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Take Back the Love! Better ME2 Romances in ME3
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#152
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 08:50
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Visii wrote...
Remember everyone, we have a facebook page, please like and post on it!
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Make your voice clear! You haven't any right to complain later if you did everything you could!
Just lighting it up!!
And please feel free to submit your art and opinions on that page!! And any other great ideas you may have for voices to be heard!
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 09:04
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ENorman94 wrote...
why is this thread not bigger!?!?
I think many people are more upset about the ending right now than what they did to the ME2 LI's. I'm upset about both and I can't forget what they have done to the LI's. But if a new ending is made, then more people will realize that they are still missing their ME2 LI in the end
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 09:20
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I was just disappointed that Harbringer didn't finally go ahead and admit his passionate love towards Shepard. Instead he just gave the silent treatment the whole time.
"I KNOW YOU FEEL THIS."
Reapers, why must you be tsundere towards the organics?!
"I KNOW YOU FEEL THIS."
Reapers, why must you be tsundere towards the organics?!
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#157
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 10:24
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Cosmochyck wrote...
This is for ALL the ME2 romances!
Most seemed to just simply lack content. The temporary nature of the presence in the story is primarily responsible for this, but there is really no reason that the relationships couldn't have continued from a distance using the QEC's or emails. Imagine, after every major mission, Shepard received an email from the LI, or even had conversations through vids.
Their absence from the squad and roles in ME3 could have been far better appreciated if the characters hadn't effectively vanished from the narrative entirely. All the romances could be improved on if there was simply more time to talk to the LI.
Please feel free to discuss on this thread, and perhaps we can get DLCs or an expansion with more of our favorite loves!
Thane: The romance scene lasted no length, then he died and no one, not even Shepard, mourned or mentioned him afterwards save Kai-Leng. There were teasers in ME2 about a possible cure and viable lung transplant, but neither were explored.
Jack: After Grissom academy, the Purgatory encounter was too short, too focused on the possibility of breaking up, and generally insufficient- same goes for the holo conversation.
Jacob: Character assassination, woefully inadequate confrontation, no resolution, ridiculous conversation on the Citadel where Jacob's writer assumed that Shepards who romanced him wanted to hear that he's having a baby with
someone else and was going to name it after her. Also, auto-dialogue, "I'm happy for you. Really."
Miranda: Like Jacob and Thane, appearance from ME2 virtually unchanged. Romance dialogue centered
around an issue that had been wholly resolved in ME2.
Samara: Only one line varies between a Shepard that attempted to romance Samara, and one that didn't. Kelly Chambers got more than Samara did; and that attempted romanced with Samara still feels unresolved,
especially given her reaction after nearly-kissing Shepard in ME2.
And there is a Facebook group to further the cause! WE HAVE 170 LIKES - LET'S MAKE IT 200+
i agree 100%, every ME2 romance got shafted in ME3
#158
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 10:33
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ENorman94 wrote...
why is this thread not bigger!?!?
My thoughts exactly! Spread the word in any of the ME2 LI threads you're in!!
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 10:38
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mayrabgood wrote...
ENorman94 wrote...
why is this thread not bigger!?!?
I think many people are more upset about the ending right now than what they did to the ME2 LI's. I'm upset about both and I can't forget what they have done to the LI's. But if a new ending is made, then more people will realize that they are still missing their ME2 LI in the end
Yup, what good would a happy ending be if Shep is bereaved, or on the rebound.
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:18
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i'm in! it was sad to see the characters who drove the story of ME2 disregarded.
#161
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 01:26
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Visii wrote...
Remember everyone, we have a facebook page, please like and post on it!
http://www.facebook....esInMassEffect3
Make your voice clear! You haven't any right to complain later if you did everything you could!
Jacob Swier likes this! and has comented a sh!t ton on this page and the retake ME3 page! I'm doing my part to rally others to us!
I'm trying not to p!ss off too many Miranda fans as that may just burn brigdes, but I can't help if I say what's true and that's that out of all the ME3 romances she got the best treatment.
I'm also going to toot my dang horn here and say that As far as I can tell I was the first person here to bring up Renigade interupt kissing Samara after saving her from the BW plague of suiciders!
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 01:33
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Cosmochyck wrote...
ENorman94 wrote...
why is this thread not bigger!?!?
My thoughts exactly! Spread the word in any of the ME2 LI threads you're in!!
Yes it should be bigger, Fans of Jacob T., Samara, Thane, Jack, Miranda, Kelly, all should be here, so should Tali Fans, I mean really she can jump off a Cliff? I don't know if you can even take her up to your room and do the dirty like you can with Liara and Ash?
What about Garrus can you do the dirty with him?
even if you are a fan of ME2 characters that are non LI's like Legion, Gabby and Ken, Rupert, Kasumi, Zaeed, Grunt,
or one of the few fans of Morinth. In which case Your not my pal you killed Samara. That was a joke, your my pal as long as you help this cause.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 01:36
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Ah, the dirty with Garrus...we have dismissed this.
Nothing like the scenes with the VS or Liara. They kiss, fade to black, Shep wakes up in her underwear, without a sheet. Garrus is fully dressed, sitting in a chair reading a datapad. Wow, so romantic BW.
Nothing like the scenes with the VS or Liara. They kiss, fade to black, Shep wakes up in her underwear, without a sheet. Garrus is fully dressed, sitting in a chair reading a datapad. Wow, so romantic BW.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 01:38
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mnomaha wrote...
Ah, the dirty with Garrus...we have dismissed this.
Nothing like the scenes with the VS or Liara. They kiss, fade to black, Shep wakes up in her underwear, without a sheep. Garrus is fully dressed, sitting in a chair reading a datapad. Wow, so romantic BW.
That was cold! At first, I thought he'd left completely.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 03:21
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It is certainly disappointing how the ME2 romances were more or less completely brushed aside. I've said it in other threads, but I'll say it again here -- why introduce all of the ME2 characters/LIs, get so many fans to care about them, and then relegate them to unsatisfactory cameos in the final installment? Even if they couldn't all be squadmates (which I get), there were many creative ways to work around that, as others have already mentioned (emails, comm calls, more meetings on citadel, etc.).
I know that at heart these games aren't "romance" games, and the fact that there are limited resources to develop the game means that sometimes romance content must be cut in favor of other aspects of the game. BUT I do think at heart that they are character-driven games. It's the characters and theirs stories most of us will remember, and not the gameplay or weapon mods or level design.
(I will admit, however, that to most shippers, there could probably never been enough romance content to satiate us, and we would always seek more. But honestly, the amount of content (or lack thereof) given to the ME2 LIs is ridiculously pathetic).
I wonder if the devs realize how much replay value the LIs add to the game. I mean, most of the "big" choices only have two options, which means you can see most variations of the big decisions in only two playthroughs. I think what makes many players come back for a fourth, fifth, or even tenth playthrough is the desire to pursue relationships with different characters (that, along with curiosity about playing a different class). That is true for me, at least, and I'm sure I'm not alone.
If replayability is honestly something the devs care about -- from a commercial standpoint, if nothing else -- you would think they would put increased effort (and resources!) into making all of the romances as deep and satisfying as possible.
Edited for clarity.
I know that at heart these games aren't "romance" games, and the fact that there are limited resources to develop the game means that sometimes romance content must be cut in favor of other aspects of the game. BUT I do think at heart that they are character-driven games. It's the characters and theirs stories most of us will remember, and not the gameplay or weapon mods or level design.
(I will admit, however, that to most shippers, there could probably never been enough romance content to satiate us, and we would always seek more. But honestly, the amount of content (or lack thereof) given to the ME2 LIs is ridiculously pathetic).
I wonder if the devs realize how much replay value the LIs add to the game. I mean, most of the "big" choices only have two options, which means you can see most variations of the big decisions in only two playthroughs. I think what makes many players come back for a fourth, fifth, or even tenth playthrough is the desire to pursue relationships with different characters (that, along with curiosity about playing a different class). That is true for me, at least, and I'm sure I'm not alone.
If replayability is honestly something the devs care about -- from a commercial standpoint, if nothing else -- you would think they would put increased effort (and resources!) into making all of the romances as deep and satisfying as possible.
Edited for clarity.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 03:53
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AtlAggie wrote...
It is certainly disappointing how the ME2 romances were more or less completely brushed aside. I've said it in other threads, but I'll say it again here -- why introduce all of the ME2 characters/LIs, get so many fans to care about them, and then relegate them to unsatisfactory cameos in the final installment? Even if they couldn't all be squadmates (which I get), there were many creative ways to work around that, as others have already mentioned (emails, comm calls, more meetings on citadel, etc.).
I know that at heart these games aren't "romance" games, and the fact that there are limited resources to develop the game means that sometimes romance content must be cut in favor of other aspects of the game. BUT I do think at heart that they are character-driven games. It's the characters and theirs stories most of us will remember, and not the gameplay or weapon mods or level design.
(I will admit, however, that to most shippers, there could probably never been enough romance content to satiate us, and we would always seek more. But honestly, the amount of content (or lack thereof) given to the ME2 LIs is ridiculously pathetic).
I wonder if the devs realize how much replay value the LIs add to the game. I mean, most of the "big" choices only have two options, which means you can see most variations of the big decisions in only two playthroughs. I think what makes many players come back for a fourth, fifth, or even tenth playthrough is the desire to pursue relationships with different characters (that, along with curiosity about playing a different class). That is true for me, at least, and I'm sure I'm not alone.
If replayability is honestly something the devs care about -- from a commercial standpoint, if nothing else -- you would think they would put increased effort (and resources!) into making all of the romances as deep and satisfying as possible.
Edited for clarity.
You've essentially said everything I've wanted to say. Thank you.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 03:59
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Visii wrote...
mnomaha wrote...
Ah, the dirty with Garrus...we have dismissed this.
Nothing like the scenes with the VS or Liara. They kiss, fade to black, Shep wakes up in her underwear, without a sheep. Garrus is fully dressed, sitting in a chair reading a datapad. Wow, so romantic BW.
That was cold! At first, I thought he'd left completely.
LOL you quoted before I changed it to "sheet". Although, the way BW is going, I might actually prefer the sheep.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 04:02
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AtlAggie wrote...
It is certainly disappointing how the ME2 romances were more or less completely brushed aside. I've said it in other threads, but I'll say it again here -- why introduce all of the ME2 characters/LIs, get so many fans to care about them, and then relegate them to unsatisfactory cameos in the final installment? Even if they couldn't all be squadmates (which I get), there were many creative ways to work around that, as others have already mentioned (emails, comm calls, more meetings on citadel, etc.).
I know that at heart these games aren't "romance" games, and the fact that there are limited resources to develop the game means that sometimes romance content must be cut in favor of other aspects of the game. BUT I do think at heart that they are character-driven games. It's the characters and theirs stories most of us will remember, and not the gameplay or weapon mods or level design.
(I will admit, however, that to most shippers, there could probably never been enough romance content to satiate us, and we would always seek more. But honestly, the amount of content (or lack thereof) given to the ME2 LIs is ridiculously pathetic).
I wonder if the devs realize how much replay value the LIs add to the game. I mean, most of the "big" choices only have two options, which means you can see most variations of the big decisions in only two playthroughs. I think what makes many players come back for a fourth, fifth, or even tenth playthrough is the desire to pursue relationships with different characters (that, along with curiosity about playing a different class). That is true for me, at least, and I'm sure I'm not alone.
If replayability is honestly something the devs care about -- from a commercial standpoint, if nothing else -- you would think they would put increased effort (and resources!) into making all of the romances as deep and satisfying as possible.
Edited for clarity.
Very well said! I have been harping on the replayability issue (and lack of RPing in this game) myself.
When I think of all the "Reputation" side quests (patients arguing at Huerta, Refund guy, ect....) That is writing, set design, animation, VO work, and for what. A bit of banter from people we don't know, remember, or usually care about, and a couple of points towards Reputation. Couldn't those resources (along with some of the fetch quests) gone into more screen time, involvment (including quest related stuff), with the LI's and past squaddies?? I don't design games, so granted, I am just throwing this out there, but it does make you wonder......
BTW, shout out to my girl @Cosmo for keeping this thread and the FB page alive!!! Also a hoorah to all support posters!
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 04:07
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Or maybe, just maybe, they shouldn't have put in that bloody MP at the end of a trilogy. Imagine what they could have accomplished without it.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 04:09
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mnomaha wrote...
Or maybe, just maybe, they shouldn't have put in that bloody MP at the end of a trilogy. Imagine what they could have accomplished without it.
Solidarity, my sister! Quoted for truth.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 04:30
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I wrote this in the feedback thread, but I got a feeling it's going to be ignored. So I will post it here, just in case someone comes along from Bioware to view this topic, it will be here waiting for them. I strongly suggest that everyone should go to the feedback thread and leave a post. We simply can't just laid down and take this.
I have written this before, but I will rewrite it again to make my point across. I have been playing Bioware’s games for a long time now. However for the first time, I could not finish Mass Effect 3. I won’t complete it unless the ME2 romances in ME3 are done correctly and as soon as possible. I feel that since Bioware promised equality in all romances and failed to do so, I shouldn’t have to wait longer.
I did look up the endings on youtube, but I can’t really express my opinion on it since I didn’t finish the game. However I will share the problems in the Thane, Tali, and Jacob romance.
ME2 Romances in general:
We were promised equality in all romances however we did not receive it. Liara, Kaiden, and Ashley received the best, especially Liara. Garrus/Tail romances got it good but not like the ME1 romances. Miranda/Jack got something but it sucked. Thane and Jacob romances were slaughtered so bad that I don’t know if fans can recover from it. My best advice on this is to make all romances equal to Liara’s romance. It’s our job, as the fans to pick favorites, but it’s Bioware’s job to keep it neutral.
Jacob Romance:
Honestly I don’t know how someone can fix this without it sounding like a Murray Show. I think and believe that the whole Jacob romance needs to be scraped and rewritten. It was too much realism for a fictional character in a fictional world. The fans who romanced Jacob, even if the group is small, they deserved better than this. Jacob is a honorable man, he would have waited for Shepard. The ME1 characters waited two years for Shepard, Jacob could have waited six months.
Tali Romance:
Even though the Tail/Garrus romance had it better than the rest of the ME2 romances, Tail fans should have gotten a better photo than what they received. If you go to www.deviantart.com, you can research how most Tail fans thought she looked like and get a good art concept of her. Bioware, my brother is a Tali-mancer and if you need an original art concept of her… I do it myself. I’m an artist. I also believe an extra sex scene would do nicely for both Tali/Garrus romances.
Thane Romance:
This is where I come in strongly. My main and only LI was Thane. I was someone who lost their husband last year due to cancer. I connected with Thane and because of that reason I romanced him. I believed that there was going to be an option to save him because of the promotion that you guys held yourself on facebook. I would have changed my romance option if I knew otherwise. I didn’t pay $70 for a game to be reminded of my dead husband. An option would have pleased both parties. His character does attract a certain group of people like me, those who have experience lost and/or illness. The sensitive nature of this topic should have made those writing Thane more careful on how they approached it. However I will not go into it further but I will leave my ideas on how it should have been handled.
If Thane needed to die:
-More emotion from Shepard and the mention of his death from the crewmates. I also like to see the lesbian crewmates not to hit on ya right away. Can you imagine how it’s like to lose your love and then have 2 lesbians/kaiden hit on you right after? I’M NOT A LESBIAN. In rl, I would find it weird, but in a game I felt it was weird and insulting. Just because I’m a female player does not mean I will go from a straight relationship into a lesbian one. Seriously.
-The flash back to your love interest in the end should have been of Thane. Not Liara. I never romanced her to start off with.
-More romance/dialogue for Thane. I don’t know why I felt like this, but it felt like I had an one night stand with him than an actual romance. It was like I was being punished for not pursuing the romance with Kaiden. I only romanced Kaiden to start off with because I wanted a fight. Which none of us got.
-Please, take out the hospital sex scene. I know it was a 2 second scene that lead into a black out scene, but come on, really?
-Fix the glitching in the first conversation with Thane at the hospital. It’s insulting enough that his romance was an afterthought and water down, but we could have gotten better in graphics.
What I believe should have been the Thane romance:
-There should have been an OPITION. Not all of us believed he was defined by his illness. In matter of fact, at the end of the ME2 romance he made it clear to us that he didn’t consider himself define by it. So I don’t get how he contradicts himself in ME3. He wanted to live for his son and for Shepard.
-There was hope to cure/prolonging him. In the shadow broker level, it mentions he is eligible for a lung transplant. He also mentions in his dialog that the Hanar were working on a cure for his disease. Was it so unrealistic that he couldn’t be saved? The cancer my husband died from is currently being researched for a cure.
This happens every day in life, people find ways to help the terminal.
-Thane should come back as a squad member, if you choose to save him. Along with everyone else’s ME2 love interest. I would love to have Jacob/Miranda/Jack back on the Normandy. It’s not everyone from the second game, but at least its a few characters.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 04:30
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Yeah, adding it in during the last installment just seemed nonsensical and a waste of resources.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 04:40
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Serious waste of resources, especially for something I'm never going to play. It seems to me that it *is necessary* for the best ending. That's not cool. I don't MP, have never done and never will. Especially not one what was supposed to be a SP game. Or at least it was until somebody got greedy.
As for ME3...I paid $136.39 NZD for the N7 edition. I could have saved that and bought Diablo 3...
As for ME3...I paid $136.39 NZD for the N7 edition. I could have saved that and bought Diablo 3...
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 04:49
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Yeah, I bought the N7 edition as well. I remember talking excitedly waiting in line with all the other Mass Effect fans, even other Thane fans. We were all thrilled to get home and dive into the game.
I feel like such an idiot.
I feel like such an idiot.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 04:53
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Yeah, I feel like...IDK, they took advantage of us? They just slopped together some **** and knew we'd pay for it.
I told my brother that he should definitely play it, but wait until it went down to the $20 range. Hell, I'm the one who bought him the first two games. So he *knows* I mean what I say.
And this...not about us and I did put it on the facebook page. It's a very good read.
http://calitreview.com/24673
I told my brother that he should definitely play it, but wait until it went down to the $20 range. Hell, I'm the one who bought him the first two games. So he *knows* I mean what I say.
And this...not about us and I did put it on the facebook page. It's a very good read.
http://calitreview.com/24673
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