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[Quercus]

Description:
The rogue has a keen eye for weak spots, and thus gains a bonus to critical chance for all attacks. Additionally, if the rogue's cunning score is greater than strength, sharpness of mind lets the character use the cunning modifier to affect attack damage in place of the strength modifier.

So, if I correctly understand it means that I can simply drop Strenght, cause with this skill all the melee dmg I make with attacks and skills will be calculated with the Cunning stat?

[hexaligned]

It depends on what the str requirement will be for whatever armor you want to wear, I wouldn't just ignore str completely I don't think.

[Sakarakas]

Looks like it, yeah =)



Though I would assume accuracy is still governed your strength score, since the skill only mentions attack *damage*. So abandoning Strength completely might not be advisable

[Quercus]

Got a point there, totaly forgot about armor and weapons for that matter.

I hope there is a way to check that beforehand, would kinda suck when you come across an armour or weapon you cant wear because your str is to low. Or when your str is to high, which will crap up your min/maxing.

Also, the character creation didnt say you need str to increase your hit rate, but dex.

Modifié par Shiroukai, 13 octobre 2009 - 09:47 .

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

It does say ''nearly as critical for rogues''. Maybe a rogue with a really big sword?

[Quercus]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

It does say ''nearly as critical for rogues''. Maybe a rogue with a really big sword?

That did got me kinda wondering, cause of this skill.

Duel Weapon Mastery:
Only a chosen few truly master the complicated art of fighting with two weapons, but the character is now among that elite company, able to wield full-sized weapons in both hands. Stamina costs for all dual-weapon talents are also reduced.

Able to wield full-sized weapons, this could mean that your able to wield 2 two-handed weapons, although I doubt it.

[Sheylan]

Maybe its broken up into small large and medium weapons...



Small weapons(daggers, short swords) can be DW from start, medium weaps can be used with a shield from the start or DW with the talent, large weapons are 2h only?

[Tyrax Lightning]

I wonder if Lethality is gonna put NWN1's Weapon Finesse to shame, or be a rogue 'must have', or if some rogue builds will work without it?

[Arken_Magus]

Is there going to be any respecs in the game?

[Quercus]

No, but I wouldnt be suprised if such a mod will be created.

[Tarreth]

I wonder how a respec mod would actually work; if there isn't already programming in the main game for it, then you'd have to presumably knock the character's level down to 1 and then provide the same number of exp, or...



"muses"

[soteria]

Well, as I understand, daggers and bows use dexterity for accuracy instead of strength, so if you picked up lethality and used daggers, you wouldn't need much strength at all. I'm guessing the final dual wield talent is talking about using two full-sized swords, which you'll still want strength to use.

[AlexAmmr]

well 2 swords on a rogue suck , dagger and sword suck as much , best build for rogue is Str / Dex and 18 or 22 Cun max with 1h Axe and off hand Dagger . Let the priest open up the chests and detect traps . besides the best part of Lethality skill is the increases of the crit rate on all ur attacks , the swap Cun per Str is douche imo unless ur a gimp rogue with 2 daggers that rather open chests and disarm traps then kik some azz , if thats ur game u better off with a bow or xbow. besides with patch dw dex rogues get nerfed and dmg will be influenced by dex , str + base attack.

and yes finnest rogue armor as a high str req. so you need to boost it

[mastorofpuppetz]

They guy above id a moron, dual weilding rogue kicks arse. Learn to play riogue before spewing that garbage.

[Ranik15]

AlexAmmr wrote...

well 2 swords on a rogue suck , dagger and sword suck as much , best build for rogue is Str / Dex and 18 or 22 Cun max with 1h Axe and off hand Dagger . Let the priest open up the chests and detect traps . besides the best part of Lethality skill is the increases of the crit rate on all ur attacks , the swap Cun per Str is douche imo unless ur a gimp rogue with 2 daggers that rather open chests and disarm traps then kik some azz , if thats ur game u better off with a bow or xbow. besides with patch dw dex rogues get nerfed and dmg will be influenced by dex , str + base attack.
and yes finnest rogue armor as a high str req. so you need to boost it

STR needed is 20 max for the best light armor, and the problem that makes daggers suck is how DEX isn't being applied for damage purposes at all, and it's going to be fixed in an upcoming patch.

[Pyrusx]

Most str you'll ever need (dual longsword or axe of top tier) is 31. A bunch of this can be achieved with stat boosts though. And there's +3 str in the fade I believe.

[vyvexthorne]

My rogue has a strength of 26.. I was raising it thinking I would eventually try to dual wield long swords or something and then I decided I didn't need to... My rogue/assassin/duelist has the highest kill rate of anybody in the group and the highest defense. All while wearing light armor and duel wielding daggers .. and i've only just started working on my duel wield talents.. I have no assassin talents yet.. I've filled out my duelist and all my rogue talents. I just found the tier 6 dagger of thorns or whatever.. I'm hoping I'll find the tier 7 rose of thorns.. (I don't know the daggers names.) But if not I know where to buy it.

There really are a lot of complaints about the bugged daggers not basing off of dex.. but I've really never had a problem using them.

[DA CidALMIGHTY]

So what about BOW? Bow go by Dex so Lethality pointless?

[Alternategray]

DA CidALMIGHTY wrote...

So what about BOW? Bow go by Dex so Lethality pointless?

Depends. Longbows use strength to calculate damage, so lethality works well for an archer using a longbow- as long as they have a high Cunning score, of course. Can't see any benefit to having Lethality while using a shortbow.

Supposedly the best-damage archer build uses Lethality with longbows and high cunning- may be true, I had Leliana use a shortbow my first run through. Damage wasn't all that great. On my second run through I did the Lethality build with her, and she frequently one-shots mages with Arrow of Slaying before I can touch them with my rogue. Only drawback is, you have to use buffs to up your Attack rating, if you pump most of your points into Cunning instead of Dexterity.

[Looy]

Sakarakas wrote...
Though I would assume accuracy is still governed your strength score, since the skill only mentions attack *damage*. So abandoning Strength completely might not be advisable

But Dex contributes to attack rating by the same amount, which if your a rogue is more important, you need about 20-25 str for decent weapons/armor though.

[Aezeal]

why axe dagger.. why not a good sword with that same dagger? Or are you just refering to taht one expensive axe the camp merchant has? not that you really need different stats for axe/dagger or sword/dagger

[Serenity84]

Axes have a slightly higher armor penetration than swords. It's noticeable if you fight armored opponents. And there some other very good axes around like Aodh and Bloodline

[Solwen_Polyhymnia]

I refer you all to thread by Discobird who did an amazing detailed analysis of rogue damage.



http://social.biowar...66/index/223777



If you have the dex hot fix, pure dex dagger/dagger build look good for damage build. If you don't and have lethality cunning dagger/dagger is very good. Either way dagger/dagger is great for a rogue although lethality is a must for any cunning build.



To answer the OP question, lethality substitute your cunning for strength in calculating damage but does not increase your attack rating. So a cunning base build need to get to hit bonus from elsewhere. A mage with the right spell can do it but that takes a fair deal of micromanagement. A champion with Rally can do it if you are standing within his aura. A bard can do it or if you are a bard you can do it with Song of Courage (but it's to hit buff is less than that of Rally or a Duelist.) Become a Duelist and you can do it if you have the Dueling talent (which is very conveniently is the first talent on the tree vs Song of Courage which is a tier3 talent.)

[OneBadAssMother]

STR does add to damage - as long as the CUN attribute is higher, we've never tested this much however. We just know STR adds to CUN damage - allows for some serious backstabs.

[Jsmith0730]

I'm curious if lethality is worth taking for a str rogue for the crit chance bonus.



I'm going to have enough talent points left over to either go for Lethality or Cripple on my Axe/Dagger rogue and not sure which tree would be more beneficial.



Keeping in mind I'm building him as more of a light armored finesse fighter than a sneaky/utility type.