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[Solgrid]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Perhaps they had no problem with the ending, and/or felt the endings did not detract from their game experience.

Apparently it's easier to deny that Bioware dropped the ball on the ending then to admit they disappointed the mass majority their fans with a sub par, disjointed ending (in the opinion of said fans) to a great series. Instead of excuses and denial, just address your fans concerns, answer their pleas for answers and work to fix what the majority see as an egregious affront to those who are (or in some cases were) great and loyal fans of Mass Effect and Bioware. Continued denial and excuses only costs you your reputation, continued loyalty and in the end,  what apparently matters most to Bioware and EA now, money.

Modifié par Solgrid, 16 mars 2012 - 12:51 .

[Xaijin]

Obrusnine wrote...

Salvatore510 wrote...

An ending does not make a game, and despite most people not wanting to admit it, it's the best game in the series

If a horrible game had an amazing ending, should it be an amazing game? That's the logic you guys are using, because most of you seem to think because the ending sucks, doesn't matter if the game is great, the game has to suck.

I didn't say the game was bad, but the ending is, I was just wondering why absolutely NONE of the critics are mentioning it in their reviews. It is a major part of the game. It also seriously hurts replay value, I can't bring myself top play it again because of this very reason, I know how it ends.

That's because the vast majority of them have not played until the ending. Very few reviewers do, they have deadlines to meet and other projects to review.

[bleachorange]

KotorEffect, if you think it doesn't ruin the game, and it's still super awesome, why are you here messing with those of us who think it does? I mean, really, if the game was so fun, I'd be playing it now instead of arguing with the likes of you.

[Caz Neerg]

Plaguemaster wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...
You are quite clearly not paying attention to what people are actually saying. The majority love the game and hate the ending. This is being said over and over again. So please, before you make sweeping statements, do your research. Thanks.

I suggest you stop speaking for majority. Do your research. Thanks.

Nobody can conclusively say what the "silent majority" really thinks. But we can say, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the vast majority of those who have played this game *and* expressed opinions online after doing so think the game is fantastic, other than the ending, and loathe the ending. That isn't really debateable at this point in time. Could it change as more people finish? Sure, but so far the percentages are holding remarkably steady as the total numbers increase.

[kbct]

Tazzmission wrote...

depends on who the woman is. if it was halle berry than hell yes a std is worth it if i got to have a fling with her for one night

because at least i can say i slept with halle berry

Dude, you would live with an STD for the rest of your life to sleep with Halle Berry? Surprise, you got AIDS.

I think you're in the minority. Again.

[Naqey]

Stanley Woo wrote...

- HOLY CRAP IT WAS SO FUN!
- the game is an exemplar of its genre
- everything the game was trying to accomplish, it did so
- the game is completely problem free
- the game is perfect
- the game has tremendous value for its price
- the positives of the whole game experience vastly outweighed the negatives

And depending on the site or publication's policies, it may or may not be possible to get a perfect score. not saying you're wrong, but I can think of other reasons a game might get a perfect (or high or low) score.

- yep
- yep (that genre being action-rpg, not "classical" rpg)
- maybe (depends on what you wanted to accomplish. you sure as hell didnt accomplish everything that was "promised" during the development, at least not in my book)
- no, not really. there are still many bugs with sidequests or minor glitches and even the combat controls arent perfect
- no game is perfect. ever
- yep (esp. with the addition of mp, if you´re into that sort of thing)
- yep (but there are negatives)

sure, some sites give out perfect scores left an right and by their standards me3 is a 10/10.
personally, I would give it a 9.1 or 9.2 and I really dislike the endings (as a matter of fact I HATE them), but still, the rest of the game is great. 

[edrst10]

While I agree that the ending doesn't invalidate how great the rest of the game (and series for that matter is), I still believe that it detracts from the overall product. When you finish a game and instead of thinking how awesome it was (as was the case with both ME1 and ME2 for me) but instead are left dumbfounded about what the hell just happenned, then you know that there is something quite wrong. And here I am not talking about an ending that leaves things open to make you think (like the series finale of the Sopranos), we were left with questions, but not the right questions. We were left with questions about broken narrative, and lore inconsistencies and plot holes. If this was a game that held itself almost exclusively on gameplay (like most shooters) it wouldn't be that big od a deal, but this is a game that rests its laurels on narrative. And I think that is something worthy of mentioning in a review. It perhaps shows that there is a huge gap between the "professionals" who review games and the audience that consumes them.

[kbct]

Solgrid wrote...

Apparently it's easier to deny that Bioware dropped the ball on the ending then to admit they disappointed the mass majority their fans with a sub par, disjointed ending (in the opinion of said fans) to a great series. Instead of excuses and denial, just address your fans concerns, answer their pleas for answers and work to fix what the majority see as an egregious affront to those who are (or in some cases were) great and loyal fans of Mass Effect and Bioware. Continued denial and excuses only costs you your reputation, continued loyalty and in the end,  what apparently matters most to Bioware and EA now, money.

Unfortunately, they believe the poll on this site with 50,000 people is only note-worthy. They can still call us the minority. Not sure how they expect to determine the majority view then.

I guess sales. Unfortunately, sales is a lagging indicator. Damage is already done.

Modifié par kbct, 16 mars 2012 - 01:02 .

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

Stanley Woo wrote...
To be fair, a game reviewer's job isn't to be a bug hunter.

Hehe, this quote reminds me of Dragon Age 2. I guess none of the reviewers, at all, became friends with Isabella. What an incredible and unlikely coincidence that was. :-P

[BuffPhantoms]

kbct wrote...

Solgrid wrote...

Apparently it's easier to deny that Bioware dropped the ball on the ending then to admit they disappointed the mass majority their fans with a sub par, disjointed ending (in the opinion of said fans) to a great series. Instead of excuses and denial, just address your fans concerns, answer their pleas for answers and work to fix what the majority see as an egregious affront to those who are (or in some cases were) great and loyal fans of Mass Effect and Bioware. Continued denial and excuses only costs you your reputation, continued loyalty and in the end,  what apparently matters most to Bioware and EA now, money.

  Damage is already done.

And isn't reflecting in the sales or scores.

Massive damage.

[kbct]

BuffPhantoms wrote...

kbct wrote...

Solgrid wrote...

Apparently it's easier to deny that Bioware dropped the ball on the ending then to admit they disappointed the mass majority their fans with a sub par, disjointed ending (in the opinion of said fans) to a great series. Instead of excuses and denial, just address your fans concerns, answer their pleas for answers and work to fix what the majority see as an egregious affront to those who are (or in some cases were) great and loyal fans of Mass Effect and Bioware. Continued denial and excuses only costs you your reputation, continued loyalty and in the end,  what apparently matters most to Bioware and EA now, money.

  Damage is already done.

And isn't reflecting in the sales or scores.

Massive damage.

The damage is already done when you look at your sales for the game. Remember, there is a difference between shipped units and sold units. Also, a lot of people pre-ordered the game. Let's see what happens in the coming weeks. That will be the test, I guess.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

They should've mentioned the endings...but even I give the game a 94% despite that. It was phenominal... but the ending wasn't just bad... it was irresponsibly neglectful... full of plot holes and plot gaps and left you more confused than when the ending began.

The fact that Bioware specifically promised that that wouldn't happen just makes it worse.

[Volus Warlord]

Tony_Knightcrawler wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...
To be fair, a game reviewer's job isn't to be a bug hunter.

Hehe, this quote reminds me of Dragon Age 2. I guess none of the reviewers, at all, became friends with Isabella. What an incredible and unlikely coincidence that was. :-P

Who would wanna be friends with Isabella? God knows where that's been.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

phouria wrote...
who would you have sex with: ron perlman with a vagina, or scarlet johanson with a penis?

Unless I got a gun pointed at my head: None.

[KotorEffect3]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Tony_Knightcrawler wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...
To be fair, a game reviewer's job isn't to be a bug hunter.

Hehe, this quote reminds me of Dragon Age 2. I guess none of the reviewers, at all, became friends with Isabella. What an incredible and unlikely coincidence that was. :-P

Who would wanna be friends with Isabella? God knows where that's been.

Well it is either her or Merril and Merril just feels wrong.

[Olueq]

Salvatore510 wrote...

An ending does not make a game, and despite most people not wanting to admit it, it's the best game in the series

If a horrible game had an amazing ending, should it be an amazing game? That's the logic you guys are using, because most of you seem to think because the ending sucks, doesn't matter if the game is great, the game has to suck.

Thats an opinion.

[BuffPhantoms]

 

kbct wrote...

BuffPhantoms wrote...

kbct wrote...

Solgrid wrote...

Apparently it's easier to deny that Bioware dropped the ball on the ending then to admit they disappointed the mass majority their fans with a sub par, disjointed ending (in the opinion of said fans) to a great series. Instead of excuses and denial, just address your fans concerns, answer their pleas for answers and work to fix what the majority see as an egregious affront to those who are (or in some cases were) great and loyal fans of Mass Effect and Bioware. Continued denial and excuses only costs you your reputation, continued loyalty and in the end,  what apparently matters most to Bioware and EA now, money.

  Damage is already done.

And isn't reflecting in the sales or scores.

Massive damage.

The damage is already done when you look at your sales for the game. 

It has sold more than ME2 in the same time frame.

Massive damage.

Modifié par BuffPhantoms, 16 mars 2012 - 01:13 .

[kbct]

BuffPhantoms wrote...


 

kbct wrote...

BuffPhantoms wrote...

kbct wrote...

Solgrid wrote...

Apparently it's easier to deny that Bioware dropped the ball on the ending then to admit they disappointed the mass majority their fans with a sub par, disjointed ending (in the opinion of said fans) to a great series. Instead of excuses and denial, just address your fans concerns, answer their pleas for answers and work to fix what the majority see as an egregious affront to those who are (or in some cases were) great and loyal fans of Mass Effect and Bioware. Continued denial and excuses only costs you your reputation, continued loyalty and in the end,  what apparently matters most to Bioware and EA now, money.

  Damage is already done.

And isn't reflecting in the sales or scores.

Massive damage.

The damage is already done when you look at your sales for the game. 

It has sold more than ME2 in the same time frame.

Massive damage.

Remember, companies worry about profit, not revenue. You gotta consider the costs too.

[cipher86]

Tali's face, the ridiculous amount of "fetch" missions that involve nothing more than scanning, feeling like you need to do these things to get War Assets high enough and then finding out how meaningless it all was, N7 missions being copy-pastes of multiplayer missions (or is it the other way around), some important decisions from ME1/ME2 being overridden, minor graphical upgrade with a severe drop in animation quality (KotOR was more lifelike and yes I've played it recently), one hub like DA2 when ME2 had 4 hubs and ME1 had 3.

That isn't 100/100 material, it isn't even 90/100. This is the sort of thing I'd expect from a developer that shows promise, not one that's already proven itself.

[Volus Warlord]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Tony_Knightcrawler wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...
To be fair, a game reviewer's job isn't to be a bug hunter.

Hehe, this quote reminds me of Dragon Age 2. I guess none of the reviewers, at all, became friends with Isabella. What an incredible and unlikely coincidence that was. :-P

Who would wanna be friends with Isabella? God knows where that's been.

Well it is either her or Merril and Merril just feels wrong.

Which one's Merril?

[Solgrid]

kbct wrote...

BuffPhantoms wrote...

kbct wrote...

Solgrid wrote...

Apparently it's easier to deny that Bioware dropped the ball on the ending then to admit they disappointed the mass majority their fans with a sub par, disjointed ending (in the opinion of said fans) to a great series. Instead of excuses and denial, just address your fans concerns, answer their pleas for answers and work to fix what the majority see as an egregious affront to those who are (or in some cases were) great and loyal fans of Mass Effect and Bioware. Continued denial and excuses only costs you your reputation, continued loyalty and in the end,  what apparently matters most to Bioware and EA now, money.

  Damage is already done.

And isn't reflecting in the sales or scores.

Massive damage.

The damage is already done when you look at your sales for the game. Remember, there is a difference between shipped units and sold units. Also, a lot of people pre-ordered the game. Let's see what happens in the coming weeks. That will be the test, I guess.

The result of all this fallout will be in how Bioware's next game sells, how Mass Effect 3 DLC (provided it isn't a free, ending altering DLC) sells, and ultimately how Bioware responds to this incident. If Bioware loses alot of customers over this, or that paid Mass Effect DLC doesn't sell, maybe they will accept  the fact they severly disppointed a majority of their fans and that cost them both their reputation and their bottom line. Sadly with how defensive Bioware employees are (as evidenced by Stanely Woo) about how they refuse to accept it. Only time and sales will tell how much damage has been done.

[bleachorange]

Salvatore510 wrote...

An ending does not make a game, and despite most people not wanting to admit it, it's the best game in the series

If a horrible game had an amazing ending, should it be an amazing game? That's the logic you guys are using, because most of you seem to think because the ending sucks, doesn't matter if the game is great, the game has to suck.

 no it's not. a good narrative with engaging gameplay makes a good game. you don't slice your movies into 3 sections and pit them against each other do you?

What happened to me was, "really? all that sh*t Shepard went through and that's it?" So i proceeded to replay the last mission, and picked a different ending. My lights changed colors, yay. THAT is when I really started to get pissed off. And at that point, I began to find everything wrong with the ending that bugged me before, but I was ignoring it for the moment. SUSPENSION OF DISBLIEF CEASED.

[starscreamerx31]

Mass effect to me was like the star wars of video games. I mean this was a game i felt could have gone down in the history books as a game that stopped being a game but also an interactive movie with a living breathing universe and characters that leap out of the screen. Instead they gave us a game that almost did it. I cant believe some of you are saying the endings not important? Thats like saying the begining or middle of a game is not important. The ending is a writers last chance to recapture the moment while bringing everything to a close. Instead we have an ending that is so vague and incomplete it kills the game. They really could have ended the series with a bang that would leave us talking about it for years to come. Did they do that well of course because now your gonna have people who say that bioware was the company that almost created the most flawless/epic trilogy of all time. In a nutshell im so dissapointed

[bleachorange]

cipher86 wrote...

Tali's face, the ridiculous amount of "fetch" missions that involve nothing more than scanning, feeling like you need to do these things to get War Assets high enough and then finding out how meaningless it all was, N7 missions being copy-pastes of multiplayer missions (or is it the other way around), some important decisions from ME1/ME2 being overridden, minor graphical upgrade with a severe drop in animation quality (KotOR was more lifelike and yes I've played it recently), one hub like DA2 when ME2 had 4 hubs and ME1 had 3.

That isn't 100/100 material, it isn't even 90/100. This is the sort of thing I'd expect from a developer that shows promise, not one that's already proven itself.

And ME2's hubs were tiny compared to those other games. The overall content is the same, just spread out. I'm not knocking your opinion, I'm just saying think a little and you may change your mind.

[Aesieru]

nedpepper wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Sentr0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Couldn't have anything to do with most of them having ads for the game plastered all over their site for months before release. I mean Kotaku has an animated ad with a click through to the EA store. Yeah, they're not going to be biased at all.

Still less biased than the majority of fan reviews.

:facepalm:

Fans let their hyperreactive entitlement issues cloud their judgment.

And in reaction, you just insult them, which is against the terms of service here.

As you just did to Stanley Woo.  Take a breath, dude.

No that was honest truth.