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RequiemDogma

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Aesieru wrote...

RequiemDogma wrote...

UrdnotGrunty2 wrote...

Lost Cipher wrote...

I guess were getting an MMO then.


I don't want an MMO, Bioware already failed at their TOR MMO I dont want another.  I want an ending that makes sense.

Different "Bioware".


If it's so different, why does BioWare keep copying the mistakes from DA2?


Because that's the same BioWare.

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Lost Cipher wrote...

I guess were getting an MMO then.


How can we get an MMO when most of the galaxy is destroyed when the relays blew up?  There is no interstellar travel either.  Like I want to role play the decendants of the crashed Normandy crew on Gilligan's Planet that were sent back to the stone age?

The ending isn't  vague Mr Walters, its a nonsensical, plot hole filled mess.  Almost like the regular Bioware writers were on vacation and some intern on pain meds wrote the ending over a weekend.

Remember people:  HOLD THE LINE

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Rolling Flame wrote...

pharsti wrote...

Casey: 'Everyone is going to have a different ending to some degree based on their choices and their galactic readiness, so it wass important for me to have one final scene where everyone has the exact same experience.'

Yes, different ending indeed Mr. Casey....


Casey... that is what credits are for...


Are any of the things the devs are saying making sense to anyone? I feel like i'm staring into madness. They said things completely different 2 weeks ago. The exact opposite of what they are saying right now, they said 2 weeks ago.

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If Mac Walters had this planned out from the start, I want to know why Casey Hudson felt the need to lie about this. Repeatedly.

Don't say he had to. He didn't have to say it'd be this way. He could've just not talked about it. Instead he specifically said these things.
Does he not know things on the internet last forever?

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The Angry One wrote...

If Mac Walters had this planned out from the start, I want to know why Casey Hudson felt the need to lie about this. Repeatedly.

Don't say he had to. He didn't have to say it'd be this way. He could've just not talked about it. Instead he specifically said these things.
Does he not know things on the internet last forever?


This is what i don't understand. The EXACT OPPOSITE of what they said 2 weeks ago is being said now. They could not be further from what they promised before the game. 

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One of the two, if not preferably both, need to go. Walters for incompetence, and Casey for lieing to the fan base.

Anything he says should be default assumed untrue until proven otherwise.

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I'm still gonna hold out of an endings dlc. Though this is digging the grave deeper.

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'Everyone is going to have a different ending to some degree based on
their choices and their galactic readiness, so it was important for me
to have one final scene where everyone has the exact same experience.'

He left out the part about "But telling them they were going to experience different endings knowing that I was going to screw all that up for them anyway was priceless."

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The Angry One wrote...

If Mac Walters had this planned out from the start, I want to know why Casey Hudson felt the need to lie about this. Repeatedly.

Don't say he had to. He didn't have to say it'd be this way. He could've just not talked about it. Instead he specifically said these things.
Does he not know things on the internet last forever?


Money. I think it's above everything these days.

VG Industry, still getting away with everything and anything.

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You do not leave an ending like this vague
Fans wished to have closure
Please take writing class

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Meh, let them lie all they want, they already lied to get even more people hyped and to buy the game, all theyre doing is lying now to get people to calm down and buy their upcoming "awesome" dlc.

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Wait

- Casey: 'Everyone is going to have a different ending to some degree based on their choices and their galactic readiness, so it was important for me to have one final scene where everyone has the exact same experience.'


I spy some backpedaling. First of all, no my choices didn't matter. They might see those war assets as counting, but I can get plenty of that without even importing a save, so not so much. And they thought it was important to have one final scene where the experience is always the same? That seems like now that everybody has called them on the blatant recycling of the same footage that they want to spin it like it was anything other than just a cost saver.

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Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

If Mac Walters had this planned out from the start, I want to know why Casey Hudson felt the need to lie about this. Repeatedly.

Don't say he had to. He didn't have to say it'd be this way. He could've just not talked about it. Instead he specifically said these things.
Does he not know things on the internet last forever?


Money. I think it's above everything these days.

VG Industry, still getting away with everything and anything.


I hope this will set an example. 

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Blind2Society wrote...

Schrijver wrote...

- 8 percent of the readers want a MMO


Hurry, kill them before they replicate

More like kill them before they make AI's which kill THEM!

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Schrijver wrote...


- Casey: 'Everyone is going to have a different ending to some degree based on their choices and their galactic readiness, so it wass important for me to have one final scene where everyone has the exact same experience.'


ROFL 

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Esquin wrote...

So they intentionally gave us a poor ending. And have confirmed what many fans know. That destroying the relays kills trillions of people.

Good. So long as we're clear on why it is HORRIBLE!


They didn't confirm that it kills trillions of people. They confirmed a galactic dark age. As in no Relay transit.

When the barbarians sacked Rome the whole of Europe didn't suddenly drop dead. Yeah, I realize the lore is all over the place here but I'm not putting two and two together and coming up with 'everyone is dead' until the writers explicitly state as such. Even as bizarre as the endings are it still manages to fly that much farther in the face of everything else to have that happen without so much as a blink from Shepard.

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What pipe is this guy smoking from, I didn't get an ending I got a cutscenes of reapers dying and joker on a planet.

We all expected the reapers to go bye bye what we wanted to know epwas where are people would be.

It would take someone truely clueless in storytelling to say this is a good ending, a character driven story has a character driven ending. Why would I play a game to see something I knew was going to happen since I first learned what a reaper was?

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 Occupy BioWare. We are the 99%.

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The Angry One wrote...

If Mac Walters had this planned out from the start, I want to know why Casey Hudson felt the need to lie about this. Repeatedly.

Don't say he had to. He didn't have to say it'd be this way. He could've just not talked about it. Instead he specifically said these things.
Does he not know things on the internet last forever?


Exactly. That's why I am really mad about it.

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Schrijver wrote...

'The existence of the Reapers and where they first came from, those are answers we intentionally don't want to get in to right now, we don't wanna talk about them, because sometimes leaving them open to interpertation is sometimes better.'

I kind of wish they'd applied this to the Reapers' motivations, as well.

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 A writer who uses the excuse he's "leaving it open for interpretation" is just ****ing scared of finality. Which is exactly what we want in a conclusion, in a resolution, in a finale. We want answers. We want understanding. We don't want to guess. We don't want maybes. If they want to tell their fans to just use their imaginations they can go suck a dick, and we can just look it up on youtube without buying the ****ing thing. Use our imaginations from there.

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I think someone confused vague and cluster****.

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IsaacShep wrote...

I can agree with that, but not with teleporting squadmates and Normandy's inexplicable actions. That's just bad storytelling.

This bugs me more than anything.

I have this terrible suspicion that these scenes were mostly done prior to whatever final decision they had on the ending, and they just used them in a way that might make the ending look more hopeful or bittersweet without stopping to think what it meant.

So it makes no sense, it's a betrayal of the story, of the characters, and of Shepard... and yet there is no actual meaning behind it. It's there so you could imagine a warm feeling over some of your squad surviving.

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Mac Walters can't write, says world

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The Angry One wrote...

If Mac Walters had this planned out from the start, I want to know why Casey Hudson felt the need to lie about this. Repeatedly.

Don't say he had to. He didn't have to say it'd be this way. He could've just not talked about it. Instead he specifically said these things.
Does he not know things on the internet last forever?


This.  I can understand someone wanting to take things in a new direction, but to blatantly lie to us about it?  No, that is too far.  I don't like being decieved, and I sure as hell don't like finding out I've been lied to in something I was supposed to pay you even MORE money for.