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[rbrown81]

Great list of twitter posts, thank you for sharing!

[UrdnotGrunty2]

Its really hard to hope after that app...But until we get a straight answer if there will be an ending DLC or not I will hold the line!

[Arbiter156]

We're not dead yet, admiral white of the UK navy reporting in... the fleet was caught by the final hours explosion and some didn't make it.

WERE NOT THROUGH YET, I SUPPORT THE INDOCT THEORY AND WE WILL HOLD THE DAMN LINE BECAUSE WE ARE THE UK NAVY, THE TOUGHNEST AND DEADLIEST SONS OF ****ES IN SPACE!!!!

[Trobon18]

Hashbeth wrote...

We need a thread reminding us about hope.

Right now we are fighting over semantics. We are saying they scrapped this theory or that based solely on the fact they scrapped one plan to do it without the UI (no mention of actually scrapping the idea). We are saying that they won't put out "post-ending" DLC (when the Stargazer at the end of the ME3 game is centuries in the future, so putting out DLC that happens in the past would still occur before that).

We are fighting with eachother. Final Hours is tearing us apart. Don't fight your brothers and sisters! Help the children, donate, and Hold the Line!

No we don't need hope. Hope makes people look at twitter messages like that and ignore that we're being blown off. Hope is making us blind to their PR dodges. We don't need people thinking that them saying no post-ending DLC meant no post-stargazer DLC because its obviously not what they meant. We need people to understand what Bioware is thinking right now and to try and change their minds.

That's the only way we can get through. As it stands the end is the end. If you don't like it then try and get them to change it.

[-Zorph-]

There is just too much evidence supporting indoc theory (or it you don't support that specific theory, at least that the ending was not all it seemed to be). From Anderson beating Shepard to the console even though he stated he was behind him, to the blood disappearing on Shepard's arm when he went up the lift (which was a magic lift, at that), to him being in space without breathing equipment, it all just adds up to being an illusion of some kind.

Not to mention the comments from Kaiden in ME1 and James in ME3 about a 'Hum', even mentioned in the codex as a sign of indoctrination. Shepard's been exposed to so much Reaper tech and what-not over the course of his live(s), it just makes sense.

Hold the line. BioWare hears us.

[UrdnotGrunty2]

Hopefully we can make Bioware see reason, we dont just want one plot holed filled bad ending. We want a happy ending that makes sense and provides closure, a bad one that does the same, a bittersweet one that does the same, a heroic death one that does the same, maybe even a Shepard cowards out that does the same.

And make our choices matter!

Hold the line!

[Hashbeth]

Trobon18 wrote...

Hashbeth wrote...

We need a thread reminding us about hope.

Right now we are fighting over semantics. We are saying they scrapped this theory or that based solely on the fact they scrapped one plan to do it without the UI (no mention of actually scrapping the idea). We are saying that they won't put out "post-ending" DLC (when the Stargazer at the end of the ME3 game is centuries in the future, so putting out DLC that happens in the past would still occur before that).

We are fighting with eachother. Final Hours is tearing us apart. Don't fight your brothers and sisters! Help the children, donate, and Hold the Line!

No we don't need hope. Hope makes people look at twitter messages like that and ignore that we're being blown off. Hope is making us blind to their PR dodges. We don't need people thinking that them saying no post-ending DLC meant no post-stargazer DLC because its obviously not what they meant. We need people to understand what Bioware is thinking right now and to try and change their minds.

That's the only way we can get through. As it stands the end is the end. If you don't like it then try and get them to change it.

I must disagree. Whatever theory you subscribe to, whatever you think, we need to hope that we can make them change their minds AND do some good in the process. Today I've seen frustration turn to anger, and it depresses me greatly. We can't give up yet; at the very least, there's still a lot more good we can do! Hold the Line!

[-Zorph-]

Trobon18 wrote...

Hashbeth wrote...

We need a thread reminding us about hope.

Right now we are fighting over semantics. We are saying they scrapped this theory or that based solely on the fact they scrapped one plan to do it without the UI (no mention of actually scrapping the idea). We are saying that they won't put out "post-ending" DLC (when the Stargazer at the end of the ME3 game is centuries in the future, so putting out DLC that happens in the past would still occur before that).

We are fighting with eachother. Final Hours is tearing us apart. Don't fight your brothers and sisters! Help the children, donate, and Hold the Line!

No we don't need hope. Hope makes people look at twitter messages like that and ignore that we're being blown off. Hope is making us blind to their PR dodges. We don't need people thinking that them saying no post-ending DLC meant no post-stargazer DLC because its obviously not what they meant. We need people to understand what Bioware is thinking right now and to try and change their minds.

That's the only way we can get through. As it stands the end is the end. If you don't like it then try and get them to change it.

Excuse me sir, but if you are going to be so negative in a thread dedicated to those who have hope and are looking at the future with optimism, not pessimism, why are you posting here? Why attempt to bring us down just because you are so pessimistic?

I understand where you are coming from, but those 'PR dodges' are completely justified (IMO) because the game just came out. Priestly even explicitly stated the fact that they have answers to our questions and will talk about the endings once more people have beat the game. Why would he (or any other BioWare employee at that, as he is 'representing' them in this case) feel the need to wait to talk about it for other people if there wasn't something he wanted to reveal or explain to a further extent than a simple discussion. If he was just to comment on the actual events of the ending, he'd do so now because this is a Spoilers Allowed section of the forum, and 99% of the threads here on the ending of the game.  He shouldn't feel like he is spoiling anything for those that haven't beat it that others already wouldn't be spoiling, unless he had more to say than we currently know.

Thanks all for the optimism

[GREYSpartan1]

Got bored made this from Kirrahe's Speech take it as you will.

You all know the mission and what’s at stake
I have come to trust each of you with this task
But I have also heard murmurs of discontent
I share your concerns
We are simple forum members
We have enjoyed mass effect for years
But the records are sealed
Mass effects ending must be changed
Think of other games that have been changed through player feedback
The outrage with fallout 3 ending, corrected by broken steel dlc
Or the fact that in the past some game developers have listened to the online communities idea
These examples may not give us solace for the battle we face today but we still have hope
Before mass effect 3’s ending we loved this franchise.
Before the mainstreaming of games there were us the die-hard fans
Our influence gave us back our mass effect Love interests in ME3
But before that we held the line
Our influence helped drive the ME 2 DLC
But before that we held the line
Our influence will give us the endings mass effect 3 deserves
On the battle today we will HOLD THE LINE!

[-Zorph-]

GREYSpartan1 wrote...

Got bored made this from Kirrahe's Speech take it as you will.

You all know the mission and what’s at stake
I have come to trust each of you with this task
But I have also heard murmurs of discontent
I share your concerns
We are simple forum members
We have enjoyed mass effect for years
But the records are sealed
Mass effects ending must be changed
Think of other games that have been changed through player feedback
The outrage with fallout 3 ending, corrected by broken steel dlc
Or the fact that in the past some game developers have listened to the online communities idea
These examples may not give us solace for the battle we face today but we still have hope
Before mass effect 3’s ending we loved this franchise.
Before the mainstreaming of games there were us the die-hard fans
Our influence gave us back our mass effect Love interests in ME3
But before that we held the line
Our influence helped drive the ME 2 DLC
But before that we held the line
Our influence will give us the endings mass effect 3 deserves
On the battle today we will HOLD THE LINE!

Tad bit corny and would be cooler if it was poetic, but still awesome nonetheless! 

[Trobon18]

Hashbeth wrote...

I must disagree. Whatever theory you subscribe to, whatever you think, we need to hope that we can make them change their minds AND do some good in the process. Today I've seen frustration turn to anger, and it depresses me greatly. We can't give up yet; at the very least, there's still a lot more good we can do! Hold the Line!

There's a difference between hoping we can change their minds and what people are doing. We can't place faith in Bioware. We can't trust their twitter dodges. We can't believe its part of a plan. We have to have faith in the community. The Liara romance in LotSB came because people in the community pushed for it, not because people had faith in Bioware to make it happen.

All of these twitter posts, the whole indoc threory, the vague promises. They all ammount to nothing. We need to keep focus on gettting them to change things if that's what we want.

[GREYSpartan1]

i was really bored! and Kirrahe's speech by itself was corny anyway. granted i didnt help any

Modifié par GREYSpartan1, 15 mars 2012 - 11:24 .

[DarkSpider88]

Even though quotes from app sapped a little of that hope I will hold the line, until they say these are endings period or say okay we will make dlc to expand upon the ending.

Hope never dies!

[CraniumBeavers]

The ****ty endings and all the glorious fight all you guys have put up combined with BioWare's unbelieavably ignorant and disheartening replies as of late somehow brought to mind what Elrond said to Arwen about Aragorn: 

"And there will be no comfort for you,
no comfort to ease the pain of his passing.
He will come to death,
an image of the splendor of the kings of Men
in glory undimmed before the breaking of the world.

But you, my daughter,
you will linger on in darkness and in doubt, 
as nightfall in winter that comes without a star.

Here you will dwell bound to your grief,
under the fading trees,
until all the world is changed and the long years of your life are utterly spent."

But that's just me being dramatic.

Modifié par CraniumBeavers, 15 mars 2012 - 11:24 .

[Trobon18]

-Zorph- wrote...

Trobon18 wrote...

Hashbeth wrote...

We need a thread reminding us about hope.

Right now we are fighting over semantics. We are saying they scrapped this theory or that based solely on the fact they scrapped one plan to do it without the UI (no mention of actually scrapping the idea). We are saying that they won't put out "post-ending" DLC (when the Stargazer at the end of the ME3 game is centuries in the future, so putting out DLC that happens in the past would still occur before that).

We are fighting with eachother. Final Hours is tearing us apart. Don't fight your brothers and sisters! Help the children, donate, and Hold the Line!

No we don't need hope. Hope makes people look at twitter messages like that and ignore that we're being blown off. Hope is making us blind to their PR dodges. We don't need people thinking that them saying no post-ending DLC meant no post-stargazer DLC because its obviously not what they meant. We need people to understand what Bioware is thinking right now and to try and change their minds.

That's the only way we can get through. As it stands the end is the end. If you don't like it then try and get them to change it.

Excuse me sir, but if you are going to be so negative in a thread dedicated to those who have hope and are looking at the future with optimism, not pessimism, why are you posting here? Why attempt to bring us down just because you are so pessimistic?

I understand where you are coming from, but those 'PR dodges' are completely justified (IMO) because the game just came out. Priestly even explicitly stated the fact that they have answers to our questions and will talk about the endings once more people have beat the game. Why would he (or any other BioWare employee at that, as he is 'representing' them in this case) feel the need to wait to talk about it for other people if there wasn't something he wanted to reveal or explain to a further extent than a simple discussion. If he was just to comment on the actual events of the ending, he'd do so now because this is a Spoilers Allowed section of the forum, and 99% of the threads here on the ending of the game.  He shouldn't feel like he is spoiling anything for those that haven't beat it that others already wouldn't be spoiling, unless he had more to say than we currently know.

Thanks all for the optimism

They're trying to get people to lose focus. If they delay more people will stop caring and move on. More people will ignore it.. The media will drop us. That's why..

Optimism is nice, but it doesn't keep people focused on the goal. If you just put faith in Bioware then its no different than having faith that ME 3 would end better than it did. We need to accept that they don't plan on giving us what we are believing they will and show them that we disagree with that.

[qdust]

I will hold the line, but I'm not holding out much hope

[bdiddy2012]

holding the line as string as i can, iv recuited 9 of friends to hold the line too. we all have also agreed on a boycott on bioware till they either give a real statement reguarding the ending or they give us the ending. but it better be free or there is a good chance none of us will play a bioware game ever agian

[-Zorph-]

Trobon18 wrote...

Hashbeth wrote...

I must disagree. Whatever theory you subscribe to, whatever you think, we need to hope that we can make them change their minds AND do some good in the process. Today I've seen frustration turn to anger, and it depresses me greatly. We can't give up yet; at the very least, there's still a lot more good we can do! Hold the Line!

There's a difference between hoping we can change their minds and what people are doing. We can't place faith in Bioware. We can't trust their twitter dodges. We can't believe its part of a plan. We have to have faith in the community. The Liara romance in LotSB came because people in the community pushed for it, not because people had faith in Bioware to make it happen.

All of these twitter posts, the whole indoc threory, the vague promises. They all ammount to nothing. We need to keep focus on gettting them to change things if that's what we want.

I still have faith in BioWare. Despite the ending to ME3 currently in the game, despite Dragon Age 2, it's a solid game development studio with (99% of the time) great stories in their games.

Sure the ending to ME3 was bad and riddled with plot holes, but analyzing it there is just too much evidence supporting alternative theories. Some of the tweets I posted in the OP are clear that they want to say more but are holding back until more beat the game. It is clear they want to spit something out and it's hard for them to. They even say "hang in there" that more is going to be said on the endings. That App means nothing in the grand scheme of things, and in a way it supports the indoc theory among other things. Even if it wasn't originally intended to have it be a indoc moment at the end of ME3, listening to the community reaction will make them develop DLC to make that a reality; because of the amount of people passionate about it it will surely mean mass appeal to it.

Despite the fact you lost hope for unknown reasons against all the apparent evidence, most of us haven't.

Hold the line.

Modifié par -Zorph-, 15 mars 2012 - 11:28 .

[VinBron]

It's kind of funny. We're in the same emotional situation as our
Shepards.
The odds of victory/happiness are low and only our hope let us
continue the fight.

I must say this thread really gave me new energy. thx

Shall our "shields of hope" never crumble under the pressure of desperation!!! HOLD THE LINE MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!! HOLD THE LINE!!

Modifié par VinBron, 15 mars 2012 - 11:36 .

[Hashbeth]

Below is a speech that I think sums up my feelings on hope and ME3.

The day is called April 11th.
Those who fight with us til that day, and help the children
Shall stand a tip-toe when the day is named
And rouse their neighbors in the name of narrative.
And they that fight with us til that day
Shall strip their sleeves and show their scars and say:
“These wounds I had from ME3’s ending.”

Old men forget, yet all shall be forgot,
But we’ll remember, with advantages,
What good we did that day.
Then shall these names, familiar in our mouths as household words –
Liara, Garrus, Tali, Shepard...
Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb’red.
Our work shall help sick children,
And April 11th shall not go by until they, in this, shall be remembered.

We few, we happy few, we band of siblings;
For those who fight until that day shall be my siblings,
Be they ne’er so vile this day shall gentle their condition.
And nay-sayers and haters on the net;
Shall think themselves ashamed they were not here;
And hold their play-throughs cheap whilst any speaks,
Who fought with us until that glorious day.

Hold the Line!

(I’d like to give a shout out to my good friend Billy Shakes, for helping me with this message)

[-Zorph-]

VinBron wrote...

It's kind of funny. We're in the same emotional situation as our
Shepards.
The odds of victory/happiness are low and only our hope let us
continue the fight.

I must say this thread really gave me new energy. thx

Shall our "shields of hope" never crumble under the pressure of desperation!!! HOLD THE LINE MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!! HOLD THE LINE!!

Agreed. And no problem! 

[Traderjoeeeee]

Holding Line

[NA1]

I'm at the 5th stage of grief.

Depression con't.

I could use a little hope.

[christrek1982]

thanks for making this thread i have hope again I just hope sothing comes soon some word a responce

[GREYSpartan1]

Hashbeth wrote...

Below is a speech that I think sums up my feelings on hope and ME3.

The day is called April 11th.
Those who fight with us til that day, and help the children
Shall stand a tip-toe when the day is named
And rouse their neighbors in the name of narrative.
And they that fight with us til that day
Shall strip their sleeves and show their scars and say:
“These wounds I had from ME3’s ending.”

Old men forget, yet all shall be forgot,
But we’ll remember, with advantages,
What good we did that day.
Then shall these names, familiar in our mouths as household words –
Liara, Garrus, Tali, Shepard...
Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb’red.
Our work shall help sick children,
And April 11th shall not go by until they, in this, shall be remembered.

We few, we happy few, we band of siblings;
For those who fight until that day shall be my siblings,
Be they ne’er so vile this day shall gentle their condition.
And nay-sayers and haters on the net;
Shall think themselves ashamed they were not here;
And hold their play-throughs cheap whilst any speaks,
Who fought with us until that glorious day.

Hold the Line!

(I’d like to give a shout out to my good friend Billy Shakes, for helping me with this message)

lol better than mine!  good job