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Little Vixen wrote...

I know this is a repeat from the Thane thread, but someone asked me to post this here as well.

How we could fix the storyline for Thane:

 
I have mainly written this for a love interest Shepard, but it could also be adapted for a friend Shepard. I wrote this as therapy for me, because I have been greatly pained at the treatment of Thane. I am sharing it with you in hopes that it will help my fellow Thanemancers and friends of Thane. I cannot hope to write the part as beautifully as Thane was done in Mass Effect 2, but I this is my humble try.
 
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Leave Kai Leng/Thane fight as is.
 
 
Leave Death scene as is, although, it if is possible to fix, have Shepard at least act like she is sad about Thane’s passing. LI Shepard should also get the chance to say she loves Thane.
 
Return to Normandy. Garrus or Liara or someone tries to comfort Shepard.
 
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New solution:
 
Shepard returns to Normandy. Goes to her cabin for a good cry and to reflect on Thane’s death. She finds a letter waiting for her from Feron. It simply says, “Shepard, meet me on the Citadel. Please hurry. It is important.”
 
***
 
Shepard goes to the Citadel and meets Feron.
 
Feron: “I have a message from Thane.”
 
Shepard: (distressed) “Just Stop!” (Slight pause – softly…) “Thane’s dead.”
 
Feron: “I still have a message from him and I …”
 
Shepard:(Shepard interupts with tears in her eyes) “What?!”
(Shepard looks away) “I don’t know that I can do this right now. Is it important? I suppose it is if Thane contacted you.”
(snippy tone) “What major emergency do I have to solve now when I can’t even think straight. I have lost two of my best friends in as many days.”
(regretfully) “Sorry, Feron, you didn’t deserve that.”
(Shepard looks apologetically at Feron.)
 
Feron: (looks at Shepard with feeling and states flatly)  “No, he is not.”
 
Shepard: (confused) “No, who….? What are you talking about, Feron?”
 
Thane steps from the Shadows slowly. His steps are unsure and obviously pained.
 
LI Shepard is shocked and bewildered but leaps into Thane’s arms and showers him with kisses. (Friend Shepard looks at Thane in amazement and smiles.)
 
Feron: “I will leave you two alone and go check on Liara. It has been too long since I have seen her anyway.” (Feron turns around and leaves.)
 
Thane: “Siha, (pause)…I see my presence in not unwelcome.” (Thane smiles at LI Shepard.)
 
Shepard: Am I dreaming? You’re dead. I was there, I saw you die.
 
Thane: (Deep Chuckle) “Siha, do you know how much irony is dripping from your lips at this moment? Shepard, you of all people should understand that the first death is not always the final chapter.”
 
Shepard: (weeping)“You came back to me?”
 
Thane: (With feeling) “Of course, Siha. You need me now.”
 
Shepard: (Confused) “But, I don’t understand how? How is this not a dream?”
 
Thane: (reasurring) “Let me try to explain as best I can for I do not understand it clearly myself. I told you in the hospital I was not as I was. I needed constant medical treatment, which is why I could not come with you. (pause) That was true. (deep breath) I told you long ago that the Hanar had been working on adapting the Drell so that we would not succumb to Kepral’s Syndrome. The Hanar were further along than I had thought in their search for a cure. They had already started clinical trials. After you awoke me from my battle sleep, I told you that you had given me a reason to want to live. Using my contacts, I found out about the Hanar’s clinical trials. I was a perfect candidate because my disease was advanced enough that I didn’t qualify for any other treatment.”
 
Shepard: (slightly hurt) “Why didn’t you tell me?”
 
Thane: (pained) “Because, Siha, you have had enough in your life torn from your grasp. I did not want to give you a false hope. At the time you visited me in the hospital, the trial was not going well. I wasn’t responding to the treatment. I could not burden you with this truth. You have already lost so much and you need to be strong for the fight ahead. My first concern was for you. It is always for you.”
 
Shepard: “What changed? How can you be here now?”
 
Thane: “When that assassin stabbed me, I received a blood transfusion from my son Kolyat. While my cells were too weak to respond to the Hanar’s adaptive genetic code, Kolyat’s were not. I did die, Siha, for a time, but with the help of Kolyat’s blood and your love, my body started to respond to the treatment. I was sent back to you. I am weak, but I am whole again.”
 
Shepard: “Sent back to me? Thane, I don’t understand.”
 
Thane: “I will explain it further another time. For now, isn’t it enough that I have returned to you?”
 
Shepard: “Yes, of course.” (crying) “But, why didn’t anyone tell me? Why didn’t you notify me you were alive?
 
Thane: “Siha, the last thing in the world I would want to do is hurt you. But, like you, I wasn’t aware. I was dead for a time. Please, you of all people should understand this. Is this not the same reaction Kaidan/Ashley gave you on Horizon?” (Thane takes Shepard’s hands and draws her close, kissing her softly.)
 
Shepard:(teasing) “Oh, it really is you.” (hopeful) “Can you come with me now?”
 
Thane: “Yes, Siha, I will never leave you alone again. Come, Shepard. Our light will continue in spite of the growing darkness.”
 
Shepard Embrace and Kiss (Thane becomes a party member with a +10% automatic shield bonus when he is in the party. Bonus called “Thane’s Protection.” Possible Thane powers, Throw, Pull and Warp.)
 
***
Adjustment to Scene on Thessia (Asari home world at the temple) and 2nd run in with Kai Leng.
 
-         If Thane is in the party, he charges after Kai Leng, and Kai Leng runs off at the end of the battle.
-         Thane: (angry) “I will not be such an easy mark this time.”
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-         If Thane is not in the party, he sends a message to Shepard, “He was there. I knew I should have accompanied you, Siha. Are you alright?”
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** *
 
Date Scene – Shepard and Thane finally get to visit that desert. (Even if it is a virtual desert on the Citadel.)
 
** *
Side Mission with Thane – Travel to Kahje help the Hanar to save the cure for the rest of the Drell. We now know it works and the Reapers do not want the Drell forces strengthened. A successful mission means that all Drell can now be cured of Kepral’s Syndrome and a war assest is gained.
 
** *
 
Love scene with Thane before big battle. Pillow talk afterwards.
 
 
Shepard: (loving looks at Thane) “Why did you say you were sent back to me?”
 
Thane: “Because I was across the sea. It is beautiful there, Shepard….(pause)
 
Shepard: (laughs and kisses Thane) “I don’t remember any thing from when I was dead.”
 
Thane: (with a knowing smile) “You will. When it is time. And, I will be there to guide you.” (Pause…with difficulty) “I saw Irikah while I was there.”
 
 
Shepard: (eyes wide looking at Thane) “Irikah?”
 
Thane: (comforting) “Siha, don’t be alarmed. I told you once that you were the second warrior angel I have had the privilege to know in my lifetime. My wife, Irikah was the first. “
 
Shepard: (slightly hurt) “You still miss her.”
 
Thane: (comforting) “Of course, I do. But, Shepard, while I was across the sea she gave me two gifts.”
 
Shepard: “I don’t understand.”
 
Thane: “Her first gift was her forgiveness to me.”
 
Shepard: (smiles) “And, her second gift?”
 
Thane: “It was for you, Siha. She gave her strength to you.”
 
Shepard: “I don’t know what to say. She must be a remarkable woman.”
 
Thane: “Siha, I have a weakness for remarkable women. It was her gift and her blessing. Now use it to help yourself stay strong in the face of total destruction.”
 
Shepard: “Are you okay?”
 
Thane: “Yes. She sent me back to you. You need my help and my love. I am your shield and my love for you is your protection. Use me. I will protect you with all that I am. I am here for you, Siha. Let me help you in anyway that I can.”
 
(Thane and Shepard embrace and kiss.)
 
** *
 
Adjustment to the last battle with Kai Leng.
 
If Thane is in the party – Thane delivers Kai Leng’s death blow.
 
If Thane is not in the party – Thane drops out of the ceiling and delivers the death blow.
 
Thane then starts praying over Kai Leng’s dead body.
 
Shepard: (snarky) “Seriously? You think this guy deserves a prayer? Killing him was a service to this galaxy. I don’t think anyone would expect you to ask for forgiveness for taking his life.”
 
Thane: “I am praying in thanks to him, Siha. If it hadn’t been for him fatally wounding me, and my subsequent need for a blood transfusion, I wouldn’t have been able to return to you. So, yes, he deserves a prayer. (Tenderly takes Shepard’s face and kisses her.)
 
** *
End Scene with the goodbyes:
 
Shepard: “Thane, I don’t think I can bear to lose you again. I love you too much.”
 
Thane: “Siha, whatever happens, know that I also love you. My love is your shield. And, should the worst come to pass, I will be waiting for you across the sea. Nothing will keep me from you. Not even death. (pause and a small laugh) Your death or mine.
 
(Passionate kiss)
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Thank you for reading through all this. It is my hope that it help sooth your hearts. It has helped me with mine. Thane is a worthy character to love and he deserved more in Mass Effect 3.


This is actually quite good. I would have liked this. Just reading it makes me all swoon-y. Nicely done.

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So trying to take stock of current wish lists. There are lists posted forThane, Samara, and Jack (I believe). Any Jacob, Miranda, Tali, or Garrus romancers want to add their lists? If you already have, and I missed it, please forgive me. Maybe at some point, we can consolidate them. I will start copy/pasting into a file to use for reference, unless anyone objects.

*EDIT* 

My bad, just went back through the thread and found some well put together lists for Jacob, and a bit for Tali.  I went ahead and copied all of the grievance lists/wish lists into a file.  Great thoughts and support everyone!  Thank you @Cosmo for starting this thread.Image IPB

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To be honest, I would have had the whole Jacob storyline scrapped and rewritten (in ME3).

- Have him off fighting Cerberus with Miranda, and give them BOTH a much larger role in that aspect. Give him a chance to shine, uplift him as a character instead of degrade him.

- Allow the romance to be rekindled, with some great/meaningful talks like we had with him in ME2.

- Give him a proper romance scene/bring him back onto the Normandy (even if it's temporary)

That's all I can think of for now. I'll ask ADLegend if they wanna add anything.


TBH, If I was holding the pen... I would have brought back every love interest as a squadmate.  Given them all proper and even treatment, so no one felt left out in the cold via the romance department.  I don't believe they realize how important that is to the fans, and how it can be a large part of enjoying the game.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 17 mars 2012 - 06:23 .


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Aislinn Trista wrote...

To be honest, I would have had the whole Jacob storyline scrapped and rewritten (in ME3).

- Have him off fighting Cerberus with Miranda, and give them BOTH a much larger role in that aspect. Give him a chance to shine, uplift him as a character instead of degrade him.

- Allow the romance to be rekindled, with some great/meaningful talks like we had with him in ME2.

- Give him a proper romance scene/bring him back onto the Normandy (even if it's temporary)

That's all I can think of for now. I'll ask ADLegend if they wanna add anything.


Excellent....and agree.  Will add to the list!

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Aislinn Trista wrote...

TBH, If I was holding the pen... I would have brought back every love interest as a squadmate.  Given them all proper and even treatment, so no one felt left out in the cold via the romance department.  I don't believe they realize how important that is to the fans, and how it can be a large part of enjoying the game.


This so much!!

I know for sure my sister will have a much better experience from her game than me, because she romanced Garrus. And while I'm happy for her, I still wonder why it must be different for people who romanced a ME2 character...

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Aislinn Trista wrote...

To be honest, I would have had the whole Jacob storyline scrapped and rewritten (in ME3).

- Have him off fighting Cerberus with Miranda, and give them BOTH a much larger role in that aspect. Give him a chance to shine, uplift him as a character instead of degrade him.

- Allow the romance to be rekindled, with some great/meaningful talks like we had with him in ME2.

- Give him a proper romance scene/bring him back onto the Normandy (even if it's temporary)

That's all I can think of for now. I'll ask ADLegend if they wanna add anything.


TBH, If I was holding the pen... I would have brought back every love interest as a squadmate.  Given them all proper and even treatment, so no one felt left out in the cold via the romance department.  I don't believe they realize how important that is to the fans, and how it can be a large part of enjoying the game.

 I will add one thing to the list:

-a change of outfit, instead of just taking the Cerberus logo off his ME2 outfit (same for Miranda)

other than that Ais covered everything.Image IPB

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Quick question, I've heard something about Samara reacting in ME3 if you tried to romance her in ME2. Is this true?

I am curious. XD

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I hadn't seen that, but then again I didn't try to romance her with the playthroughs I have in ME3, I must see!

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Aislinn Trista wrote...

Quick question, I've heard something about Samara reacting in ME3 if you tried to romance her in ME2. Is this true?

I am curious. XD


Haven't tried to romance her, but I've heard more than one person talk about it. So unless they are lying I suppose it's true ;)

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coldwetn0se wrote...

@squeegee - LOVE the motivational pic.....pure Renegade, Baby!! :)


oh absolutely... all the way! :)

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Squeegee83 wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

@squeegee - LOVE the motivational pic.....pure Renegade, Baby!! :)


oh absolutely... all the way! :)


I second that!  How did I miss that this morning??  SO AWESOME.  

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I believe @Visii and @gearseffect have both tried this with Samara, and all she says is something about Shepard should spend time with the ones he/she loves. ugh!

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I have tweeted Jessica Merizan with this thread link - and to not forget the LIs from ME2!

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Perhaps there could be DLCs like LotSB that can be plugged into the main adventure and allow Shepard to continue a relationship like one could with Liara. Extra content with specialized portions for romances that need not totally redo the main game.

I agree that having Miranda and Jacob running around in Cerberus uniforms (ESPECIALLY ON THE CITADEL) is just the epitome of dumb. At least Jacob noticed that "people are looking at [him] funny." No! REALLY?

As for Thane maybe Bioware could have a DLC you have to play BEFORE he dies OR feature a lot of flashbacks of Shepard and him spending time together in moments outside of ME2 and ME3. And an imaginary conversation like Hawke could with a dead Leandra in DA2.

Anybody wishing for a total rewrite of the game are likely to have their hopes dashed though.

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Aislinn Trista wrote...

Quick question, I've heard something about Samara reacting in ME3 if you tried to romance her in ME2. Is this true?

I am curious. XD


My BF had a Shepard who was turned down by her in ME2 and he got a scene where she tells him to make sure he spends time with those he cares about before the end. I did not get that scene when I met her. I am not sure if that counts or if it was just the because of different dialog choses I made in that part of the game.

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Yeah I was hoping for Tali to get a little more screentime this time in the romance scene. But no, still as short as the first time. I feel like Bioware just through the old romances in here just so they could say they were there. Even in ME2 I felt cheated that not every romance option got the same treatment.

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Squad banter for Thane I came up with at work:

Shepard
:  *sounds a bit out of breath*  Hey, Thane, wait up!
Thane:  My apologies, Siha.
Shepard:  *surprised*  You really are feeling better, aren't you?
Thane:  *slight chuckle* I suppose I am.
Shepard:  *seductive tone*  You know, I'm not 100% convinced.  When we get back to the Normandy, you should give me a full demonstration.
Thane:  *amused*  It would be my pleasure, Siha.
James:  Man, you sure don't waste time... do you, Cobra?
Thane: *confused*  ... Cobra?
Shepard:  *exasperated*  He's got this thing for nicknames, just roll with it.
Thane:  I see.
James:  What?  You're not the only one who can come up with nicknames.  What the hell does 'See-ha' mean, anyways?
Thane:  *irritated*  Siha is one of the warrior-angels of Arashu, goddess of motherhood and protection.  It is a term of endearment and respect.
James:  Pretty it up all you want, Cobra, but it's still a nickname.
Thane:  Hmmph.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 18 mars 2012 - 12:46 .


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I just finished ME3 and Miranda was my LI. I didn't romance Liara or Ashley in ME1 (left Ashley to die).

What a disappointment... my final contact with her was just some lame QEC convo and the initial reunion in the game was equally terrible (she might as well have not even been a LI for all that convo was concerned).

What a letdown!

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I feel bad for all the me2 love interests. There should have been a picture of them in the cabin and at some point in the game, they should have been brought aboard the Normandy. Bioware got some of the stories so right (mordin, legion, wrex, even thane for the ones who didn't romance him) but then got these stories so wrong. I even think Miranda was handled ok but the lack of a new costume, not having a proper romance scene (really hooking up in a random apt? classy) but to not be able to be on the Normandy and not even have a picture of her? Weird.

That being said, they would have probably used a Getty image for it. Ok, that was a cheap shot but sometimes the truth can be brutal n'est pas?

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posting this on several threads...

Since there's been talk of people wearing green bracelets for Thane (I don't remember which topic it was exactly) I've been looking at some possibilities. I've found one company that seems to have a good price for those nifty silicone ones, but the big question is : how many people would want one? The lowest number I can get is 50 and the price/piece would be around 1,5$ (calculated from € since I live in Europe). If we can push the number to 100 the price would be less than 1$.
If we're going to do this I need to know that I won't be left with 80 bands, My arms are too short to wear them all!

I could also order different colors for different LI's, but I need to at least order 50 of each color... So if you can get that number it's okay, but 50 is still quite a lot.

So anyone still interested?


Edit : Here's a link to a picture with some examples: shop.allpremiums.nl/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/i/siliconen_polsbandjes_bedrukt.jpg

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I'm posting the link to the facebook page again - if anyone has anywhere they think we can get more support, please feel free to add the link!!


THIS IS THE FACEBOOK PAGE FOR THE ME2 ROMANCES IN ME3!!

The more I play ME2, the more angry I get.  SO many of those characters were just slaughtered in ME3, on a writing level and in some cases, literally. 

And so many inconsistencies!  Argh - just so frustrating!  And getting no response or vague responses on tweets etc. is just annoying.

Not to mention gameinformer just posted yesterday that BW has hinted at DLC for multiplayer soon??? 

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Aislinn Trista wrote...

To be honest, I would have had the whole Jacob storyline scrapped and rewritten (in ME3).

- Have him off fighting Cerberus with Miranda, and give them BOTH a much larger role in that aspect. Give him a chance to shine, uplift him as a character instead of degrade him.

- Allow the romance to be rekindled, with some great/meaningful talks like we had with him in ME2.

- Give him a proper romance scene/bring him back onto the Normandy (even if it's temporary)

That's all I can think of for now. I'll ask ADLegend if they wanna add anything.


TBH, If I was holding the pen... I would have brought back every love interest as a squadmate.  Given them all proper and even treatment, so no one felt left out in the cold via the romance department.  I don't believe they realize how important that is to the fans, and how it can be a large part of enjoying the game.


I love this   =)    it sounds great!

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Cosmochyck wrote...

I'm posting the link to the facebook page again - if anyone has anywhere they think we can get more support, please feel free to add the link!!


THIS IS THE FACEBOOK PAGE FOR THE ME2 ROMANCES IN ME3!!

The more I play ME2, the more angry I get.  SO many of those characters were just slaughtered in ME3, on a writing level and in some cases, literally. 

And so many inconsistencies!  Argh - just so frustrating!  And getting no response or vague responses on tweets etc. is just annoying.

Not to mention gameinformer just posted yesterday that BW has hinted at DLC for multiplayer soon??? 


You can bring yourself to go back and play ME2?

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I would be interested in bracelets, though.

Modifié par Visii, 18 mars 2012 - 01:37 .


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Visii wrote...

Cosmochyck wrote...

I'm posting the link to the facebook page again - if anyone has anywhere they think we can get more support, please feel free to add the link!!


THIS IS THE FACEBOOK PAGE FOR THE ME2 ROMANCES IN ME3!!

The more I play ME2, the more angry I get.  SO many of those characters were just slaughtered in ME3, on a writing level and in some cases, literally. 

And so many inconsistencies!  Argh - just so frustrating!  And getting no response or vague responses on tweets etc. is just annoying.

Not to mention gameinformer just posted yesterday that BW has hinted at DLC for multiplayer soon??? 


You can bring yourself to go back and play ME2?

*snips pic*


I would be interested in bracelets, though.


I have 2 unfinished PTs, and I'm doing it for SCIENCE.  SCIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEENNNNNNNCCCCCCEE.:whistle:

And who's kidding who - I MISS THANE!:wub:

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I'm just really hoping I can get to the point where I can play ME and ME2 again. I think I have said this before, but that's how badly I have been thrown for a loop. I can't unsee what I've seen....damnitttt!