451 réponses à ce sujet

[kbct]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I just don't trust fans, they don't even try to detach themselves emotionaly.  Even if you don't agree with the score the pro reviewer gives they will still go over both positives and criticisms of any title. 

I think the 1000+ fan reviews in the spoiler section do a pretty good job. A lot are very thoughtful and insightful. The terrible ending caused a number of reviewers the break the ME3 score into two scores - one for the game and one for the ending.

[NedPepper]

Caz Neerg wrote...

nedpepper wrote...
(They should answer for Day One DLC and the face importing issues....these are real issues... gamebreaking design and corporate greed issues...but the rest of this outcry just feels unhinged.)

So let me get this straight; because *you* care about Day One DLC and face importing, those are "real, gamebreaking issues," but because you don't think the ending is broken, people getting upset about that are "unhinged?"  Despite there clearly being tens of thousands more people expressing that opinion than are expressing yours, and many of those people feel the entire series has been broken, not just this game?

A couple things:

If you're going to fight a battle against a company, doesn't it make more sense to go after a giant bug import issue and the idea that Bioware is charging you for content that should be in the game?  Again, it's about picking your battles wisely.

And the second part...are you saying that a person that hated the entire series and yet continues to buy the games, play the games, and come to the forum and complain about them is not slightly strange?  That's what I mean by unhinged.  If  a person hates the whole series or believes "the entire series is broken", why  play the games?  To just make themselves angry?  Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, because otherwise you're proving my point.

I get people are upset about the endings.  But stores are subjective.  Always have been.  Glitches and marketing schemes...not so much.  And even with these, they have nothing to do with critical score about the quality iof a game. 

[AlienSpaceBats]

Very likely that a professional critic won't get to the end of the game, also likely that said critic won't be as emotionally invested as a ME fan, I mean to some people this franchise is their life, or a big part of it.
Best to listen to peers and other individuals. Critics are journalists and [swearing]

[NeitherNor]

Whether it's television, Facebook, Google, or free sites of any description, be it sports, news or games, the same rule applies: "if you're not paying for something, you're not the customer; you're the product being sold".

It's always a good idea to balance out so-called professional reviews with a good dose of actual player reviews and responses, or just listen to people you trust or of whom you know that you have similar tastes.

I was highly sceptical of Mass Effect 3, especially after playing the demo, but bought it when a trusted friend recommended it despite my reservations. Even though a lot of my earlier concerns were confirmed upon playing, she was right, it was generally good fun. I've spend €35 on other things and gotten less out of it more times than I'd want to recount.

[Esquin]

Stanley Woo wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

I understand that, but 100/100 would imply a perfect game and between the various bugs (import ones in particular) and slightly clunky mission/codex log, I wouldn't say the game is perfect (very good, but never perfect) And the subjective endings only add to that (many, many people actively hate them, and I know some who are not even big fans of the series and dislike it). 

Is that what the reviewer means by 100/100? Because I can think of several other ways to interpret a perfect score for a video game review:

- HOLY CRAP IT WAS SO FUN!
- the game is an exemplar of its genre
- everything the game was trying to accomplish, it did so
- the game is completely problem free
- the game is perfect
- the game has tremendous value for its price
- the positives of the whole game experience vastly outweighed the negatives

And depending on the site or publication's policies, it may or may not be possible to get a perfect score. not saying you're wrong, but I can think of other reasons a game might get a perfect (or high or low) score.

A perfect score means a perfect game. Thats the entire point of a scoring system. If the score is unrelated to the objective quality of the game then what use does it serve?

In any case the reviewers bias is clear. I thank you Stanley for being the only person from bioware with the balls to respond to the community. But kindly don't be so dismissive of genuine concerns. The ending was bad. Thats a fact. The bias of many critics is also an established fact. 

[thunderhawk862002]

nedpepper wrote...

Caz Neerg wrote...

nedpepper wrote...
(They should answer for Day One DLC and the face importing issues....these are real issues... gamebreaking design and corporate greed issues...but the rest of this outcry just feels unhinged.)

So let me get this straight; because *you* care about Day One DLC and face importing, those are "real, gamebreaking issues," but because you don't think the ending is broken, people getting upset about that are "unhinged?"  Despite there clearly being tens of thousands more people expressing that opinion than are expressing yours, and many of those people feel the entire series has been broken, not just this game?

A couple things:

If you're going to fight a battle against a company, doesn't it make more sense to go after a giant bug import issue and the idea that Bioware is charging you for content that should be in the game?  Again, it's about picking your battles wisely.

And the second part...are you saying that a person that hated the entire series and yet continues to buy the games, play the games, and come to the forum and complain about them is not slightly strange?  That's what I mean by unhinged.  If  a person hates the whole series or believes "the entire series is broken", why  play the games?  To just make themselves angry?  Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, because otherwise you're proving my point.

I get people are upset about the endings.  But stores are subjective.  Always have been.  Glitches and marketing schemes...not so much.  And even with these, they have nothing to do with critical score about the quality iof a game. 

Well it should if the game's advertising doesn't match the actual product. If Street Fighter X Tekken promised dozens of playable characters to choose from, but only 23 were playable without buying DLC shouldn't at least be mentioned in the review?  It doesn't matter if the game is the best game ever it still wasn't truthful about the product.

Modifié par thunderhawk862002, 15 mars 2012 - 11:55 .

[KotorEffect3]

kbct wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I just don't trust fans, they don't even try to detach themselves emotionaly.  Even if you don't agree with the score the pro reviewer gives they will still go over both positives and criticisms of any title. 

I think the 1000+ fan reviews in the spoiler section do a pretty good job. A lot are very thoughtful and insightful. The terrible ending caused a number of reviewers the break the ME3 score into two scores - one for the game and one for the ending.

I know I have been painting fans with a broad brush and my description doesn't fit into all of them but with fan reviews you have filter through the crap to sift out the well thought out reviews.  Not so much with most pro reviews as they will cover all the major aspects of a game and you can get an accurate description of the game with them even if you think the score is off.

[leafyFresh]

@Salvatore: It is completely relevant. An array of creative endings based on our decisions over the past 3 games would have made this game the epic masterpiece that it should have been.

[Raezaiel]

 the game is great, a lot of falling through the world but still great, the ending is failtacular.

[TheRealJayDee]

Obrusnine wrote...

Also, it's not a "gamebreaking issue" at all. I would've had no problem rebuilding my face if I had finished the series on PS3. As it was, I liked my PS3 head better and actually used the face code off of it (although it was very hard to read...) on my PC version. If you REALLY care THAT much about the face, then just use the face code from ME2. Most everything will be the same and you can fix it up if anything is wrong.

Maybe, just maybe you should educate yourself about the nature of this problem:
http://social.biowar...3/index/9661093

[Dormin]

When Halo 2 came out was the ending obliterated by critics? I'm not saying Halo's story is anywhere close to Mass Effect's but it did have the strongest story out of all the games imo. I ask because Halo is overrated by the vast majority of critics and if they were willing to critique the ending of that game then why isn't Mass Effect getting some harsh treatment over the current ending?

Modifié par Dormin, 16 mars 2012 - 12:02 .

[Arandar]

They gave the game a good review because aside from the endings the game is truly amazing. In the few days they had to review the game I highly doubt they got to the end of it. So they graded it based on how it played, graphics, etc.

To the guy above me:
Halo 2 we were more expecting to finish the fight we had no idea that there would be a 3rd or even 4th Halo title. So when we got a cliffhanger ending like that we were upset. Mass Effect 3's ending is not exactly a cliffhanger it gives SOME closure.

Modifié par Arandar, 16 mars 2012 - 12:04 .

[BuffPhantoms]

Sevorast wrote...

 I would rate the game in the high 90/100 range. After the ending, I would rate the whole series about 20/100.
 

And this ladies and gentlmen, is why we have professional reviewers.

He forgets that the games value was incredible for 30 hours, but possibly "crappy" for the last 5 minutes makes it a 20% rated game.


The game holds a 93% average from the top critics. Someones upset at this fact.

[KotorEffect3]

BuffPhantoms wrote...

Sevorast wrote...

 I would rate the game in the high 90/100 range. After the ending, I would rate the whole series about 20/100.
 

And this ladies and gentlmen, is why we have professional reviewers.

He forgets that the games value was incredible for 30 hours, but possibly "crappy" for the last 5 minutes makes it a 20% rated game.


The game holds a 93% average from the top critics. Someones upset at this fact.

Exactly this is why fan reveiws are untrustworthy. 

[Chuvvy]

Couldn't have anything to do with most of them having ads for the game plastered all over their site for months before release. I mean Kotaku has an animated ad with a click through to the EA store. Yeah, they're not going to be biased at all.

[KotorEffect3]

Slidell505 wrote...

Couldn't have anything to do with most of them having ads for the game plastered all over their site for months before release. I mean Kotaku has an animated ad with a click through to the EA store. Yeah, they're not going to be biased at all.

Still less biased than the majority of fan reviews.

[Sentr0]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Couldn't have anything to do with most of them having ads for the game plastered all over their site for months before release. I mean Kotaku has an animated ad with a click through to the EA store. Yeah, they're not going to be biased at all.

Still less biased than the majority of fan reviews.

:facepalm:

[kbct]

BuffPhantoms wrote...

Sevorast wrote...

 I would rate the game in the high 90/100 range. After the ending, I would rate the whole series about 20/100.
 

And this ladies and gentlmen, is why we have professional reviewers.

He forgets that the games value was incredible for 30 hours, but possibly "crappy" for the last 5 minutes makes it a 20% rated game.

The game holds a 93% average from the top critics. Someones upset at this fact.

What would you rate ME3 if it made you NOT want to play ME1, ME2, or ME3 again?

Modifié par kbct, 16 mars 2012 - 12:10 .

[AkiKishi]

Lets see....

You meet a really a hot girl, you have steamy sex for weeks. Then you find out she gave you an STD. Does that still make the "journey" worth it ?

[Aesieru]

Regardless of Stanley's views, we've had definitive and empirical evidence that GameSpot, IGN, Kohaku and several other reviewer sites are untrustworthy based on firing people who didn't rate high enough, rating games good when the entirety of the masses hated them, or by being paid ridiculous amounts of advertising revenue.

That being said, if Stanley is capable of ignoring such things, then he can no longer be taken as a valid source in the situation of reviewers and their ratings on games such as ME3.

[KotorEffect3]

Sentr0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Couldn't have anything to do with most of them having ads for the game plastered all over their site for months before release. I mean Kotaku has an animated ad with a click through to the EA store. Yeah, they're not going to be biased at all.

Still less biased than the majority of fan reviews.

:facepalm:

Fans let their hyperreactive entitlement issues cloud their judgment.

[KotorEffect3]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Lets see....

You meet a really a hot girl, you have steamy sex for weeks. Then you find out she gave you an STD. Does that still make the "journey" worth it ?

Analogy fails hard because you use extreme circumstances.

[kbct]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Lets see....

You meet a really a hot girl, you have steamy sex for weeks. Then you find out she gave you an STD. Does that still make the "journey" worth it ?

The answer is no.

[Aesieru]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Sentr0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Couldn't have anything to do with most of them having ads for the game plastered all over their site for months before release. I mean Kotaku has an animated ad with a click through to the EA store. Yeah, they're not going to be biased at all.

Still less biased than the majority of fan reviews.

:facepalm:

Fans let their hyperreactive entitlement issues cloud their judgment.

And in reaction, you just insult them, which is against the terms of service here.