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[Twenynge]

Hulk Hsieh wrote...

T0rin3 wrote...
Look at it like this... you have 100 dex and 22 cunning.

With a longbow, that is +50 damage from dex and +11 damage from cunning.

With a shortbow, that is +100 damage from dex.

See the problem?

This make me think the "Shortbow gets 100% from dex" change is a bad idea.
It makes archer a "one attribute" build. Dex takes care of Attack/DEF/Damage and you don't need anything else.

The combat engine definitely needs refinement.  The scaling issue of longbows vs. shortbows is one of the more egregious examples of balance issues inherent in the combat system.  The problems aren't glaringly obvious (in my opinion) with the current level cap and itemization, but they do prevent DLC expansions that extend the characters level and provide more powerful items.

[LOLalaska]

So many flip flops in this thread it is mind boggling.



Just want clarification on a few things.



I am on the x-box 360. So I am wondering:



My current character is a DW Warrior with a dip in archery talents. Is this a bad road? Is damage based of STR/DEX?



I want to play a rouge and was wondering what should I run for a large damage output for archer specs?

[DocDoomII]

So, Dopeslap & T0rin3

If I want to play a city elf rogue archer, can i match those varols with stats books (exemple +3 from collector edition), or I'll remain gimped?

[Dopeslap]

DocDoomII wrote...

So, Dopeslap & T0rin3
If I want to play a city elf rogue archer, can i match those varols with stats books (exemple +3 from collector edition), or I'll remain gimped?

For the sake of squeezing every point possible we recommend Human. I rolled a city elf, and found it fine.

[LOLalaska]

LOLalaska wrote...

So many flip flops in this thread it is mind boggling.

Just want clarification on a few things.

I am on the x-box 360. So I am wondering:

My current character is a DW Warrior with a dip in archery talents. Is this a bad road? Is damage based of STR/DEX?

I want to play a rouge and was wondering what should I run for a large damage output for archer specs?

Anyone?

[LOLalaska]

at all?

[Discobird]

LOLalaska wrote...

So many flip flops in this thread it is mind boggling.

Just want clarification on a few things.

I am on the x-box 360. So I am wondering:

My current character is a DW Warrior with a dip in archery talents. Is this a bad road? Is damage based of STR/DEX?

I want to play a rouge and was wondering what should I run for a large damage output for archer specs?

Why not test it yourself? Easy to do. Raise your str and dex and see what happens to your damage in the character screen. Use +str/dex gear if you don't have spare attrib points handy.

If the xbox is like pre-hotfix PC then it will look like:
* shortbows: 50% str/50% dex
* longbows: 50% str/50% dex
* crossbows: 0% everything (no damage bonus from attributes)

Modifié par Discobird, 04 décembre 2009 - 02:49 .

[LOLalaska]

If I ran lethality would it go str/cunning, or cunning/dex? Any decent options for archery for good damage output?

[konfeta]

Say, is Bloodthirst worth it to replace Rapid Shot with for bows?

Modifié par konfeta, 04 décembre 2009 - 01:12 .

[KylonOrina]

So Rapid Shot isn't worth using? What about Aim? Or any of the other archer sustained abilities? I've been using rapid shot on leliana forever. Is that gimping her damage output?

[T0rin3]

KylonOrina wrote...

So Rapid Shot isn't worth using? What about Aim? Or any of the other archer sustained abilities? I've been using rapid shot on leliana forever. Is that gimping her damage output?

It's not really worth using I don't think, unless you have really high base damage and really low crit %. But once you get Lethality (regardless of build), you'll want to abandon rapid shot. It's only really ok for low-mid level dex/shortbow builds. Everyone else is better off using Rapid Aim via the bow.

I found that of the sustained abilities, the only ones worth ever using were supressing fire (against hard hitting single enemies) and defensive fire. (when surrounded in melee) Aim and Rapid Shot are pretty much garbage. (rapid shot is only decent early on in the aforementioned scenario)

You want to save your stamina for the more important abilities like arrow of slaying, scattershot, pinning shot.

[KylonOrina]

T0rin3 wrote...

KylonOrina wrote...

So Rapid Shot isn't worth using? What about Aim? Or any of the other archer sustained abilities? I've been using rapid shot on leliana forever. Is that gimping her damage output?

It's not really worth using I don't think, unless you have really high base damage and really low crit %. But once you get Lethality (regardless of build), you'll want to abandon rapid shot. It's only really ok for low-mid level dex/shortbow builds. Everyone else is better off using Rapid Aim via the bow.

I found that of the sustained abilities, the only ones worth ever using were supressing fire (against hard hitting single enemies) and defensive fire. (when surrounded in melee) Aim and Rapid Shot are pretty much garbage. (rapid shot is only decent early on in the aforementioned scenario)

You want to save your stamina for the more important abilities like arrow of slaying, scattershot, pinning shot.

By rapid aim, you just mean equipment that says Rapid Aim (some number)?

[KylonOrina]

bah stupid double post.

Modifié par KylonOrina, 04 décembre 2009 - 02:57 .

[T0rin3]

LOLalaska wrote...

If I ran lethality would it go str/cunning, or cunning/dex? Any decent options for archery for good damage output?

Lethality is for all builds really, that crit % is good since you don't backstab.

Cunning focused longbow build or Dex focused shortbow builds are both good. I wouldn't mix them up too much, you end up polluting your damage output for mild benefits. (if any)

[T0rin3]

KylonOrina wrote...

T0rin3 wrote...

KylonOrina wrote...

So Rapid Shot isn't worth using? What about Aim? Or any of the other archer sustained abilities? I've been using rapid shot on leliana forever. Is that gimping her damage output?

It's not really worth using I don't think, unless you have really high base damage and really low crit %. But once you get Lethality (regardless of build), you'll want to abandon rapid shot. It's only really ok for low-mid level dex/shortbow builds. Everyone else is better off using Rapid Aim via the bow.

I found that of the sustained abilities, the only ones worth ever using were supressing fire (against hard hitting single enemies) and defensive fire. (when surrounded in melee) Aim and Rapid Shot are pretty much garbage. (rapid shot is only decent early on in the aforementioned scenario)

You want to save your stamina for the more important abilities like arrow of slaying, scattershot, pinning shot.

By rapid aim, you just mean equipment that says Rapid Aim (some number)?

Sorry no, Rapid Shot is what I meant, the talent. Rapid Aim on equipment is good.

[Lupinuscor]

after reading alot here as i wanted make archer from a while and also ranger i assume i need to go cunning longbow without hotfix yes ? also was wondering will it work having leliana with me for bard buffs and me going ranger duelist ? will it work or i should go bard duelist myself better since those buffs dont scale the same for party as for personal character ?

[Lupinuscor]

edit : eh silly doublepost so i use this to thank for the answer below

Modifié par Lupinuscor, 04 décembre 2009 - 04:20 .

[T0rin3]

Lupinuscor wrote...

after reading alot here as i wanted make archer from a while and also ranger i assume i need to go cunning longbow without hotfix yes ? also was wondering will it work having leliana with me for bard buffs and me going ranger duelist ? will it work or i should go bard duelist myself better since those buffs dont scale the same for party as for personal character ?

The buffs from SoC are just as good for your party as they are for you. You could go ranger/duelist and let Liliana go Bard/Duelist or Bard/Assassin (depending on what weapon you have her use) and still have the same SoC on you that you would if you played it yourself.

[rogermao]

for gear, besides +crit, what else should I look for besides the ones mentioned (harvest festival, key to the city, etc.). Also, when it just says +crit/backstab, does that increase ranged crit? or only the ones that say +ranged crit chance

[T0rin3]

+crit/backstab means crits of any kind, including ranged crits. +dex, +cin, +all stats, +ranged crit, +crit/backstab % are all good to have. +attack and +armor penetration will vary in value based on your enemy.

[Love-Buzz]

Not sure if you got the data yet, but according to gamebanshee, rapid aim = -0.3 sec aim time



http://www.gamebansh...AO_Items.id=346



And according to the Missing Manual, the base aim times are 0.2 sec for shortbows and 0.3 sec for longbows. I would assume this means that, with rapid aim, both bows fire at the same rate.



http://dragonage.gul...p/items/weapons

[LOLalaska]

So I still am not doing the most damage i could via Lethality since dex is bugged? (360)

[rogermao]

another question, does poison affect bows?

[zodas23]

No, poison only works on melee weapons.

Modifié par zodas23, 05 décembre 2009 - 01:00 .

[zodas23]

Sorry double post.

Modifié par zodas23, 05 décembre 2009 - 01:00 .