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[MsKlaussen]

Opsrbest wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

pkmn wrote...

You people whining about your choices not mattering.

Did you not play the game? Your choices mattered and affected just about every mission in the entire game, all of which culminated in the final battle - where the resources (earned via your decision) determined success or failure.

I'm not quite sure what you people were expecting. An ending that awkwardly mentions every single decision you made over the course of 3 games? That's a little unrealistic.

You just need to accept that you aren't happy with the ending. Demanding that Bioware changes its endings is about as anti-art as you can get.

+ 1 Internet

The biggest issue people have is that they just simply don't understand the point of the Story in ME3. Or the effects ME1/2 have on ME3.

Grimdark and forced self-sacrifce in a game about choices is so deep, right?

If you pay close attention to Shepard through the entire game and how he as a character is evolving or changing in the game the choices you have available to you shouldn't bother you in any way. Don't be mad at Bioware for not fulfilling your idea that super Shepard will always be a-okay.

Doesn't matter what choices Shepard makes. If Player 1 doesn't show up in multiplayer she's essentially been walking around dead since she signed her paperwork. Like I said a while back. Nobody signs up to the military with the express intent of dying "well". To me that means the object of Shepard's quest for survival included survival in there somewhere. The impossibility of that is ensured through requirements outside of the story which were never disclosed as requirements, whether implicit or explicit.

There's nothing to understand about the point of the story here, because the second the events that created the story became subordinate to participation in an outside game, those events and choices became moot - and so did the point.

[stormloader]

the OP, by making his OP, must assume that he knows who bioware's target audience is. grow up and clean up your room too
their target audience is all of the people who LOVED IT and those who UNDERSTOOD it WITHOUT having to source information from anywhere, including youtube [rolls eyes]

again, bioware, awesome job
please do not read these ridiculous writings
nite nite

[Arik7]

stormloader wrote...

the OP, by making his OP, must assume that he knows who bioware's target audience is. grow up and clean up your room too
their target audience is all of the people who LOVED IT and those who UNDERSTOOD it WITHOUT having to source information from anywhere, including youtube [rolls eyes]

again, bioware, awesome job
please do not read these ridiculous writings
nite nite

all of the people who LOVED IT?  That's like 3 or 4 people.  The overwhelming majority of the fans cannot stand it.  (See poll: http://social.biowar...23/polls/30859/ ) The space magic and the god child do not fit with the rest of the Mass Effect universe.  

 

[Achkas]

Arik7 wrote...

stormloader wrote...

the OP, by making his OP, must assume that he knows who bioware's target audience is. grow up and clean up your room too
their target audience is all of the people who LOVED IT and those who UNDERSTOOD it WITHOUT having to source information from anywhere, including youtube [rolls eyes]

again, bioware, awesome job
please do not read these ridiculous writings
nite nite

all of the people who LOVED IT?  That's like 3 or 4 people.  The overwhelming majority of the fans cannot stand it.  (See poll: http://social.biowar...23/polls/30859/ ) The space magic and the god child do not fit with the rest of the Mass Effect universe.  

 

the forums hardly represent the majority of fans. Have you spoken to 500,000 people to form this majority?

[CARL_DF90]

Good stuff! Like the energizer bunny this thread is still going and going and going.........................

[stormloader]

exactly
the forum represents, at the risk of repeating myself
people who have lifestyles in which they have nothing better to do than live on this forum
-in HS and live with their parents
-on disability and live with their parents
-divorced with 2 kids and live with their parents
-their husband is also their dad, so they moved out of their parents house and inherently live with a parent

this game, entire series, including the ending, is an astistic stance, understanding, and portrayal
the people who do not see it, they lose
like all art...it resonates with what is in the person
if the person is empty, they wont find anything
if they are shallow, they wont find much
if they are racist, they will think bioware is making racists stances
and so on
art is a reflection of life, especially the life of the person viewing it, thus their resonation/reponse or lack thereof

to you so called fans
you know nothing of what art is. you use this word art as a weapon
its evident that people are from small towns and/or live with your parents
there truely are no other options
anyways
an artist with integrity makes the art that they want to, which pleases them
you sad excuse for people are really warped to think anything different
so, an artist's fans, true fans, follow that artist for their work, not b/c said artist bends over for you
get a frickin life you people, and stop being the embarrassment of the cities you represent here

so all of you people who live in places with less than a million people, AND are b1tching about this game...this game is art....your b1tching is obviously what you do everyday b/c your life sucks b/c its the life you made and you make no difference in it. complaining about ME3, a piece of art, is a reflection of YOU, NOT Bioware
hopefully Bioware finds you nothing more than amusing
the reapers would leave you alobe b/c you are harmless for the next cycle, TOTALLY harmless

[TheRealJayDee]

stormloader wrote...

exactly
the forum represents, at the risk of repeating myself
people who have lifestyles in which they have nothing better to do than live on this forum
-in HS and live with their parents
-on disability and live with their parents
-divorced with 2 kids and live with their parents
-their husband is also their dad, so they moved out of their parents house and inherently live with a parent

this game, entire series, including the ending, is an astistic stance, understanding, and portrayal
the people who do not see it, they lose
like all art...it resonates with what is in the person
if the person is empty, they wont find anything
if they are shallow, they wont find much
if they are racist, they will think bioware is making racists stances
and so on
art is a reflection of life, especially the life of the person viewing it, thus their resonation/reponse or lack thereof

to you so called fans
you know nothing of what art is. you use this word art as a weapon
its evident that people are from small towns and/or live with your parents
there truely are no other options
anyways
an artist with integrity makes the art that they want to, which pleases them
you sad excuse for people are really warped to think anything different
so, an artist's fans, true fans, follow that artist for their work, not b/c said artist bends over for you
get a frickin life you people, and stop being the embarrassment of the cities you represent here

so all of you people who live in places with less than a million people, AND are b1tching about this game...this game is art....your b1tching is obviously what you do everyday b/c your life sucks b/c its the life you made and you make no difference in it. complaining about ME3, a piece of art, is a reflection of YOU, NOT Bioware
hopefully Bioware finds you nothing more than amusing
the reapers would leave you alobe b/c you are harmless for the next cycle, TOTALLY harmless

I know I shouldn't encourage you by not ignoring you, but... wow!

[Subject M]

stormloader wrote...

exactly
the forum represents, at the risk of repeating myself
people who have lifestyles in which they have nothing better to do than live on this forum
-in HS and live with their parents
-on disability and live with their parents
-divorced with 2 kids and live with their parents
-their husband is also their dad, so they moved out of their parents house and inherently live with a parent

this game, entire series, including the ending, is an astistic stance, understanding, and portrayal
the people who do not see it, they lose
like all art...it resonates with what is in the person
if the person is empty, they wont find anything
if they are shallow, they wont find much
if they are racist, they will think bioware is making racists stances
and so on
art is a reflection of life, especially the life of the person viewing it, thus their resonation/reponse or lack thereof

to you so called fans
you know nothing of what art is. you use this word art as a weapon
its evident that people are from small towns and/or live with your parents
there truely are no other options
anyways
an artist with integrity makes the art that they want to, which pleases them
you sad excuse for people are really warped to think anything different
so, an artist's fans, true fans, follow that artist for their work, not b/c said artist bends over for you
get a frickin life you people, and stop being the embarrassment of the cities you represent here

so all of you people who live in places with less than a million people, AND are b1tching about this game...this game is art....your b1tching is obviously what you do everyday b/c your life sucks b/c its the life you made and you make no difference in it. complaining about ME3, a piece of art, is a reflection of YOU, NOT Bioware
hopefully Bioware finds you nothing more than amusing
the reapers would leave you alobe b/c you are harmless for the next cycle, TOTALLY harmless

That is a lot of venom right there. Is it troll venom I wonder?
And just so you know, I know what art is. I have have both worked within the field (still do from time to time) studied it and written published literature on the subject.

Modifié par Subject M, 30 mars 2012 - 05:35 .

[AlanC9]

MsKlaussen wrote...
Doesn't matter what choices Shepard makes. If Player 1 doesn't show up in multiplayer she's essentially been walking around dead since she signed her paperwork.

And if Player 1 isn't a total Renegade/ biological supremacist she's also dead, whether she shows up in MP or not. (For once the Renegades win one, and it's a big one.)

Like I said a while back. Nobody signs up to the military with the express intent of dying "well". To me that means the object of Shepard's quest for survival included survival in there somewhere.

But what you want and what you actually can have aren't necessarily  the same thing. This isn't an argument, unless you're saying that these things should be the same in an RPG. Which is OK, but needs to be explicit.

Modifié par AlanC9, 30 mars 2012 - 05:55 .

[AlanC9]

Arik7 wrote...

all of the people who LOVED IT?  That's like 3 or 4 people.  The overwhelming majority of the fans cannot stand it.  (See poll: http://social.biowar...23/polls/30859/ ) The space magic and the god child do not fit with the rest of the Mass Effect universe.  

Self-selected polls aren't a good way to prove anything. I'm sure the number of people who loved the ending is a lot smaller than the number who hated it. I'm just not convinced those categories account for most players.

[stormloader]

Subject M wrote...

stormloader wrote...

exactly
the forum represents, at the risk of repeating myself
people who have lifestyles in which they have nothing better to do than live on this forum
-in HS and live with their parents
-on disability and live with their parents
-divorced with 2 kids and live with their parents
-their husband is also their dad, so they moved out of their parents house and inherently live with a parent

this game, entire series, including the ending, is an astistic stance, understanding, and portrayal
the people who do not see it, they lose
like all art...it resonates with what is in the person
if the person is empty, they wont find anything
if they are shallow, they wont find much
if they are racist, they will think bioware is making racists stances
and so on
art is a reflection of life, especially the life of the person viewing it, thus their resonation/reponse or lack thereof

to you so called fans
you know nothing of what art is. you use this word art as a weapon
its evident that people are from small towns and/or live with your parents
there truely are no other options
anyways
an artist with integrity makes the art that they want to, which pleases them
you sad excuse for people are really warped to think anything different
so, an artist's fans, true fans, follow that artist for their work, not b/c said artist bends over for you
get a frickin life you people, and stop being the embarrassment of the cities you represent here

so all of you people who live in places with less than a million people, AND are b1tching about this game...this game is art....your b1tching is obviously what you do everyday b/c your life sucks b/c its the life you made and you make no difference in it. complaining about ME3, a piece of art, is a reflection of YOU, NOT Bioware
hopefully Bioware finds you nothing more than amusing
the reapers would leave you alobe b/c you are harmless for the next cycle, TOTALLY harmless

That is a lot of venom right there. Is it troll venom I wonder?
And just so you know, I know what art is. I have have both worked within the field (still do from time to time) studied it and written published literature on the subject.

i'm a grown man who has not lived with my parents for at least 25 years. you have seen my other posts. i'm not a troll. thing is, i am not one of you fat geeky not-sure-what-to-do-with-my-facial-hair crews that rolls into mcdonalds 6+ deep, thinking that you are overly read in anime, therefore you are literary experts
subject m, i am not saying thats you, i'm just saying
does it SEEM like i pet egos or am spineless or walk on eggshells like most here?!?!?!?
if these people dont like the truth, let them choke and die
thats what it is

[stormloader]

90+% of the people here are the demographics that i described, NOT 90+% of the people who play ME. the people posting like crazy on here may happen to be gamers, but they are not some major portion of the fanbase of ME
they are on here b/c they have nothing going on in their lives
see my previous demographics backgrounds
elcors, not humans

[abaris]

Achkas wrote...


the forums hardly represent the majority of fans. Have you spoken to 500,000 people to form this majority?

There are polls with over 50.000 votes on an international scale painting a similiar picture. These results - and links -  have been posted here. I won't dig them up again. Now I know, the people disliking the ending may still be a minority, but then the silent majority liking the endings has to be indeed very silent.

[stormloader]

exactly abaris
the middle of the bell curve is average, getting average results in life. those people talk alot when they are not getting their needs met....yes, a baby crying. when things are cool, then no crying
thats how life works
again, the average, aka most, not all

[GoddessLunatic]

signed

[Razyx]

@stormloader, seriously, what do you smoke?

Demographic numbers now are related with being able to empathize, rationalize..??

Modifié par Razyx, 31 mars 2012 - 02:27 .

[Random citizen]

I think stormloader is just helping OP in stormloaders own sneaky way (by parodying those who think the ending is good). That is what I suspect anyway.

[CARL_DF90]

Oy. No comment.

[Subject M]

Random citizen wrote...

I think stormloader is just helping OP in stormloaders own sneaky way (by parodying those who think the ending is good). That is what I suspect anyway.

I think you might be right.

[mybudgee]

Stormloader is a software program..

[Subject M]

mybudgee wrote...

Stormloader is a software program..

A broken VI no doubt!

Modifié par Subject M, 03 mai 2012 - 01:20 .

[elecmanexe001]

Why can't people wait for the extended cut? They heard you already, they are expanding to give more closure, no one knows exactly what that will mean, they may fix every problem you have with the ending without altering what they already did. You have no way of knowing until it comes out, so save your anger, sadness, and despair over the 'terrible ending to the series' for that, cause who knows you might end up being blown away and all the complaining continuing to go on after they have announced they are clarifying and expanding the ending is pointless right now. We can only wait at this point.

[napushenko]

stormloader wrote...

Subject M wrote...

stormloader wrote...

exactly
the forum represents, at the risk of repeating myself
people who have lifestyles in which they have nothing better to do than live on this forum
-in HS and live with their parents
-on disability and live with their parents
-divorced with 2 kids and live with their parents
-their husband is also their dad, so they moved out of their parents house and inherently live with a parent

this game, entire series, including the ending, is an astistic stance, understanding, and portrayal
the people who do not see it, they lose
like all art...it resonates with what is in the person
if the person is empty, they wont find anything
if they are shallow, they wont find much
if they are racist, they will think bioware is making racists stances
and so on
art is a reflection of life, especially the life of the person viewing it, thus their resonation/reponse or lack thereof

to you so called fans
you know nothing of what art is. you use this word art as a weapon
its evident that people are from small towns and/or live with your parents
there truely are no other options
anyways
an artist with integrity makes the art that they want to, which pleases them
you sad excuse for people are really warped to think anything different
so, an artist's fans, true fans, follow that artist for their work, not b/c said artist bends over for you
get a frickin life you people, and stop being the embarrassment of the cities you represent here

so all of you people who live in places with less than a million people, AND are b1tching about this game...this game is art....your b1tching is obviously what you do everyday b/c your life sucks b/c its the life you made and you make no difference in it. complaining about ME3, a piece of art, is a reflection of YOU, NOT Bioware
hopefully Bioware finds you nothing more than amusing
the reapers would leave you alobe b/c you are harmless for the next cycle, TOTALLY harmless

That is a lot of venom right there. Is it troll venom I wonder?
And just so you know, I know what art is. I have have both worked within the field (still do from time to time) studied it and written published literature on the subject.

i'm a grown man who has not lived with my parents for at least 25 years. you have seen my other posts. i'm not a troll. thing is, i am not one of you fat geeky not-sure-what-to-do-with-my-facial-hair crews that rolls into mcdonalds 6+ deep, thinking that you are overly read in anime, therefore you are literary experts
subject m, i am not saying thats you, i'm just saying
does it SEEM like i pet egos or am spineless or walk on eggshells like most here?!?!?!?
if these people dont like the truth, let them choke and die
thats what it is

Altough i live in a place with less than a million people in it and youre clearly  the arrogant piece of ****, i have to agree that provincial people have a bit smaller viewpoints than those in big cityz.
Thats only marginal though. Its all about the individual and what hes seen and done. So, if your only "call to glory" is that youre not living with your parents and bashing people who live in smaller citys than you (thing almost completely out of our reach) i tend to question your seeing of art and empathy. 

Great game btw. 

And youre a piece of ****, forgot to mention it. 
Amnesia. 
Nevermind. 

[incinerator950]

Are we discussing the RPG fans playing casual RPGs, the Soap Fans, the casuals, the Illusionists, or the ****s?

I'm more concerned about how much is Bioware willing to sacrifice in their next game to fulfill a Fiscal deadline.

[Subject M]

elecmanexe001 wrote...

Why can't people wait for the extended cut? They heard you already, they are expanding to give more closure, no one knows exactly what that will mean, they may fix every problem you have with the ending without altering what they already did. You have no way of knowing until it comes out, so save your anger, sadness, and despair over the 'terrible ending to the series' for that, cause who knows you might end up being blown away and all the complaining continuing to go on after they have announced they are clarifying and expanding the ending is pointless right now. We can only wait at this point.

I created a thread that addresses this

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/11747062

Basically, the problems go much deeper then I think we can expect "clarification" can fix. If your car lacks functioning breaks and good steering compared to established standard, giving it a paint job and new tires will not make it safe to drive on the highway.