ecarden wrote...
RVallant wrote...
No he's not, he's harvesting entire organic species as an organic-synthetic hybrid. The organics get uploaded to a reaper form, they still 'exist'.
And your thinking is too narrow, it's repeatedly or implied in ME3 that this cycle is unique for various reasons, impliedly that AI hasn't actually wiped crap out yet. The repeated pattern dating back to the very start ALWAYS had AI being created and AI attempting to wipe out their creators (or progressing along that line of thinking).
The Geth appear to be a one-off and even then, they're in a position of peace because of the Reaper threat not because they would have done so without that threat. It's also worth noting that if you get peace between them and the Quarians, that what they're doing to the Quarians isn't much different from what the AI did to the original species that Javik mentions.
Going by the pattern parameters will shift and the AI will uprise eventually, hence the logic is to eliminate them and harvest organics to a reaper shell in order to allow the younger species to exist and the pattern to re-establish itself.
Having the reapers wipe out synthetics all the time isn't going to prevent the pattern occuring and it's likely to add extra complications to the 'plan'. Don't analyse the catalyst from what 'we' experience analyse it from what HE itself and the Reapers have been seeing for over a minimum of 47 millions years. Then it becomes clearer.
Speaking only about the Geth, they fight in exactly two sets of circumstances--they've been attacked, or they've been bribed/influenced/indoctrinated by the Reapers--WHICH ARE CONTROLLED BY THE CATALYST.
This is called a self-fulfilling prophecy.
As for the rest, the catalyst may have some evidence that it's happened in past cycles, but all it says is that it's inevitable, its bare word, unsupported by evidence, doesn't counterbalance the weight of Geth and Quarian fighting together just outside the citadel.
Yes, but I'm not disputing the Geth, I just said they're an exception to the rule per se from the pattern of cycles that have occured thus far.
Even then, there is some evidence that they can go either way, specifically some of the Legion convos about consensus implies at least that a decision would be made on the matter in the future if possible, but that they couldn't come to a consensus as it was thus far.
As someone else points out, if you can't broker peace his AI decision is immediate wiping out of his creators. I side with the geth at every opportunity, I'm Pro-AI lifeforms but the risk of it happening is there and is implied to be there regardless of what we personally experience and think of the Geth, one exception is not enough to break a pattern that's been going on ad infintium, hence why the Catalysts' logic on that decision is pretty brutal but 'justified'.
Or, for that matter, EDI, who comes with you and reprograms herself to work better with you.
And EDI relies on you for that, which, is the ulterier point of the Catalyst. AI can't 'evolve' in the sense of organics (as Javik also points out in his argument with EDI). She can only assimilate data based on experience and interaction. Without Shepard's guidance she's likely to go either way per se, or upgrade in a very different way.
There's further implications when you consider her 'correct' decision to defy TIM for Shepard and the Normandy and ultimately Joker is a direct defiance of her 'creator'.
EDI's a brilliant character and she evolves fantastically but she highlights the exact problem with synthetic 'evolution' in that it is not tempered by emotion or any beneficial organic evolvution. Without Shepard there's no guarentee she would have gone the way she did, again she proves to be an exception in a cycle that is an exception to the entire pattern.
It's likely, (or not) that the crucibles 'data' given to the catalyst is what prompts him to re-asses the solution to offer two further solutions, with the 'hardest' being synthesis which, is implied at least when you think about it to actually consolidate and merge all DNA in Organic-synthesis resulting in none of the 'problems' and all of the 'benefits' defeating the need for synthetics or organics to be exclusive of each other and to deny the existance of one wiping out the other. Whether it works or not, is entirely up in the air obviously but that's the whole point. (I recognise I'm only analysing that through one ending but that ending ties into all I've said pretty seamlessly, you have control and destroy if you think otherwise of course, both are also viable.)
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