not reconducted all the teams for mass effect3 so they just pushed on the chars of the staying team and just giv a resume go to the other ones. Im' pissed of actually cause I feel like they have just played with they have cheated on me: sold me something on promises that none are in when I actually put my hands on it... Imagine the autor of Harry potter book who announce 3 years ago the end of the story and when you grab your book and open it at last, you see a harry potter picture and 3 lines: GEE that was epic ! The end...

For me selling something on false description and promise is robery.

When my shepard have been yelled at by kaidan Moronko, on horizon she closed her heart to him forever. I didn't miss any opportunity to put his nose in poop each time i could. And I'm positive that, even if she had survived and ended on a desert planet with just him to rebuilt mankind, she would condemn the mankind . She would rather EAT him, like her baby krogan would, than letting him close to her anymore. Even if my shepard had been a man I would have not wanted him...

Thane was the only one (with garrus on another save) that my shep could rely on concerning death dealing.
He was the only one who ever SAID and did take care of her and not awaited on her for model himself.
Thane said he would fight for protect her with every part of his being and he actually did. Why not saving him?
They allowed us to believe in last minute miracles.
Like Grunt getting out of the rachni cave blood covered and smug...
Like Garrus being saved from a skud in the face ...Like our shepard after sovereign pieces falling on her in citadel...
Like her being remade after her shattered body by cerberus technology...
Since lot of them joined back with her after seeing the madness of the trouble man, why not using them to heal thane?
Why not his son taking him real fast to hanarland and make them experiment their cure on him?
Why not letting Shepard have him till the final battle like those who dated Garrus or Tali ?
Garrus is awesome but why give me a Thane to choose if I can't get the same chance?
Why playing with our hearts ?
Do you think being heartbroken will stimulate us to spend money on dlc?
I actually stopped to play ME3 to play mass effect2 and try to ignore the nightmare ;(
But I can not, I have the scene of Thane death always in front of me, to the point my husband actually felt sad for me and apologised for giving me this game...

Modifié par Saodade, 16 mars 2012 - 10:30 .

[Cosmochyck]

I agree Saodade!

I'm not sure why the ME1 squaddies were shoved down everyone's throats. Especially when those on the PS3 would only have been able to join the ME universe at ME2 - they have no vested interest in those from ME1.

And ME2 was so fantastic!!

[the_red_one1223]

*supports*

Also anyone remember this: http://gamergal.devi...anner-196320815

Bioware even told the person in the picture that they're hanging it up. HANGING...THE PICTURE...OF EVERYONE...WANTING A CURE FOR THANE. You know, EXPECTING THAT WE COULD SAVE HIM IN ME3. Not the bullcrap we got in ME3.

[Premier Bromanov]

A writer came in to the Samara thread to say that there is an acknowledgement by Samara of the ME2 "almost-romance", but it doesn't always trigger.  Maybe it's buggy.  In this acknowledgement, Samara takes Shepard's hand, and says that he should spend the time that he has left with the people he cares about.  You'd be SOL if that person happens to be Samara.

I just didn't get enough of Jack in ME3.  I understand that Jack is primarily concerned with the safety of her students, and that makes sense, because she's so proud of them (see that cut conversation between Jack and her students). Why does her interest in Shepard seem so detached and physical only, though?  You could attribute it to Jack being scared of losing Shepard, and so she's distancing herself from him, but why does silence have to suffice when expression would remove all doubt?  We know that Jack's VA is wonderful at expression emotion.  And the holo-conversation with Jack?  You could mistake that for friendship dialogue, if Shepard didn't say "Love you, too, Jack" at the end.

The Jack and Samara romances just seem incomplete, like there's something missing, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 15 mars 2012 - 08:41 .

[Cosmochyck]

the_red_one1223 wrote...

*supports*

Also anyone remember this: http://gamergal.devi...anner-196320815

Bioware even told the person in the picture that they're hanging it up. HANGING...THE PICTURE...OF EVERYONE...WANTING A CURE FOR THANE. You know, EXPECTING THAT WE COULD SAVE HIM IN ME3. Not the bullcrap we got in ME3.

Oh we remember - that's our very own hanar05!!  She just finished the game but hasn't reported anything yet. 

Nicely done BW

[10K]

Finally !! a thread that fights for all ME2 romances I've been waiting so long for this beautiful moment.
I fully support you guys. These romances need and must to be fixed!!

[Femmefatality07]

Cosmochyck wrote...

Jacob: Character assassination, woefully inadequate confrontation, no resolution, ridiculous conversation on the Citadel where Jacob's writer assumed that Shepards who romanced him wanted to hear that he's having a baby with
someone else and was going to name it after her. Also, auto-dialogue, "I'm happy for you. Really."

...It had to be the black guy...
Then Brynn sends you an email about Jacob chilling somewhere else and avoiding child support.

Jokes aside, I feel for you all who had ME 2 romances that were pretty much disintegrated into non-existence.

[coldwetn0se]

@Saodade - I too stopped playing the game. And, like you, my husband bought me the game as a present, and now HE TOO feels bad. He actually really liked watching me play.......he found the music relaxing.

[Julia_xo]

Dropping in to add my support. If we don't make ourselves heard then BioWare will think the sub-par way they handled the ME2 LIs is acceptable to us. Even if it changes nothing we need to let them know we aren't happy with the dismissive treatment these characters got.

[cg8900]

the only way you can have a good romance dialogue with miranda (I love you, I love you too) is by killing her.....yeah whats up with that

[Makaveli The Don]

I support this thread. It's like they didn't care at all.