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[T0rin3]

Seraphael wrote...

T0rin3 wrote...

No, actually, without the dex fix, the cunning based archer blows the dexfix'd archer out of the water, as it gets 100% of it's damage bonus from Cunning with Lethality, instead of having to share the other 50% with dexterity that you don't particularly care about. (beyond picking up arrow of slaying)

Weird. Without the dexterity hotfix both shortbow and longbow use 50/50 strength/dexterity, with the fix shortbow use 100% dexterity while longbow stays the same.

Wouldn't a pure dexterity archer then blow a cunning/lethality archer out of the water if using shortbows? If I understand it correctly, a dexterity shortbow build would have superior attack, damage and defense.

In your mind, what is the best build for a ranged Leiliana with the dexterity hotfix?

The thing is, cunning plays into more than just damage via Lethality. Cunning is also a means to save talent points on lockpicking, a way to save skill points in coercion and a way to increase attack/damage/critical % via Song of Courage. If it was just 50% of the damage formula, then yes, dexterity would be better in every way. The main problem with shortbows is there is no shortbow that compares remotely to Far Song. If there were, and you didn't mind the shorter range (which IMO is pretty nice about longbows), then shortbows probably would be better.

With the dex hotfix, I still think, because of the bows available, that the Cunning longbow build is really the only way to go. I did try the pure dex longbow build, and what it lost from song of courage was not made up by the extra defense (which you really don't need that much) and attack rating. (which you can get from duelist and bard, for the most part) Saving 3 talent points in lockpicking means you can diversity substaintly more than the dex or strength based alternatives.

[Deflagratio]

No mention of getting The Felon's Coat? That thing is crazy good for Archery. Depending on how often you want to spam talents, I found it nice to get the Felon's Coat, and Wades Superior Dragonskin (not Drakeskin) for like 5 Stamina per second.



I will say one thing, Lethality makes the difference between a useless archer and an amazing archer. I remember when I built Leliana up finally to Lethality, Her Damage score went from 18 to 53, and she pulled out from 8% of party damage, to by the Archedemon, 66% of the damage. (I myself was a CC/healer mage build for this game, so aside from the occasional Horror one-shot on enemies, I didn't damage.



Also for attack, It's good to bot your healer to spam Heroic Offense on the archer. That's what I do at least.

[ITSSEXYTIME]

Personally, I think forcing an archer into a damage role is misguided. Much better off raising Willpower for more stamina to use all the debuff abilities.



Also, there are benefits to raising Dex higher as it does still have an effect on damage. I believe longbows are 0.5 str 0.5 dex, cunning replaces strength with lethality.

[T0rin3]

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...

Personally, I think forcing an archer into a damage role is misguided. Much better off raising Willpower for more stamina to use all the debuff abilities.

Also, there are benefits to raising Dex higher as it does still have an effect on damage. I believe longbows are 0.5 str 0.5 dex, cunning replaces strength with lethality.

Why do you need dex/willpower to use debuff arrow talents? I have 181 stamina with 80 reserved for dueling and song of courage (which could easily have been supressing fire), and still have plenty of stamina to use bow talents with. Not to mention rogue gets some pretty substaintial stamina regen eq, it just seems a tad overkill to actually put points into willpower. (I put 0 into willpower myself)

[ITSSEXYTIME]

T0rin3 wrote...

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...

Personally, I think forcing an archer into a damage role is misguided. Much better off raising Willpower for more stamina to use all the debuff abilities.

Also, there are benefits to raising Dex higher as it does still have an effect on damage. I believe longbows are 0.5 str 0.5 dex, cunning replaces strength with lethality.

Why do you need dex/willpower to use debuff arrow talents? I have 181 stamina with 80 reserved for dueling and song of courage (which could easily have been supressing fire), and still have plenty of stamina to use bow talents with. Not to mention rogue gets some pretty substaintial stamina regen eq, it just seems a tad overkill to actually put points into willpower. (I put 0 into willpower myself)

Perhaps with the right gear, but I've found Leiliana is always lacking Stamina.  

[Washell]

T0rin3 wrote...

Device Mastery

Total waste with your high cunning. WIth 60 cunning and Deft Hands, you can open every chest in the game.

Master Coercion

For every 25 points above 10 in cunning, that is 1 less point in coercion you need. With 60 cunning, you only need 2 points in Coercion.

Theoretically sound. In practice though, you'll be persuading people and finding locked chests looooong before you get to 60 cunning. So from beginning to mid-game extra points in lockpicking and coercion can save you some return trips and open up dialogue options.

[Zcottham]

Ah, mages are rather straight forward. Their magic tells you what it does. Hehe. Warriors/tank, boost the con and strength. But rogues... haha... you all like your complicated classes and it's good to read your stuff. I'd never figure it out. I'ma gonna roll me a rogue.

[Sharog]

Currently i discovered a rather strange bug concerning archer Att rating, this is not changed in the "unofficial dex fix"



According to the tool tip of the stats description, Dex should increase ranged att rating by 1 per points, how ever in the current Game Dex only increase it by 0.5, so is Str, it acts as if it is a melee wpn, (atleast according to the character screen).



So is this intended? bug? or just display error?

[Tonya777]

If you get Lethality you have to use shortbows for it to do anything for you? Either way , whats better : Do I get Lethality or pets for Lelianna first? (She only has the wolf right now)

Need a quick answer cause she just leveled up

Modifié par Tonya777, 29 novembre 2009 - 08:44 .

[Tonya777]

At this rate she will lvl up again before I get an answer to that lol



I guess I will simply let her lvl up again and just do 2 lvls worth of lvling up at once (Since thats how many away from lethality she is) and then test it myself if nothing else

[hilfazer]

Lethality won`t add crit chance to ranged weapons.



As for dmg bonus, it won`t add dmg to shortbows because they are 100% dex based. Same with xbows. It adds dmg to longbows only.



It is with dex hotfix, but if you are using bows you should use it.

[Tonya777]

Ok so Lethality and Longbows? Just making sure



If so , that is even better than expected because the best bows in the game are longbows

[themaxzero]

Why not get the Dex hotfix and just stack Dex? 1 Dex = 1 damage. High defense and accuracy too.

With Shortbow and Crossbow. The Dark Moon from the Dalish is pretty good.

Modifié par themaxzero, 29 novembre 2009 - 12:10 .

[rogermao]

 ok, just need some clarification, WITH the dex hotfix, should I go the cunning longbow route or dex shortbow

[T0rin3]

rogermao wrote...

 ok, just need some clarification, WITH the dex hotfix, should I go the cunning longbow route or dex shortbow

Cunning longbow.

[Akrynym]

So what are the best specs for an archer build if not ranger and bard?

[T0rin3]

duelist and bard

[Tonya777]

Duelist? Does that everything turns into a critical hit buff work on ranged attacks?



I prefer to make mine Ranger/Bard , WoW style hunter XD



I guess Ranger/Duelist could also work too but whatever



As for "Why not just get the dex hotfix?" (Facepalm) does it not occur to you that not everyone is playing this game on their computer?

[T0rin3]

Tonya777 wrote...

Duelist? Does that everything turns into a critical hit buff work on ranged attacks?

It does, but you have to activate it with a melee weapon... small detail anyways.

I guess Ranger/Duelist could also work too but whatever

Main reason to use Duelist in addition to Bard is for added attack rating, which you lack as a Cunning based rogue. Ranger gives no attack rating. :-/

Modifié par T0rin3, 29 novembre 2009 - 09:42 .

[Tonya777]

Activate it? Wtf I thought Lethality is passive isn't it?

[Tonya777]

How much Accurac... I mean "attack" could dueslist possibly even add? Couldn't I just strive for atk+ equipment and possibly use the bard attack+ buff?

[rogermao]

Tonya777 wrote...

Activate it? Wtf I thought Lethality is passive isn't it?

Lethality isn't a duelist skill, though yes it is passive

[Tonya777]

I know its regular rogue it just sounded like he said something about activating Lethality but I might have misunderstood him

[T0rin3]

Tonya777 wrote...

I know its regular rogue it just sounded like he said something about activating Lethality but I might have misunderstood him

The skill you were talking about that grants critical attacks... called Pinpoint Strike, is an activated skill that can only be used when equipping a melee weapon. So while you cannot activate it with a bow equipped, you can switch over to a bow immediately after activating it.

[usualsuspect747]

I tried out cunning + longbow and I was thoroughly unimpressed. The attack speed/damage/attack/crit rate was completely subpar to a DEX hotfixed dex + shortbow build. Unless I was somehow doing something wrong, I followed this guide almost exactly, save a few of the replied changes. It was incredibly tedious and not fun at all.

Modifié par usualsuspect747, 30 novembre 2009 - 04:59 .