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thunderhawk862002 wrote...

nedpepper wrote...

Caz Neerg wrote...

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(They should answer for Day One DLC and the face importing issues....these are real issues... gamebreaking design and corporate greed issues...but the rest of this outcry just feels unhinged.)


So let me get this straight; because *you* care about Day One DLC and face importing, those are "real, gamebreaking issues," but because you don't think the ending is broken, people getting upset about that are "unhinged?"  Despite there clearly being tens of thousands more people expressing that opinion than are expressing yours, and many of those people feel the entire series has been broken, not just this game?


A couple things:

If you're going to fight a battle against a company, doesn't it make more sense to go after a giant bug import issue and the idea that Bioware is charging you for content that should be in the game?  Again, it's about picking your battles wisely.

And the second part...are you saying that a person that hated the entire series and yet continues to buy the games, play the games, and come to the forum and complain about them is not slightly strange?  That's what I mean by unhinged.  If  a person hates the whole series or believes "the entire series is broken", why  play the games?  To just make themselves angry?  Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, because otherwise you're proving my point.

I get people are upset about the endings.  But stores are subjective.  Always have been.  Glitches and marketing schemes...not so much.  And even with these, they have nothing to do with critical score about the quality iof a game. 


Well it should if the game's advertising doesn't match the actual product. If Street Fighter X Tekken promised dozens of playable characters to choose from, but only 23 were playable without buying DLC shouldn't at least be mentioned in the review?  It doesn't matter if the game is the best game ever it still wasn't truthful about the product.



You may be surprisd, but I won't argue that point.  There is disconnect between EA marketing and Bioware's finished product.  It's becoming more and more prevalent with each new release.  I'm not sure what the answer to that is.  I said this before, the marriage between EA and Bioware is like a hippie artist and a corporate lawyer shacking up.  It's an odd relationship.  And if you really analyze and read between the lines, I think it's this odd relationship that began this hate and venom from the fanbase.  I, personally, can live with it as long as Bioware continues to push boundaries and go against the grain with their games.  Bioware has always tried to change the perception of storytelling in their video games.  This is nothing new.  And I hope all of this backlash won't change them, neuter them, and turn them into a company that makes mindless crap.  The gaming industry has enough of that on the shelves, thank you very much.  Again, say what you want about Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3...they told stories that weren't afraid to challenge you.

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BobSmith101 wrote...

Lets see....

You meet a really a hot girl, you have steamy sex for weeks. Then you find out she gave you an STD. Does that still make the "journey" worth it ?


lol nice one :)

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Analogy fails hard because you use extreme circumstances.


nope it's the same thing, if you cant answer that then you're wrong... plain simple

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 I would rate the game in the high 90/100 range. After the ending, I would rate the whole series about 20/100.
 

And this ladies and gentlmen, is why we have professional reviewers.

He forgets that the games value was incredible for 30 hours, but possibly "crappy" for the last 5 minutes makes it a 20% rated game.


The game holds a 93% average from the top critics. Someones upset at this fact.


I did not forget anything, but for me the ending of the game made me feel like I had literally wasted my time playing the game out for the sake of the story, how many hours I had invested, how much emotion I had invested how many times I had agonized over a choice... All invalidated by the ending of the game.

Still enjoying the multiplayer though, I really do enjoy the game mechanicaly, but the main point for me was always the story and I really feel that all that emotional investment was for nothing. Not because I don't like the ending because it wasn't what I had hoped for, but because it literally made every choice I ever made mean nothing.

If im rating the gameplay its still going to get a very high score, If im rating the story including the ending its going to get a very very low score. If I rate the story and discount the ending or if I treat the ending as some of the theories here on the forums would have me treat it then it once again gets a very high score. But taken as a whole, by me (somehow who always valued the story above anything else) the game, and series is a failure if the end was really how it all ends.

I will not accept an ending that goes against everything my Shepard stood for, an ending that makes my crewmates make decisions they never would have made, an ending that is full of space magic and an ending that is literally worse in every way for everyone involved than if Shepard had never tried to stop the Reapers at all. That is what we got, and ending that is worse for the galaxy than if the story of Commander Shepard and the crew of the Normanday had never been told.

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Aesieru wrote...

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Couldn't have anything to do with most of them having ads for the game plastered all over their site for months before release. I mean Kotaku has an animated ad with a click through to the EA store. Yeah, they're not going to be biased at all.



Still less biased than the majority of fan reviews.


:facepalm:



Fans let their hyperreactive entitlement issues cloud their judgment.


And in reaction, you just insult them, which is against the terms of service here.


I am not isulting anyone.  People have overreacted to 5 minutes of a 40 hour game and have blown things way out of proportion.

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Score are just evil anyway.. no way you can slap a number on a game, it's always arbitrary.


Not true... I feel critics have a VERY important job.

I have a very limited amount of money, as do most people on these forums, I'm sure.

There are a TON of games I'm intrested in, but I can only afford a few of them a year. I'm not always gonna go with my gut instinct when $60 is on the line. I have to turn to game feedback to make my choices.

Personally, I trust critic scores over user scores these days. ME3 is a perfect example of why. The vast majority of the game is fantastic, money well spent! Of course the game has, like, a 3 on metacritic... which is SO far off the mark... just gamers being arrogant a**hats.

Sadly I can't fully trust critics either. It's hard to believe that they are not imfluenced on some level by the fact companies like EA provide a HUGE source of their income via ads, even if it's a subconscious influence.

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Sentr0 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Lets see....

You meet a really a hot girl, you have steamy sex for weeks. Then you find out she gave you an STD. Does that still make the "journey" worth it ?


lol nice one :)

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Analogy fails hard because you use extreme circumstances.


nope it's the same thing, if you cant answer that then you're wrong... plain simple


The ending of ME 3 did not kill my xbox.  I can still go back and play other playthroughs of this and other games.  Try again.

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Aesieru wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

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Slidell505 wrote...

Couldn't have anything to do with most of them having ads for the game plastered all over their site for months before release. I mean Kotaku has an animated ad with a click through to the EA store. Yeah, they're not going to be biased at all.



Still less biased than the majority of fan reviews.


:facepalm:



Fans let their hyperreactive entitlement issues cloud their judgment.


And in reaction, you just insult them, which is against the terms of service here.



As you just did to Stanley Woo.  Take a breath, dude.

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

Sentr0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Couldn't have anything to do with most of them having ads for the game plastered all over their site for months before release. I mean Kotaku has an animated ad with a click through to the EA store. Yeah, they're not going to be biased at all.



Still less biased than the majority of fan reviews.


:facepalm:



Fans let their hyperreactive entitlement issues cloud their judgment.


You will defend bioware to the death won't you? Well, congrats, because you're the last one.

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I do think ME3 is the best ME game in the series but the ending kills replay value considering its been nearly a week now since I got ME3 and i haven't even completed my second play through.

the issue is the ending kills or motive to replay the game like Deus Ex: Human Revolution managed.

I think with it narrowed down too much really does destroy the experience because it does not feel like I accomplished that rather I got to the end so I can choose now.

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Lets see....

You meet a really a hot girl, you have steamy sex for weeks. Then you find out she gave you an STD. Does that still make the "journey" worth it ?



Analogy fails hard because you use extreme circumstances.


It illustrates quite nicely why some people feel the way they do about the endings. If the ending is a traumatic event then what happens before becomes part of it.

Personally the fact the endings are full of plot holes the size of trucks should be more than enough for any sane thinking person to condem them anyway.

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Slidell505 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Sentr0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Couldn't have anything to do with most of them having ads for the game plastered all over their site for months before release. I mean Kotaku has an animated ad with a click through to the EA store. Yeah, they're not going to be biased at all.



Still less biased than the majority of fan reviews.


:facepalm:



Fans let their hyperreactive entitlement issues cloud their judgment.


You will defend bioware to the death won't you? Well, congrats, because you're the last one.



And you will blindly bash them to death.  You always have.   I am just smart enough not to let 5 lousy minutes ruin 40 hours of gameplay.

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 16 mars 2012 - 12:26 .


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KotorEffect3 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Lets see....

You meet a really a hot girl, you have steamy sex for weeks. Then you find out she gave you an STD. Does that still make the "journey" worth it ?



Analogy fails hard because you use extreme circumstances.


It illustrates quite nicely why some people feel the way they do about the endings. If the ending is a traumatic event then what happens before becomes part of it.

Personally the fact the endings are full of plot holes the size of trucks should be more than enough for any sane thinking person to condem them anyway.

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The endings quite frankly were gamebreaking. How? For three games we've heard how our choices in the first would manifest in the second and those would be further reflected in the third. For three games we have played a role in race relations and individual character's lives. We were promised to see the final conclusion of all these stories. The whole series was built on choice and seeing the results after the third game. The ending smashed that to pieces.

Does it really matter for the Krogan race if you let Wrex live or die? Wreav makes the same decisions that Wrex does even though they differ wildly in their personality. If you can reach the same conclusion no matter what then why does it matter whether Wrex or Wreav leads. The only thing that could have made it matter would be an epilogue to tie everything up.

A perfect analogy would be the choosing Harrowmont over Bhelen in Dragon Age: Origins. If the game were to end right after the final battle there is little difference in choosing one over the other. The epilogue is what made it count. The fate of Orzammar is wildly different once the epilogue is finished.

So what good is the choice when it ultimately does not matter besides dialogue and EMS points? The whole premise of the franchise is broken with the ending.

Modifié par thunderhawk862002, 16 mars 2012 - 12:28 .


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BobSmith101 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Lets see....

You meet a really a hot girl, you have steamy sex for weeks. Then you find out she gave you an STD. Does that still make the "journey" worth it ?



Analogy fails hard because you use extreme circumstances.


It illustrates quite nicely why some people feel the way they do about the endings. If the ending is a traumatic event then what happens before becomes part of it.

Personally the fact the endings are full of plot holes the size of trucks should be more than enough for any sane thinking person to condem them anyway.



40 hours> 5 minutes.  It is called perspective.

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Lets see....

You meet a really a hot girl, you have steamy sex for weeks. Then you find out she gave you an STD. Does that still make the "journey" worth it ?



Analogy fails hard because you use extreme circumstances.


It illustrates quite nicely why some people feel the way they do about the endings. If the ending is a traumatic event then what happens before becomes part of it.

Personally the fact the endings are full of plot holes the size of trucks should be more than enough for any sane thinking person to condem them anyway.



40 hours> 5 minutes.  It is called perspective.


Only if you think an STD is worth it.

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Your std analogy fails. Those 5 minutes don't last longer than well 5 minutes. It doesn't have any long term effects on me. Either way the game is finished and it is either time to start a new playthrough, play another game, or turn off the xbox and do something else. Guess what that applies to every game out there.

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TomY90 wrote...

I do think ME3 is the best ME game in the series but the ending kills replay value considering its been nearly a week now since I got ME3 and i haven't even completed my second play through.


A lot of people feel this way it seems. How do you rate a game that ruins the replay value?

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BobSmith101 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Lets see....

You meet a really a hot girl, you have steamy sex for weeks. Then you find out she gave you an STD. Does that still make the "journey" worth it ?





Analogy fails hard because you use extreme circumstances.


It illustrates quite nicely why some people feel the way they do about the endings. If the ending is a traumatic event then what happens before becomes part of it.

Personally the fact the endings are full of plot holes the size of trucks should be more than enough for any sane thinking person to condem them anyway.



40 hours> 5 minutes.  It is called perspective.


Only if you think an STD is worth it.





depends on who the woman is. if it was halle berry than hell yes a std is worth it if i got to have a fling with her for one night

because at least i can say i slept with halle berry

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While bad endings don't wreck games they do ruin re-playability. I'd give m3 8/10 but it could have been a 9/10. I've already uninstalled it but I don't feel robbed just that I could have waited till it was on budget.

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

Your std analogy fails. Those 5 minutes don't last longer than well 5 minutes. It doesn't have any long term effects on me. Either way the game is finished and it is either time to start a new playthrough, play another game, or turn off the xbox and do something else. Guess what that applies to every game out there.


You clearly can't understand it. You think your values should apply to everyone, but they don't. People have been very traumatised by the ME3 endings to the point that the ending (STD) has not only put them off touching ME3 ever again (girl with STD) but also girls that look like her (ME1/2).

Now while I don't share the trauma I do understand what it means to those people. Which is why I presented it in a way that should be understandable to most of a certain age group.

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The ending is the biggest troll in gaming history, and reviewers were perpetuating the trolling platform

Honestly I just think it's because the critics take the game at face value, while everyone else got lost in the reality

Maybe bioware did not comprehend the effect the game has on people?

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KotorEffect3 wrote...
The ending of ME 3 did not kill my xbox.  I can still go back and play other playthroughs of this and other games.  Try again.

It's just nipicking, STD doesn't kills you most of the time.
Besides, the comparison can be changed a bit, like:
-Dating an hot girl then discover she is a shemale.
-Marrying a girl then getting divorced two years after just because she needed your money and your nationality, not your.
-Having a nice meal to discover in the end it was human flesh.
-Etcs...

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BobSmith101 wrote...

Lets see....

You meet a really a hot girl, you have steamy sex for weeks. Then you find out she gave you an STD. Does that still make the "journey" worth it ?


This! Lol, so funny and yet so true!

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Penny Arcade  peeps seem to have been okay with the endings and still loved the game. Most of the reasons they stated pretty much cover the issues people are having with it.

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Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...
It's just nipicking, STD doesn't kills you most of the time.
Besides, the comparison can be changed a bit, like:
-Dating an hot girl then discover she is a shemale.
-Marrying a girl then getting divorced two years after just because she needed your money and your nationality, not your.
-Having a nice meal to discover in the end it was human flesh.
-Etcs...


INTERESTING QUESTION you pose there. i will counter with:

who would you have sex with: ron perlman with a vagina, or scarlet johanson with a penis?

Modifié par phouria, 16 mars 2012 - 12:46 .