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[Photon_Man62]

Really, I gave Alistair the best armor and shield I have, kept him healed, made him take health potions with low health and gave him high constitution.

He drops like a fly. Every. Time.

In every SINGLE battle (even minor) he dies.

I then tried giving the same armor to MY character (didn't give him a shield because he's a dual-wielder). Never dies. The only time my character ever dies is when we are severely outnumbered. I don't even have to do anything but deal damage with my guy and take a potion when I'm on the verge of dying and I'm set for the whole game. But Alistair... man, that guy sucks. The only time he's ever really been useful was in a certain fight near the end of the Dalish Elves quest.

How's Alistair working out for you?

Modifié par Photon_Man62, 28 novembre 2009 - 07:58 .

[marshalleck]

He works fine for me, it's just that early on his default skill selections are retarded. I usually have him sorted out within a few levels, or I just respec him immediately using the mod, which isn't an option for console players unfortunately.

Going for avoidance tends to be better overall than trying to build tanks to absorb damage, unless you are using Shale.

A mage with Glyph of Warding can make a big difference in tank survivability.

Also, this thread belongs in the gameplay forum.

Modifié par marshalleck, 28 novembre 2009 - 07:37 .

[Seifz]

Allistair is fine. I've used him since the beginning and I've had no trouble with him, even against dragons.



Now, get your spoilers out of this forum! Go!

[TheAmazinAsian]

I don't see how hes that bad, my 2h and alistair mop the floor with darkspawn blood, with morrigan and leliana giving support.

[Naelven]

Are you using his sword+shield abilities?

[MikeIsGood]

Never had any problems with Alistair. Hardly ever dies. Do you have Shield Wall up? Try casting Lifeward on him if all else fails. But he works very well for me. The only problem for me is sometimes keeping aggro, or whatever it is the cool kids are calling it.

[Photon_Man62]

Naelven wrote...

Are you using his sword+shield abilities?

Yes. I am.

And to the guy complaining about spoilers, it doesn't count because I just used it as a small example, and the discussion isn't built around that.

[Viglin]

Photon_Man62 wrote...

Really, I gave Alistair the best armor and shield I have, kept him healed, made him take health potions with low health and gave him high constitution.

He drops like a fly. Every. Time.

In every SINGLE battle (even minor) he dies.

I then tried giving the same armor to MY character (didn't give him a shield because he's a dual-wielder). Never dies. The only time my character ever dies is when we are severely outnumbered. I don't even have to do anything but deal damage with my guy and take a potion when I'm on the verge of dying and I'm set for the whole game. But Alistair... man, that guy sucks. The only time he's ever really been useful was when

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How's Alistair working out for you?

If you think hes bad, try travelling with Sten awhile.

Modifié par Torias, 28 novembre 2009 - 11:19 .

[sevenslashfour]

Are you sure it's not just you placing his attribute points wrong?



Are you dumping them into dexterity, or constitution? While more HP might seem like the better choice, high dexterity means he'll hardly ever get hit to need that much HP.

[OgrynFlesh]

Sometimes it does seem like the AI sneaks a few extra points of damage in when it knows you're controlling someone else and not paying attention. PCs are right gits when it comes to that.

[Solica]

What a horrible forum this has turned out to be.

Sloth of Doom, hug me!

[Seifz]

Photon_Man62 wrote...

Naelven wrote...

Are you using his sword+shield abilities?

Yes. I am.

And to the guy complaining about spoilers, it doesn't count because I just used it as a small example, and the discussion isn't built around that.

It definitely does count.  The text was much too close to the little SPOLERS labels and my eyes caught enough of it that you actually spoiled part of the game for me.  I hadn't done that, yet!

The name of the damn forums says "NO SPOILERS ALLOWED".  Period.

[Photon_Man62]

Sorry, I'll add 200 lines of spaces next time. But at least now you know a trick to make the fight easier if you choose that path, the fight is nearly impossible at a lower level.

Modifié par Photon_Man62, 28 novembre 2009 - 07:52 .

[Skellimancer]

If only Sten was sword&board, which he should have been, I would respec him but his sword quest would not make much sense.

[Serenity84]

sevenslashfour wrote...
Are you dumping them into dexterity, or constitution? While more HP might seem like the better choice, high dexterity means he'll hardly ever get hit to need that much HP.

The most important thing.

I found him very vulnerable until I increased his dexterity. Not getting hit is infinitely better than absorbing damage.

[Falklol]

He does fine in my group. I think you're just doing something wrong.

[Seifz]

Photon_Man62 wrote...

Sorry, I'll add 200 lines of spaces next time. But at least now you know a trick to make the fight easier if you choose that path, the fight is nearly impossible at a lower level.

Yes, but I wanted to discover that on my own.  You ruined it.  For the benefit of everyone else, please remove the spoilers from your posts and refrain from doing that again in the future.  There's a whole forum dedicated to spoilers and you're free to post there.

[MikeIsGood]

Anzurok wrote...

I've found that even with shield wall, Alistair is pretty sad as a tank early in the game. In my last game Alistair stopped dying so much around level 14. It seems that he needs every one of those shield talents and juggernaut armor before he starts living up to the name "tank".

Well one reason I think is because earlier in the game you're wanting to pump his strength so that he can use the upper-level armors and weaponry, which leaves him lacking in constitution, resulting in low health. The shield talents are a part of it, too, but I know I for one wasn't pumping his con a lot until I got massive armors on him.

[Photon_Man62]

Seifz wrote...

Photon_Man62 wrote...

Sorry, I'll add 200 lines of spaces next time. But at least now you know a trick to make the fight easier if you choose that path, the fight is nearly impossible at a lower level.

Yes, but I wanted to discover that on my own.  You ruined it.  For the benefit of everyone else, please remove the spoilers from your posts and refrain from doing that again in the future.  There's a whole forum dedicated to spoilers and you're free to post there.

Once again, I apologize.

[Seifz]

Photon_Man62 wrote...

Seifz wrote...

Photon_Man62 wrote...

Sorry, I'll add 200 lines of spaces next time. But at least now you know a trick to make the fight easier if you choose that path, the fight is nearly impossible at a lower level.

Yes, but I wanted to discover that on my own.  You ruined it.  For the benefit of everyone else, please remove the spoilers from your posts and refrain from doing that again in the future.  There's a whole forum dedicated to spoilers and you're free to post there.

Once again, I apologize.

Much thanks for the edit.

[Serenity84]

Dexterity increases the defense rating and makes people harder to hit. You actually need to put points into that to get shield mastery. Constitution makes him able to take more damage, which is certainly useful, but it's a lot better to evade the attacks in the first place. It's really noticeable that he takes less damage when you up DEX.

[DJoker35]

On my third playthru, and I've used Alistair almost constantly. Alot has to do with tactics. One thing that helped me was to always have one tactic set for him to use the weakest poultice when his health was < 75%. Yeah he'll go through them, but it's easy enough to get ingredients for more. And because he isn't meant to be a damager, he can sit there healing as much as he needs to as long as his aggro grabbing is working, which it usually does. I also set the healer (if I have one) to heal him at <50%. Between the two he seems to do very well.

Modifié par DJoker35, 28 novembre 2009 - 08:11 .

[Sloth Of Doom]

Solica wrote...



What a horrible forum this has turned out to be.

Sloth of Doom, hug me!

I can't go around hugging people, it will ruin my reputation as a bastard!

As for Alistair, he is a perfectly viable tank.  Instead of cranking up his con and letting people beat him to a blody pulp, try giving him some dexerity so he he can avoid getting hit and messing up his hair.   Also, consider resistances (especially physical) over just slapping the heaviest armour you can find on everyone.    Armour doesn't have to absorb damage that is resisted.

[Wardawg1001]

You are definitely doing something wrong. Theres nothing inherent in Alistair as a character that would make him a worse tank than any other character or your player character. Everyone tanking potential is determined the exact same way by the combination of stats, talents, and gear you choose to give them. That said, you could probably make a slightly better overall tank with your player character (eventually) by virtue of being able to level all your stats and skills the exact way you want, and the extra stats you get from certain portions of the game. This could be worked around by either using a re-spec mod (on PC only of course), or using the glitch that allows you to drop a character base stats below what they started with during a level up.