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[Farbautisonn]

BobSmith101 wrote...

A user review is the personal feelings of a regular guy/gal who played the game. They have no obligation to be objective, the value is found in the spread of the scores not in an individual review.

If you leave Mass Effect 3 feeling like you just got kicked the quads it's not suprising someone would rate it as 1 or 0. It's a score of the users experience after all.


Approach user reviews like so.

***** - Should be a safe buy as long as it's the sort of game you like.
**** - Probably has some minor issues but nothing too bad
*** - Could go either way, either it's a very average game or a very polarizing game, it's a risk.
** - Something about this game is very wrong would require further research.
* - Either this game sucks, does something unforgivable which blights the experience or should never have seen daylight.

-Pretty much.

[Wattoes]

Game reviews are always generous to big budget titles. Theres a mutually beneficial relationship between the two. Keep each other happy and you both benefit.

The only honest reviews you will find is from indy reviewers.

[kbct]

BobSmith101 wrote...

A user review is the personal feelings of a regular guy/gal who played the game. They have no obligation to be objective, the value is found in the spread of the scores not in an individual review.

If you leave Mass Effect 3 feeling like you just got kicked the quads it's not suprising someone would rate it as 1 or 0. It's a score of the users experience after all.

Approach user reviews like so.

***** - Should be a safe buy as long as it's the sort of game you like.
**** - Probably has some minor issues but nothing too bad
*** - Could go either way, either it's a very average game or a very polarizing game, it's a risk.
** - Something about this game is very wrong would require further research.
* - Either this game sucks, does something unforgivable which blights the experience or should never have seen daylight.

Your approach to the scores seems very reasonable to me. The scores are especially important when quickly comparing multiple games. If you're looking to purchase one game and see three games - one with 4 stars, one with 3 stars, and one with 2 stars, I bet most people will look at the game with 4 stars first and if it looks good, they will buy it without even looking at the 2 star game.

In addition, by default, Amazon shows the "most helpful" review first. If that review is long and detailed and gives the game 2 out of 5 stars, I can see how a lot of people will be turned off.

Even if you dig into the reviews, you have to decide if you want to play a game with ONE MAJOR PROBLEM.

The bottom line is the Amazon reviews will have an adverse effect on purchase decisions. How adverse? I don't know.

[salbi]

Shinwolverine wrote...

The review site would never allow something like that to published. Notice all the mass effect, cod, gears, ect ect banners on video game sites. Well lets just say there is a reason why reviewers don't badmouth high profile games like that. Its bad for business. Thats why every COD game that comes out gets 10/10' s while other games get 7's for "lack of originality."

Last COD game got losts of 50 and 60 critic reviews.


Maybe some critics are generous to big budget titles, but I don't think the 50 something of them are all biased. I don't know, maybe I'm naive.

So, I checked some reviews form the XBOX360, and found out there were publishers who gave big scores to ME3 but quite average score to Dragon Age 2. For Instance:  

games™: 
Dragon Age 2: 60 
Mass Effect 3: 90 

Eurogamer Spain: Dragon Age 2: 70 Mass Effect 3: 100

Digital Chumps: 
Dragon Age 2: 70 Mass Effect 3: 100 

Xbox World Australia:   Dragon Age 2: 70 Mass Effect 3: 98 

Metro Game Central: Dragon Age 2: 70 Mass Effect 3: 90

GamerLimit: 
Dragon Age 2: 70 Mass Effect 3: 90 

GamerLimit:  Dragon Age 2: 70 Mass Effect 3: 85  


They have some extra pressure this time to give a better score ? or they honestly think it deserved it ? 

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Hammer6767 wrote...
How about all the morons review bombing Amazon and Metacritic with 0 scores because they are angry with a piece of the game. If you enjoyed 90% of a game and hated 10%...wouldn't that lead to a 90/100 score? People are so prone to extremes. There is no middle. Reviewers you disagree with are paid shills, reviews you agree with are awesome!

It depend on how bad is the hated part entirely. How would you rate a pizza with a poo which is covering 10% of it and the rest almost perfect? 90% ? I don't think so, and most people would not too.

[kbct]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

To be fair they didn't mention the bugs in the game either...the import bug and various side quest bugs...I would think things like that would shave some points off the score. Even if they didn't consider the ending or some other issues like the auto dialogue, choices not really going anywhere in the ending etc it shouldn't have gotten a perfect score. Sometimes I wonder if these reviewers just rush their reviews in an effort to be the first review out there not really taking the time to inform the consumer or if they are afraid of losing exclusives with certain companies to the point that they give their games higher scores than they deserve.

BioWare touted there were 70+ perfect reviews for this game. There are three minor things (to me) besides the ending, that should have lowered the score just a bit:

- some character faces don't import properly
- journal doesn't manage quests well
- need to play MP to improve your readiness

These are problems in my opinion, not major problems, but enough to lower the score from perfect. Lots of threads and posts about these problems on the forum.

The fact that there are 70+ perfect professional reviews means something is wrong in the professional review business.

[InvincibleHero]

Obrusnine wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Perhaps they had no problem with the ending, and/or felt the endings did not detract from their game experience.

No offense, but I don't see how it wouldn't... or how a even a FEW of them couldn't have noticed it.

There is a lot obviously wrong with it, and it's seriously going to hinder my trust in them in the future. Plot holes, stupidity with nonsensical stuff, and obvious problems are throughout the entire thing.

Very easy to explain reviews are supposed to be more objective than subjective for a reason. If someone did not like the style of the game or even the color or clothing the main character wore then they could grade the game down. Even if the reviewer hated the ending it might warrant a mention but they should not dock the score severely no more than a .1 or .2. I'd say not at all because it is purely opinion. If the reviewer thinks the endings were high quality then it is enough to remove bias/opinion out and it should not bump the score substantially either in the case of a reviewer really loving the ending. The score is based on the whole product of which the ending is a part. Some games have no ending so how ever would we rate them? A zero or 1 like some people are doing to ME 3?  

[InvincibleHero]

kbct wrote...

BioWare touted there were 70+ perfect reviews for this game. There are three minor things (to me) besides the ending, that should have lowered the score just a bit:

- some character faces don't import properly
- journal doesn't manage quests well
- need to play MP to improve your readiness

These are problems in my opinion, not major problems, but enough to lower the score from perfect. Lots of threads and posts about these problems on the forum.

The fact that there are 70+ perfect professional reviews means something is wrong in the professional review business.

Other games rated perfect can have their own lists of why they do not deserve a 10/10 as well. There can be much more than three reasons.

I have to ask does how you look impact gameplay at all? Nope still I can see why people want a fix and I hope BW does so.

A poor journal in some cases. People have managed to do it with much worse. I do wonder why they went from ME2 (which at times felt too handholdy to me). In any case a small issue perhaps with those that rated it perfect.

So perhaps a need to play a part of the actual game should lower the score. Yeah I get the it should stay single player angle, but BW claimed it is possible and they seeded enough points. Users here claimed they did it so who is right?


Others have it ranging from 8.5 and up so perhaps they did deduct points for your reasons while the others thought they were minor things that didn't bother them.

[t_i_e_]

a) Either he didn't finish the game part of the small percentage that likes the ending c) get paid by EA to give good reviews

[Zmajc]

98% of the game is amazing. Any professional reviewer would loose his integrity if he gave the game a bad score simply because of the ending.

[Tremere]

Obrusnine wrote...

Salvatore510 wrote...

CompositeGNR wrote...

Salvatore510 wrote...

An ending does not make a game, and despite most people not wanting to admit it, it's the best game in the series

If a horrible game had an amazing ending, should it be an amazing game? That's the logic you guys are using, because most of you seem to think because the ending sucks, doesn't matter if the game is great, the game has to suck.

Well it completly invalidates any reason to play the two previous games, because none of those choices matter, heck it even invalidates replaying 3

Irrelevant. That doesn't make it a bad game, and the reviewers are judging the quality of the game, and if you liked Mass Effect before (IE it's your type of game) you would be lying if you think it's anything less than a great game. Sure the ending is a massive letdown, but it doesn't detract from the game.

I got so deflated after the ending I didn't touch my Xbox for 3 days but it doesn't change the fact it's still an awesome game and deserving of all the high praise it's getting.

And people seem to forget, that some people actually do like the ending. But in the end, peoples opinions of the ending are irrelevant when discussing the quality of the game. It's just bitterness if you think it changes an amazing game into an awful game.

A lot of people also seem to be confusing peoples dissatisfaction with the endings as dissatisfaction with the entire game. I enjoyed my playthrough up until that last 10-15 minutes of game time. It is an excellent game, and a milestone in gaming to be sure, but the ending just seemed like a giant slap in the face and because of it I can't seem to go back to my keyboard and start playing it again.

I think this might explain the Multi-Player option.

[t_i_e_]

Zmajc wrote...

98% of the game is amazing. Any professional reviewer would loose his integrity if he gave the game a bad score simply because of the ending.

I disagree with you. The lies about the marketing and multiple endings should effect a score. Also it certainly doesn't deserve the 90+ and 9/10+ its getting. Their paid trying to off set the fan reaction.

Modifié par t_i_e_, 16 mars 2012 - 02:48 .

[Biff Tundrish]

Sadly, not the end is the only problem with the game. I think the developers saw too much Hollywood thrash movies. If they think the constant dead of all friends made a game epic, they don't know anything about the meaning of the word epic. It's a full kitsch, that only makes the people laugh...

[PalAvian]

Here’s a template of your typical press reviews for big game titles:

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[kbct]

InvincibleHero wrote...

kbct wrote...

BioWare touted there were 70+ perfect reviews for this game. There are three minor things (to me) besides the ending, that should have lowered the score just a bit:

- some character faces don't import properly
- journal doesn't manage quests well
- need to play MP to improve your readiness

These are problems in my opinion, not major problems, but enough to lower the score from perfect. Lots of threads and posts about these problems on the forum.

The fact that there are 70+ perfect professional reviews means something is wrong in the professional review business.

Other games rated perfect can have their own lists of why they do not deserve a 10/10 as well. There can be much more than three reasons.

I have to ask does how you look impact gameplay at all? Nope still I can see why people want a fix and I hope BW does so.

A poor journal in some cases. People have managed to do it with much worse. I do wonder why they went from ME2 (which at times felt too handholdy to me). In any case a small issue perhaps with those that rated it perfect.

So perhaps a need to play a part of the actual game should lower the score. Yeah I get the it should stay single player angle, but BW claimed it is possible and they seeded enough points. Users here claimed they did it so who is right?

Others have it ranging from 8.5 and up so perhaps they did deduct points for your reasons while the others thought they were minor things that didn't bother them.

Sure, there are more faults with the game. My only point was to highlight three flaws (besides the ending) that have been heavily discussed in the forums.

Given the large disparity between the user reviews and the professional reviews, I have to consider that there are other factors at play in the professional reviewer's decision making process besides being objective.

There are simply too many perfect scores from professional reviewers.

[Drummernate]

Here is my general review.

Gameplay = Fluid, awesome, entertaining.
Story = Epic.
Music = Middle of the line... other than the piano I hardly noticed any stand out songs.
Graphics = Awesome at some times, terrible at others.
Multiplayer = Repetitive but very entertaining. Frustrating unlock system.
Endings = Epic.

Yes I have beat it.... check my achievements if you are one of those guys who never believes anything.

[InvincibleHero]

kbct wrote...

Sure, there are more faults with the game. My only point was to highlight three flaws (besides the ending) that have been heavily discussed in the forums.

Given the large disparity between the user reviews and the professional reviews, I have to consider that there are other factors at play in the professional reviewer's decision making process besides being objective.

There are simply too many perfect scores from professional reviewers.

You could be right about too many perfects, but that is a product of time. If you could point that % of all games receiving perfect has gone up considerably then maybe we'd have soemthing worth talking about.  If less than 1% of games made in a year get 10/10 then it does not need fixed. After all it does not mean perfect game it means best game possible and every game 10/10 has peers. It sets them apart from games scored 9.9 saying it is better than that game so it is valid to use the 10 score.

[byzantine horse]

 Everyone seems to mention that Bioware lied regarding some parts of the game, most notably the Prothean DLC and the ending. I do know that Mr. Hudson or someone else said that the goal with this last installment of the trilogy was that the ending should be satisfying and that your choices up until that point should matter. Regarding From Ashes Bioware claimed that the DLC was completed post verification (or whatever it is called) yet people can freely activate Javik without it.

Failing to bring a satisfying ending is not lying, it is failing as far as I am concerned. And while my decision throughout the game didn't impact the end as much as I would have liked I only had two options at the end in which both Shepard died, obviously because I didn't make the right decisions throughout the game (as there is a third option and apparently Shepard doesn't have to die in either of the two options I had available to me). So that means that my decisions did matter, however negligible the impact.

And Javik being on the disk (or in my case the download) doesn't have to mean more than Bioware finishing a skeleton of the DLC before the game entered verification and then finished it up afterwards. I have seen no evidence of the actual questline and conversations with Javik being on the disk ready to be unlockde but I'd happily be proved wrong on that.

To me it seems that Bioware oversold the game and exaggerated, but that isn't exactly lying. Not far from it, but there is a distinction, however small.

And regarding the proffessional reviews I will as always say this: People readily declare something which affirms their own opinion as unbiased gospel and something which contradicts it as paid for or blatantly biased. Everyone are biased and thus all opinions carry a bias the important thing is to have your own opinion and not have to look to others to affirm it.

Edit: And before anyone decides to take a jump at me, no I am no "drone" or "Bioware-apologist", I do really dislike the ending as well. I just think that people needlessly let 15 minutes of dissatisfaction and disappointment overshadow an otherwise great trilogy of games. Taking a step back and looking at the whole picture helps alot in that regard.

Modifié par byzantine horse, 16 mars 2012 - 03:16 .

[guybrush threepwad]

I think most video game reviewers just don't know how to critique a story. It is such a side aspect in most games it becomes window dressing, and it doesn't take much to impress them (like uncharted series, often praised for writing, perhaps the banter, but the overall stories are terrible). They don't notice the diabolus ex machina, the multiple plot holes, the abandonment of the major themes of the game etc etc because they are use to garbage and have little experience or knowledge on how to analyze a story.

[MystaisPC]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Perhaps they had no problem with the ending, and/or felt the endings did not detract from their game experience.

It makes the experience absolutely pointless for many of us and kills and desire to replay it or any of the series.  The climax to this amazing series is a kick to the groin.  I did not put in over 200 hours into this series, striving for the best possible outcome to have this happen.

[nel e nel]

CompositeGNR wrote...

Adam hasn't played the ending yet, I doubt many of them have.

Look up the most recent Sessler's Soapbox. He actually found the ending...thought provoking. 

[InvincibleHero]

MystaisPC wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Perhaps they had no problem with the ending, and/or felt the endings did not detract from their game experience.

It makes the experience absolutely pointless for many of us and kills and desire to replay it or any of the series.  The climax to this amazing series is a kick to the groin.  I did not put in over 200 hours into this series, striving for the best possible outcome to have this happen.

Perhaps the problem is your heightened expectation. BW has the right to end it as they will since it is their property. Do they tell you what to do with things you make/create. You can bust your tail at work trying for a promotion and someone else gets it. You are never guaranteed favorable outcomes. it may not be the ending you wanted, but the one BW needs. (Sorry Nolan DK Returns for attribution)

[NeoNight1986]

as a note. being a reviewer does not require you to be a fan of the series, it also does not require you to have played the previous games. having said that. if you were not a fan of the series, never played the first two, the ending to ME3 doesnt seem all that bad. (i appologize for this) 

on that note i myself did hate the ending... just felt i needed to say that.

i also dont know if reviewers make it to the end all that much. many of them only have a short span of time to play as much as they can.

honestly there needs to be more game critiques than reviewers.

Modifié par NeoNight1986, 16 mars 2012 - 03:30 .

[Ardoreal]

Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...
It depend on how bad is the hated part entirely. How would you rate a pizza with a poo which is covering 10% of it and the rest almost perfect? 90% ? I don't think so, and most people would not too.

Q F T, I think this statement needs quoted and repeated as it succinctly expresses how many people are feeling.