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[Moonshadow_Dark]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Still waiting on why Mass Effect gets all these campaigns, yet Fable can continue to circle the drain.

Bioware makes a bad ending, you start a Retake campaign.

Peter Molyneux makes three terrible games after making one good one, you don't give two craps.

What. The. Hell?

He is french. Nobody takes the frenchies serious. /duck.

Fable: The Journey, man. He is freaking serious. He wants this series to die horribly.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Another article whining about art.

Many seem to forget that this is a product. And they seem to forget about capitalism.

[JediHealerCosmin]

This article would be better with Kinect. 

[Farbautisonn]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...
Fable: The Journey, man. He is freaking serious. He wants this series to die horribly.

Moln is a creative guy with a big mouth. He has had that and a messaih complex since day one. The reason people dont get their knickers in a twist is because they expect crap like that from him.

[katamuro]

Its pretty much what I expected from him apart from the last part. How can he blatantly say he will never respect us?Without knowing what we are actually against he throws the words away. I urge people to ignore this loudmouth as he is no better than people on BSN who attack our movement.

[wright1978]

Save me from people who write about stuff they have no knowledge about.

[blah64]

Zalbik wrote...

The Forbes articles seem to think differently. Funny how a business writers take is so different then the take of "the industry"

Indeed. And as soon as I saw that this person hadn't played the game...wel why should I listen to you then?

[suprhomre]

Very well written I totally support this article. After all it isn't the goal that is important but the journey. Thank you OP for sharing.

[Arppis]

mango smoothie wrote...

I'm going to quote something I wrote earlier today as I feel it fits in response to this article.


"So I was talking to my Dad about this whole situation ( he's a
producer/writer so I enjoy talking media and entertainment with him),
and asked him what he thought about it. He was saying how it's
completely within the rights of a consumer to request changes to a work
of art, and sometimes developers and creators must sacrifice their pride
and visions to do whats best for the consumers and fans. Because when
it all comes down to it your not making a movie, game, or book for you,
but  for the people buying and experiencing your work."

Requesting is alright. Demanding? I don't think so.

EDIT: and you guys should read the article fully. The guy says that he had similar feelings of Lost and he was furious about it.

Modifié par Arppis, 16 mars 2012 - 12:45 .

[Nugralsa1]

Simply,the game is this.And the ending is the 3,5,1 choose u'r number that u have seen.
U don't like it?Fine.Rage,criticize but moaning for a NEW final?Hell no.Is better a wrong,disgusting final,instead of a "perfect final" maked for the player happiness and,anyway,probably BioWare just joking with us in the final of ME3.We will see...

[Blackguard82]

The writer didn't even play the game! One of the things that really irk me are people trying to pass as experts and critisizing about stuff they have no experience with!
Just ignore him...

[lumen11]

Darthlawsuit wrote...

When 95%+ of the fanbase agree you screwed up... you screwed up.

Even if that were true, I wouldn't agree with it.

Even if Bioware's next game makes noticably less money because of this (which I doubt) and you would have to say that they screwed up from the point of view of the shareholders, I still disagree with the general sentiment.

This is not a popularity contest and starting petitions and the like, suggesting that this is an important social issue of some sort, feels just so wrong to me. If anything makes me feel sick... (Btw, this is not necessarily directed at you Darthlawsuit)

A lot of people say they have the right to criticise something, but there is a difference between the right to be able to criticise and the presumed right to vent one's frustration. Why, really why should you complain about something? A lot of people don't seem to ask themselves this question. You should if your oven stops working a week after you buy it. There are lots of reasons you probably should complain, sure, but not every disappointment is a good reason.

And just to be clear, I don't think it is badly, lazily or disrespectfully written either. And all those promises people imagined mostly weren't promises. They were comments by a lot of different people. Some of these didn't turn out to be true, some just came out different than people expected. But I haven't seen any hard promises.

Pfff, I don't usually rant, at all....:innocent:

[Gibb_Shepard]

Arppis wrote...

mango smoothie wrote...

I'm going to quote something I wrote earlier today as I feel it fits in response to this article.


"So I was talking to my Dad about this whole situation ( he's a
producer/writer so I enjoy talking media and entertainment with him),
and asked him what he thought about it. He was saying how it's
completely within the rights of a consumer to request changes to a work
of art, and sometimes developers and creators must sacrifice their pride
and visions to do whats best for the consumers and fans. Because when
it all comes down to it your not making a movie, game, or book for you,
but  for the people buying and experiencing your work."

Requesting is alright. Demanding? I don't think so.

Mind telling me what the difference is in this context?

[finc.loki]

2484Stryker wrote...

I laughed when the very first sentence says "I haven't played the game yet" and later admits that he doesn't know if the ending is good or bad and claims that it doesn't matter.

I get it, he's saying that voicing our displeasure is wrong no matter what the circumstances are, that game developers are above reproach and should never be questioned. That whatever they do, no matter if it's expressing their vision or a simple screwup, we as fans have no say in the matter.

He simply doesn't get it, this is not fans demanding a happy Disney ending or disagreeing with an artful and controversial ending to the series.  This is fans saying "you didn't deliver what you promised and you screwed up the ending when you could have ended it in a million different ways, whether it be sad, bleak, or hopeful". 

The author, guys, is an idiot.

Show me evidence where Bioware promised you a certain ending..

So looks like the pot calling the kettle black here.

[Errationatus]

katamuro wrote...

Its pretty much what I expected from him apart from the last part. How can he blatantly say he will never respect us?Without knowing what we are actually against he throws the words away. I urge people to ignore this loudmouth as he is no better than people on BSN who attack our movement.

"Our movement"?  

Do ye all stage Le Revolution?  Are you unto like the Gamer Ghandi?  Dost thou hoisteth thyself upon thy own cross to suffer for us?  Redemption Cometh!  All'ah Ackbhar!!

"We demand a game of the people, for the people and buy the people!  In the anals of Gamerdom, never before has such an egregious injustice been smeared upon us, the hot, sweaty, jiggling thronging Righteous Gamer Horde! Outrage!"

"...our movement."

FFS.

...and people wonder why no one takes them seriously anymore....

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Tazzmission wrote...

you do realize posters on that site couldve spoiled the ending for him and despite it i agree with his argument because can you honestly say that if you didnt like a novel or movie you would personally demand the author or director to change it because you say so?

As the consumer? Damn straight I would. I only care about the "artist's vision" in so far as I'm entertained. That's why I bought Mass Effect and not a different game series. In this case, the ending was less than entertaining. I don't see this as defending artistic vision, I see this as going against bad writing.

This whole "artistic vision" argument really needs to die. This is why Forbes has the right idea.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 16 mars 2012 - 08:07 .

[Farbautisonn]

JakeMacDon wrote...

katamuro wrote...

Its pretty much what I expected from him apart from the last part. How can he blatantly say he will never respect us?Without knowing what we are actually against he throws the words away. I urge people to ignore this loudmouth as he is no better than people on BSN who attack our movement.

"Our movement"?  

Do ye all stage Le Revolution?  Are you unto like the Gamer Ghandi?  Dost thou hoisteth thyself upon thy own cross to suffer for us?  Redemption Cometh!  All'ah Ackbhar!!

"We demand a game of the people, for the people and buy the people!  In the anals of Gamerdom, never before has such an egregious injustice been smeared upon us, the hot, sweaty, jiggling thronging Righteous Gamer Horde! Outrage!"

"...our movement."

FFS.

...and people wonder why no one takes them seriously anymore....

Well... People didnt take them seriously at first either but they have still generated quite a media stirr and gotten attention to themselves and their wishes. Not too shabby.

[Blacksnyder]

"...the goal of this movement is to get BioWare to offer new alternate endings that make them happier."

And that's where I stopped reading.

[Arkitekt]

The comments here are pure regurgitative feces from probably 95% of people who either didn't read the article or were utterly unable to parse its point. The irony is of course that by engaging willingly in blatant stupidity, the posters are merely confirming the article....

[Arkitekt]

The comments here are pure regurgitative feces from probably 95% of people who either didn't read the article or were utterly unable to parse its point. The irony is of course that by engaging willingly in blatant stupidity, the posters are merely confirming the article....

[Barrendall]

A good read and I happen to agree. There are aspects of the game I didn't enjoy and there is a lot that I did. All in all, I don't think I will ever understand what drives people with such self-righteous and abusive attitudes. You didn't enjoy the ending? Fine that's sums it up pretty good. Not buying another game from the developer who ruffled your feathers says a fair amount too. These demands in my opinion however are childish and unreasonable.

[LeonBrass]

I quit reading after the first paragraph:

Quote:

I haven't played Mass Effect 3 yet. I've been
in Austin for SXSW all week, and my copy is waiting for me to get home.
That means I don't know how the game ends, and I don't know if the
ending is good or trash. I have simply no idea (and for all you smart
alecks, I'll be staying out of the comments on this article so that you
don't spoil me). Here's the thing: for this editorial the quality of the
ending doesn't matter.

(I added the bold to the last phrase)
End Quote

Well at least they have a copy. 

The editorial may make sense, but it will be a lot more credible AFTER they played the game.

[SalsaDMA]

suprhomre wrote...

Very well written I totally support this article. After all it isn't the goal that is important but the journey. Thank you OP for sharing.

That's a trite romanticized claim.

Here's an example: You're racing on a racetrack in a racecar having an awesome time because you're winning. Then at the very end, from out of no-where, your car tire blows, your car sommersaults and you end up in a horrible accident that marks you for life. That race will forever be remembered by you by the end (or goal, as you would call it), rather than the 'journey'. It would certainly also affect your desire/ability to go racing again.

[SalsaDMA]

In regards to the article, he's wrong.

Basicly, it comes down to that if you buy a box that is advertised as being red and you find it is blue when you get it, you should be able to complain about the misleading advertisement and demand that you get the red box you were led to believe you purchased.

For some reason, the writer of the article thinks it is ok to mislead potential customers with what a product actually contains when you sell it.