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[Sentr0]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Honestly I trust professional reviewers more than fans. Fans review with emotion and they will bomb a game they don't like over a minor thing or they will praise a game as being absolutely perfect. Professional reviewers on the other hand will look at all the aspects of a game, look at what the dev is trying to accomplish and go from there. Professional reviewers are generaly smarter and more rational than fans are.

Keep trusting them... while myself will keep trusting the community

[thunderhawk862002]

Yes it sucks that I didn't get the ending that I wanted. What stings me the most is they advertise and promote the game by saying radically different endings, many different endings, multiple outcomes reflected by your choices. When 90% of the endings share the same ending movie that's a huge problem for me. It sounded like we would get something like Dragon Age: Origins. That's like saying Mass Effect 2 had a ridiculous amount of endings just because there's an infinite number of character combinations to save/ let die.

[Sevorast]

Game was fun, based on gameplay and story up to the final 30 or so minutes I would rate the game in the high 90/100 range. After the ending, I would rate the whole series about 20/100.

The reason for the huge drop in score is because all those points represented the choices I made, and their impact on the story. The ending invalidated the entire story, no matter how you try to spin it, if the ending we got it 'the end' then the story and everything it took to get there didn't mean a thing and may as well never have happened.

[Obrusnine]

FlyingCow371 wrote...

If reviewers didn't make it to the ending, then perfect scores are fairly understandable. It was an excellent game throughout most of the time spent playing it. So there's 25-30 hours of excellent content, then half an hour of terrible content. It would be somewhat difficult to combine those very different experiences into a single score... at first glance just looking at the time spent in game having fun vs. destruction of souls/hope, it's heavily in favor of good/fun times. The journey to the end was really excellent. But since the ending is such a critical time in the lasting impression anything leaves you with...it can impact replayability of ME3 and others in the series, enjoyment of ME3 multiplayer, books, potential DLC, music, it could even impact the enjoyment of talking to friends about the game. If when you remember it, you just think of how terrible one part of it was, and how close it came to a masterpiece, about how some pre-game interviews were lies...those things definitely can detract from the overall experience.

So yes, it is somewhat surprising that most of the reviews don't mention it. Although it's very possible that a lot of reviewers just don't make it to the end, or if they do they didn't care too much about what happens to the universe after the game is over; they were just busy writing something up before some deadlines. Plus it'd be hard to write about in a review without including too many spoilers. If they just said that it was a letdown, a lot of people probably wouldn't believe them on the strength of bioware's prior reputation. I know I didn't believe people when they first told me that finishing the game isn't worth it.

I know it affected replayability for me. I can't bring myself to play it through with the rest of my characters because I know how it ends.

[Almostfaceman]

Salvatore510 wrote...

An ending does not make a game, and despite most people not wanting to admit it, it's the best game in the series

You are quite clearly not paying attention to what people are actually saying. The majority love the game and hate the ending. This is being said over and over again. So please, before you make sweeping statements, do your research. Thanks.

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 15 mars 2012 - 11:35 .

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

I trust my peers more than reviewers.

[-Zorph-]

Stanley Woo, you do realize that the endings made me want to throw up in disgust, and a lot of people are in the same boat. They raised over $50,000 for Child's Play to raise awareness about how bad the endings are. While a handful of people may have digested the ending and moved on, the vast majority despise it. It's not something you can't just 'not like', (avoiding spoilers); it's just simply disconnected from the franchise for no reason.

[kbct]

I think a lot of us are more sceptical of professional reviews now. At least, I am. Waaaay too many perfect reviews.

[Texhnolyze101]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Perhaps they had no problem with the ending, and/or felt the endings did not detract from their game experience.

I doubt it.

[Texhnolyze101]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Or you know.. They actually loved the ending.

Nah they love the money there getting for saying they loved the ending.

[j78]

No conspiracy theories it boils down to dollar’s and cents E.A. keeps the lights on for a lot of these sites . They would go under without all the ad money the game companies give them . Game critics have to play nice or no exclusives or any of things we calmer for .

[Texhnolyze101]

Sentr0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Honestly I trust professional reviewers more than fans. Fans review with emotion and they will bomb a game they don't like over a minor thing or they will praise a game as being absolutely perfect. Professional reviewers on the other hand will look at all the aspects of a game, look at what the dev is trying to accomplish and go from there. Professional reviewers are generaly smarter and more rational than fans are.

Keep trusting them... while myself will keep trusting the community

^ This "professional" reviewers are nothing but trash and are getting paid to say how awesome games are they don't really care the reviews DA2 got and the tools at IGN prove this.

Modifié par 101ezylonhxeT, 15 mars 2012 - 11:43 .

[KotorEffect3]

Sentr0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Honestly I trust professional reviewers more than fans. Fans review with emotion and they will bomb a game they don't like over a minor thing or they will praise a game as being absolutely perfect. Professional reviewers on the other hand will look at all the aspects of a game, look at what the dev is trying to accomplish and go from there. Professional reviewers are generaly smarter and more rational than fans are.

Keep trusting them... while myself will keep trusting the community

I just don't trust fans, they don't even try to detach themselves emotionaly.  Even if you don't agree with the score the pro reviewer gives they will still go over both positives and criticisms of any title. 

[Plaguemaster]

Almostfaceman wrote...
You are quite clearly not paying attention to what people are actually saying. The majority love the game and hate the ending. This is being said over and over again. So please, before you make sweeping statements, do your research. Thanks.

I suggest you stop speaking for majority. Do your research. Thanks.

[Sentr0]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Sentr0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Honestly I trust professional reviewers more than fans. Fans review with emotion and they will bomb a game they don't like over a minor thing or they will praise a game as being absolutely perfect. Professional reviewers on the other hand will look at all the aspects of a game, look at what the dev is trying to accomplish and go from there. Professional reviewers are generaly smarter and more rational than fans are.

Keep trusting them... while myself will keep trusting the community

I just don't trust fans, they don't even try to detach themselves emotionaly.  Even if you don't agree with the score the pro reviewer gives they will still go over both positives and criticisms of any title. 

Arent you a fan too? Or maybe you're one of those "professional reviewers"... then i see your points

PS: fans = players

Modifié par Sentr0, 15 mars 2012 - 11:46 .

[Acidrain92]

Pretty sure the Gametrailers review made a few comments about the ending and how you have no overall effect on it and all that jazz.

Despite this they still gave it a good review. It must not have really mattered to them *shrugs*

[Duvel_Duvel]

Score are just evil anyway.. no way you can slap a number on a game, it's always arbitrary.

[Sentr0]

Acidrain92 wrote...

Pretty sure the Gametrailers review made a few comments about the ending and how you have no overall effect on it and all that jazz.

Despite this they still gave it a good review. It must not have really mattered to them *shrugs*

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[Altered Idol]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Sentr0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Honestly I trust professional reviewers more than fans. Fans review with emotion and they will bomb a game they don't like over a minor thing or they will praise a game as being absolutely perfect. Professional reviewers on the other hand will look at all the aspects of a game, look at what the dev is trying to accomplish and go from there. Professional reviewers are generaly smarter and more rational than fans are.

Keep trusting them... while myself will keep trusting the community

I just don't trust fans, they don't even try to detach themselves emotionaly.  Even if you don't agree with the score the pro reviewer gives they will still go over both positives and criticisms of any title. 

Thats because fans are paying customers and reviewers are paid to review games. Thats a massive difference.

Emotional attachment is what has made the Mass Effect franchise as big and successful as it is.

We've grown to love the characters, the lore, the setting etc.  Hell, the reaction to the ending is because fans are so attached to the game. So its hard to criticise someone for being emotionally attached to a game when its that very attachment which has driven the success of the series.

[Zanath]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Is that what the reviewer means by 100/100? Because I can think of several other ways to interpret a perfect score for a video game review:

- HOLY CRAP IT WAS SO FUN!
- the game is an exemplar of its genre
- everything the game was trying to accomplish, it did so
- the game is completely problem free
- the game is perfect
- the game has tremendous value for its price
- the positives of the whole game experience vastly outweighed the negatives

And depending on the site or publication's policies, it may or may not be possible to get a perfect score. not saying you're wrong, but I can think of other reasons a game might get a perfect (or high or low) score.

Oh please...
The titanic backlash at the endings is overwhelming enough to discount any possibility that every single of the reviewers were COINCIDENTALLY in the 3 or 5 % that actually liked them.

Even then, the game itself, while quite good, had still enough drawback before the crap hit the fan (auto-dialog, deus ex machina, feeling like a movie more than a game, the "one button does all" and the like) to not be "perfect".
It's not the first time we see a huge disconnect between reviewers and players, and each time it's when there is a AAA game and the reviewers give stellar reviews.

You insult us and our intelligence by trying to paint this disconnect as "objectivity".

[KotorEffect3]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Sentr0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Honestly I trust professional reviewers more than fans. Fans review with emotion and they will bomb a game they don't like over a minor thing or they will praise a game as being absolutely perfect. Professional reviewers on the other hand will look at all the aspects of a game, look at what the dev is trying to accomplish and go from there. Professional reviewers are generaly smarter and more rational than fans are.

Keep trusting them... while myself will keep trusting the community

^ This "professional" reviewers are nothing but trash and are getting paid to say how awesome games are they don't really care the reviews DA2 got and the tools at IGN prove this.

Yet they still brought up issues like recycled dungeons for example, you may not agree with the scores they give out but most professional reviewers will give an accurate description of any game they are reviewing they will mention both the good and the bad.  Where fans will only trash or praise a game and not even acknowledge a middle ground.

[2484Stryker]

Just curious here. I remember there being fan outcry when the Deception novel was released and then Bioware promised to edit it. Was there cynicism or attack from the mainstream reviewers/journalists on the fans for complaining?

It's just that a few gaming sites that I frequent, including DTOID, seem to exude this general feeling of disdain and disgust at the fact the we fans are complaining about the game ending.

[PaulSX]

the OXM review did mention the unsatisfactory endings

What really hurts is that both endings — the clearly marked Paragon and Renegade options (they’re even color-coded to make the difference abundantly clear!) — are 95% identical, which lessens the significance of the choices you’ve agonized over throughout the trilogy.

but they still gave the game 95%. I think the game deserve 9/10 even with the horrifying endings.

Modifié par suntzuxi, 15 mars 2012 - 11:50 .

[Acidrain92]

Sentr0 wrote...

Acidrain92 wrote...

Pretty sure the Gametrailers review made a few comments about the ending and how you have no overall effect on it and all that jazz.

Despite this they still gave it a good review. It must not have really mattered to them *shrugs*

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I take it you dislike the game? OH YOU MUST BE BOUGHT OFF BY BIOWARE'S COMPETITORS.

flawless logic.

[KotorEffect3]

Sentr0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Sentr0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Honestly I trust professional reviewers more than fans. Fans review with emotion and they will bomb a game they don't like over a minor thing or they will praise a game as being absolutely perfect. Professional reviewers on the other hand will look at all the aspects of a game, look at what the dev is trying to accomplish and go from there. Professional reviewers are generaly smarter and more rational than fans are.

Keep trusting them... while myself will keep trusting the community

I just don't trust fans, they don't even try to detach themselves emotionaly.  Even if you don't agree with the score the pro reviewer gives they will still go over both positives and criticisms of any title. 

Arent you a fan too? Or maybe you're one of those "professional reviewers"... then i see your points

PS: fans = players

Yes I am a fan and I don't expect people to take my review of any title that seriously.  Just like everyone else I have my likes and dislikes.  But I will say this I can acknowledge that any game I don't like can still be a good game.  I don't automaticaly condemn a game just because  it isn't my cup of tea.

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 15 mars 2012 - 11:51 .