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I think they were just short for time or something. I wish this had not happened this way.

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Hours ago I was 100% for cliffhanger and praising Bioware for they're brilliance in keeping us hanging and I was waiting for the DLC or patch or whatever that was going to bring us our true ending.
Then came "The Final Hours".
Now...what does it matter?
The documentary is what it is and states what Bioware was thinking.
Now I'm just numb.
I don't even want to trade my ME series in. I just want to throw it all in the trash.
God, this is depressing.

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elferin91 wrote...

Yea trilogy should definitly end with a cliffhanger


Halo 3 Legendary Ending, but then again, Halo 4 is being made, so...

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It would be a brilliant cliffhanger if they released a statement stating so. All they are doing right now is throwing dry leaves into a forest fire. It's just getting worse and worse for them.

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I stuck with the original mandate of wiping out the Reapers and was ‘rewarded’ with what I perceived to be a pretty confusing and entirely unsatisfactory end cinematic. It made me sad. Having since taken stock, it's worth noting that, given the right set of circumstances, selecting one of those 3 possible end choices slants things in a completely different direction (and one that makes better sense of all possible endings).

So, to answer the question: I’m cautiously optimistic that the ending to ME3 will turn out to be inspired.

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Bioware managed to ruin and entire Trilogy in less time than it takes to deliver a pizza.

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Bad writing.

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Everything after Anderson's death is bad writing.

Bioware wouldn't risk ending their most anticipated game - the conclusion to one of their most critically successful franchise and possibly most commercially successful franchise - on a cliffhanger. It makes no sense no matter how you think about it.

Bad writing, I can believe. The vast bulk of the 100 hour or so trilogy is brilliantly written - it was inevitable that not all of it would live up to the incredible standard Bioware is very capable of. That the last part of the ending is where they fell down isn't that surprising - this is where the writers would've had the most pressure to do well, and so chances are the writers wouldn't agree on which road to take. Thus an unsatisfying ending that feels rushed and out of place.

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If indoc theory is true and dlc/expansion is incoming, brilliant.

If not, well Bioware is ****ed. 

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Apocsapel91 wrote...

elferin91 wrote...

Yea trilogy should definitly end with a cliffhanger


Halo 3 Legendary Ending, but then again, Halo 4 is being made, so...

But Halo 3 wrapped up its story - the Covenant are no longer a threat to humanity and the threat of the Flood is gone.

If ME3's ending is a cliffhanger, then the story isn't finished. The Reapers are still alive, and Earth is still under their control.

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Doctor Moustache wrote...

If indoc theory is true and dlc/expansion is incoming, brilliant.

If not, well Bioware is ****ed. 


I don't think that the former excuses poor writing. As much as Final Hours seems to dismiss it, it would basically mean that "brilliant" equates to launching an unfinished product and patching it up later, possibly even selling the real ending back to us. It also means that they didn't do a very good job of presenting it, but again, the notes suggest they started out with that idea and scrapped it.


IMO, this is anything but brilliant, unless you're using it like James Lipton.

Modifié par GBGriffin, 15 mars 2012 - 11:21 .


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Dark Wyn wrote...

Hours ago I was 100% for cliffhanger and praising Bioware for they're brilliance in keeping us hanging and I was waiting for the DLC or patch or whatever that was going to bring us our true ending.
Then came "The Final Hours".
Now...what does it matter?
The documentary is what it is and states what Bioware was thinking.
Now I'm just numb.
I don't even want to trade my ME series in. I just want to throw it all in the trash.
God, this is depressing.

What do they say in it?

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 Just a bad ending...

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Candidate 88766 wrote...

Apocsapel91 wrote...

elferin91 wrote...

Yea trilogy should definitly end with a cliffhanger


Halo 3 Legendary Ending, but then again, Halo 4 is being made, so...

But Halo 3 wrapped up its story - the Covenant are no longer a threat to humanity and the threat of the Flood is gone.

If ME3's ending is a cliffhanger, then the story isn't finished. The Reapers are still alive, and Earth is still under their control.


Also unlike Halo, Shepard isn't as important as Master Chief is it's own story. ME has bigger focus on decisions, consequnces and people around him. Though don't get me wrong, he is important, but minority cares if he's dead or alive. His/her story had to end one way or another, but not like this :/

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Answered this a million times.
Bad joke. Like "EDI-bad" joke.

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Fjordgnu wrote...

Palpatine is sending lightning through Luke.

Darth Vader looks to Luke, looks to Palpatine.

Credits roll.

Actually, I'm kidding. That would be a lot better than this - no joke.


No, it would only be better in the Blu-rays. The originals have that scene down. No words, beyond Luke's pain. Vader makes the decision, his son before anything else. Bam, redemption, resolution.

There is no resolution in ME 3.

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Not bad writing. ATROCIOUS writing.

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Candidate 88766 wrote...

Dark Wyn wrote...

Hours ago I was 100% for cliffhanger and praising Bioware for they're brilliance in keeping us hanging and I was waiting for the DLC or patch or whatever that was going to bring us our true ending.
Then came "The Final Hours".
Now...what does it matter?
The documentary is what it is and states what Bioware was thinking.
Now I'm just numb.
I don't even want to trade my ME series in. I just want to throw it all in the trash.
God, this is depressing.

What do they say in it?


More of less they stick by their guns.  The endings were as they were intended to be.
I hope something happens soon, but I doubt it.  Not after THAT.

Sorry for my mood, but I really don't think I can talk about it anymore.  
Makes me sick.

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elferin91 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Apocsapel91 wrote...

elferin91 wrote...

Yea trilogy should definitly end with a cliffhanger


Halo 3 Legendary Ending, but then again, Halo 4 is being made, so...

But Halo 3 wrapped up its story - the Covenant are no longer a threat to humanity and the threat of the Flood is gone.

If ME3's ending is a cliffhanger, then the story isn't finished. The Reapers are still alive, and Earth is still under their control.


Also unlike Halo, Shepard isn't as important as Master Chief is it's own story. ME has bigger focus on decisions, consequnces and people around him. Though don't get me wrong, he is important, but minority cares if he's dead or alive. His/her story had to end one way or another, but not like this :/

Shepard's ending isn't that bad if you ask me - giving his life to save the galaxy is something both paragon and renegade Shepard would do in a heartbeat. A paragon would sacrifice themselves if it meant saving trillions, and a renegade is willing to whatever it takes to win - if that means death, then so be it.

It may be a bit depressing, but I think Shepard's story ends well. He was brought back from the dead to end the threat of the Reapers, and with that threat gone he can finally be at peace.

Its the bad sendoff for the other characters, and the lack of sendoff for any of the choices, that ruin the endings.

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Dark Wyn wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Dark Wyn wrote...

Hours ago I was 100% for cliffhanger and praising Bioware for they're brilliance in keeping us hanging and I was waiting for the DLC or patch or whatever that was going to bring us our true ending.
Then came "The Final Hours".
Now...what does it matter?
The documentary is what it is and states what Bioware was thinking.
Now I'm just numb.
I don't even want to trade my ME series in. I just want to throw it all in the trash.
God, this is depressing.

What do they say in it?


More of less they stick by their guns.  The endings were as they were intended to be.
I hope something happens soon, but I doubt it.  Not after THAT.

Sorry for my mood, but I really don't think I can talk about it anymore.  
Makes me sick.

I thought as much. I never liked the indoctrination theory from the start - a cliffhanger in the final act of a story isn't Bioware's style.

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Bad writing.

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Silasqtx wrote...

If the indoctrination theory is true and the REAL ending will be released soon, then kudos, best cliffhanger ever.

Yep and a lot of the haters will be kissing Bioware's bootstraps once again.

Gamers are a fickle bunch :)

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Doctor Moustache wrote...

If indoc theory is true and dlc/expansion is incoming, brilliant.


No.

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Candidate 88766 wrote...

elferin91 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Apocsapel91 wrote...

elferin91 wrote...

Yea trilogy should definitly end with a cliffhanger


Halo 3 Legendary Ending, but then again, Halo 4 is being made, so...

But Halo 3 wrapped up its story - the Covenant are no longer a threat to humanity and the threat of the Flood is gone.

If ME3's ending is a cliffhanger, then the story isn't finished. The Reapers are still alive, and Earth is still under their control.


Also unlike Halo, Shepard isn't as important as Master Chief is it's own story. ME has bigger focus on decisions, consequnces and people around him. Though don't get me wrong, he is important, but minority cares if he's dead or alive. His/her story had to end one way or another, but not like this :/

Shepard's ending isn't that bad if you ask me - giving his life to save the galaxy is something both paragon and renegade Shepard would do in a heartbeat. A paragon would sacrifice themselves if it meant saving trillions, and a renegade is willing to whatever it takes to win - if that means death, then so be it.

It may be a bit depressing, but I think Shepard's story ends well. He was brought back from the dead to end the threat of the Reapers, and with that threat gone he can finally be at peace.

Its the bad sendoff for the other characters, and the lack of sendoff for any of the choices, that ruin the endings.


yea that's what i said :D
P.S. just checking if we are on the same page

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If it's a cliffhanger, it's a badly executed one, even assuming that the indoctrination theory is true.