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[Ianamus]

The Angry One wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
Urhm what? synthetics vs organics has been a running theme in this series since day 1

True but the stupid part is the theme was, for 2 games, about how synthetics aren't thad bad.
Yes you had the Reapers, and the Geth in ME1. Then ME2 and ME3 painted the Geth as constant victims of the belligerent Quarians, a good and even noble people struggling to find their identity.
Then you had EDI. Even ME1 threw hints that the Geth weren't all that they seemed, such as Tali admitting that the Quarians started the war.

Why do all that then turn it all around and say YAR SYNTHETICS BAD FOREVER. Makes no sense.

Two games worth of showing that AI are not bad, and that they can co-exist. The Geth even fight alongside the organics for the curvival of the galaxy. EDI considers the Normandy "Her crewmates".

And all of that gets thrown away in those endings. 

I was starting to accept those endings, however ****ty they were. But hearing that there will only be prequels... I will never buy a mass effect game again. I don't think I'll every buy a ****ing Bioware game again. Not when that horrible ****ty ending with that stupid deus ex machina boy ****ed up everything I loved about it. What's the point of a prequel when we all know that so many years down the line the Galaxy will be faced with that complete crap that makes no sense?

I give in, I'm going to go put "1/10" reviews for Mass Effect 3 wherever I can and tell all my friends considering buying it not to bother. Call me hater, call me whatever you want, I honestly don't ****ing care anymore. They don't deserve my friends money. 

Thank you Bioware for completely ****ing up one of the best game series I've ever played. I hope your happy <_<

Modifié par EJ107, 16 mars 2012 - 12:21 .

[SweetJeeba]

Is there a script that explains why joker was, what I'm guessing, the middle of a jump between mass relays

[N7 Spectre525]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Lost Cipher wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Jacob survived more often than Tali? There's something that seems very wrong about that.

I liked Jacobs character far more than Tali's. His story was very similar to that of Shepards. Used by the politicians and admirals, and then thrown under the bus as a result. It was nice to see him get a family in ME3.

I assure you that you are in the minority on this one.

 And I assure he's not. Lots of people like Jacob, the Bioware forums or the internet in general does not speak for all Mass Effect fans.

[shepskisaac]

The Angry One wrote...

Why do all that then turn it all around and say YAR SYNTHETICS BAD FOREVER. Makes no sense.

Catalyst believes that YAR SYNTHETICS BAD, you DON'T have to agree with him, that's what the destroy ending is for, seriously, how hard it is to get?

[The Angry One]

IsaacShep wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Why do all that then turn it all around and say YAR SYNTHETICS BAD FOREVER. Makes no sense.

Catalyst believes that YAR SYNTHETICS BAD, you DON'T have to agree with him, that's what the destroy ending is for, seriously, how hard it is to get?

Erm.

You mean the option that destroys all synthetics everywhere because synthetics are bad?

[shepskisaac]

The Angry One wrote...

Erm.

You mean the option that destroys all synthetics everywhere because synthetics are bad?

And who says you're gonna destroy all synthetics because you agree with Catalyst that they're all bad and not because it's simply a price to pay to destroy Reapers and you can't set the Crucible to "destroy Reapers only" mode? When did pople start suddenly start submitting completly to what the villains say lol?

Modifié par IsaacShep, 16 mars 2012 - 12:26 .

[bleetman]

IsaacShep wrote...

defenestrated wrote...

The cycle explanation is what I can't get past ATM. It's contradicted by everything in the game. You want to play around with the inevitability of synthetics destroying organics if left unchecked? Set it up better.

It's like reaching the end of Farenheit 451 and being handed an environmental message. Could work but it's in the wrong book.

Urhm what? synthetics vs organics has been a running theme in this series since day 1

It has, and it hasn't. We're shown time and again that synthetic life isn't innately hostile to organic life. There's conflicts, but, well, it's either a) caused by the Reapers, or the Reapers themselves. They're solving a problem that, in the entire setting, only they demonstrate.

Hell, even in ME1, before the whole "heretic/true geth" divide thing came into play, the only other synthetic species in the galaxy besides the Reapers had spent three hundred years in their own little corner of the galaxy, I don't know, knitting and playing scrabble. They weren't invading organic territories. And they only started once the Reapers turned up and convinced a portion of them it'd be a swell idea if they did.

IsaacShep wrote...
When did pople start suddenly start submitting completly to what the villains say lol?

We might not, but Shepard apparently does.

Star Brat: Blah blah it'll all happen again yadda yadda inevitable, further nonsense etc.
Shepard: Maybe.

DEFIANT WORDS THERE, SHEPARD.

Modifié par bleetman, 16 mars 2012 - 12:31 .

[The Angry One]

IsaacShep wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Erm.

You mean the option that destroys all synthetics everywhere because synthetics are bad?

And who says you're gonna destroy all synthetics because you agree with Catalyst that they're all bad and not because it's simply a price to pay to destroy Reapers and you can't set the Crucible to "destroy Reapers only" mode? When did pople start suddenly start submitting completly to what the villains say lol?

How about the part where Shep doesn't get to say "What? That's bull****! I'm not going to betray the Geth! You're wrong! "

[SyxxByNyne]

IsaacShep wrote...

And who says you're gonna destroy all synthetics because you agree with Catalyst that they're all bad and not because it's simply a price to pay to destroy Reapers and you can't set the Crucible to "destroy Reapers only" mode? When did pople start suddenly start submitting completly to what the villains say lol?

If Shepard doesn't agree with the Catalyst's premise in the first place, why would (s)he accept the options that the Catalyst presents at all?

[shepskisaac]

bleetman wrote...
Maybe.

Maybe is not "Ohh starchild you so right!". Frankly to me that "Maybe" sounded more like "b*tch phhhlease....!"

The Angry One wrote...

How about the part where Shep doesn't get to say "What? That's bull****! I'm not going to betray the Geth! You're wrong! "

Not that would be railroading him into what YOU want to say, not everyone. "Maybe" is better, you can interpreted it and headcanon what you want

SyxxByNyne wrote...

If Shepard doesn't agree with the Catalyst's premise in the first place, why would (s)he accept the options that the Catalyst presents at all?

And what are other options? Sit and do nothing? Destroy option is what Crucible was built for. And Catalyst tries to discourage you from taking it.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 16 mars 2012 - 12:35 .

[PMC65]

Elite Midget wrote...

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

so shep living isn't cannon?

No, Sheperd never existed. Liara is the only thing canon.

No. Joker is canon. That is why he lives and gets your LI on a tropical island.

Next run through I am RP'ing that I'm Joker not Shepard.

[bleetman]

It's pretty bloody passive from a person that has, to date, responded to every Reaper in conversation by effectively telling them to screw off.

Then s/he bumps into their apparent creator, and just goes along with everything it says. Which s/he does, regardless of how you interperate the line, because s/he takes one of the options the Star Brat offers.

IsaacShep wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Howabout the part where Shep doesn't get to say "What? That's bull****! I'm not going to betray the Geth! You're wrong! "

Not that would be railroading him into what YOU want to say, not everyone. "Maybe" is better, you can interpreted it and headcanon what you want.

Mass Effect has this thing. It's called a dialogue wheel. You might be familiar with the concept. It lets us pick what we feel is the most appropriate response in a given situation.

Modifié par bleetman, 16 mars 2012 - 12:38 .

[Doofe2012]

New games will take place before or during ME3, huh?

Well, it's been a great journey. Mass Effect as a series has probably influenced me more than any other work of art. I fell in love with the overwhelming majority of the characters, and the story kept me in such a state of wonder, awe, and admiration the whole way through. Commander Shepard has become my biggest role model not only for my future career as a Marine officer, but for life in general.

But I'm done.

[The Angry One]

IsaacShep wrote...
Not that would be railroading him into what YOU want to say, not everyone. "Maybe" is better, you can interpreted it and headcanon what you want

Cough, yeah. That's what dialogue options are for, right? You know, the same dialogue options we've had for the whole game?

And what are other options? Sit and do nothing? Destroy option is what Crucible was built for. And Catalyst tries to discourage you from taking it.

How about defy the Catalyst? Call the fleet and tell them to fight another way.
Or pontificate? Tell the Catalyst to stop this by itself. It's logic is flawed, it's no longer needed, aka Babylon 5 option.

[Dybia]

bleetman wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

defenestrated wrote...

The cycle explanation is what I can't get past ATM. It's contradicted by everything in the game. You want to play around with the inevitability of synthetics destroying organics if left unchecked? Set it up better.

It's like reaching the end of Farenheit 451 and being handed an environmental message. Could work but it's in the wrong book.

Urhm what? synthetics vs organics has been a running theme in this series since day 1

It has, and it hasn't. We're shown time and again that synthetic life isn't innately hostile to organic life. There's conflicts, but, well, it's either a) caused by the Reapers, or the Reapers themselves. They're solving a problem that, in the entire setting, only they demonstrate.

Hell, even in ME1, before the whole "heretic/true geth" divide thing came into play, the only other synthetic species in the galaxy besides the Reapers had spent three hundred years in their own little corner of the galaxy, I don't know, knitting and playing scrabble. They weren't invading organic territories. And they only started once the Reapers turned up and convinced a portion of them it'd be a swell idea if they did.

IsaacShep wrote...
When did pople start suddenly start submitting completly to what the villains say lol?

We might not, but Shepard apparently does.

Star Brat: Blah blah it'll all happen again yadda yadda inevitable, further nonsense etc.
Shepard: Maybe.

DEFIANT WORDS THERE, SHEPARD.

It's like Shepard is Odin, the Catalyst is Loki and the reapers are the Ice Giants.

[shepskisaac]

The Angry One wrote...

Cough, yeah. That's what dialogue options are for, right? You know, the same dialogue options we've had for the whole game?

Of coure dialogue wheel would be better, but if there's not than "Maybe" is absolutely better than "You wrong!" or "You right!"

The Angry One wrote...
How about defy the Catalyst?

How?

The Angry One wrote...
Call the fleet and tell them to fight another way.

lulz

The Angry One wrote...
Or pontificate? Tell the Catalyst to stop this by itself. It's logic is flawed, it's no longer needed, aka Babylon 5 option.

To prove him his logic is flawed you need an AI that exceeded organics completly yet despite that doesn't want to kill organics.

[N7Gold]

Mallissin wrote...

PKchu wrote...

I'm surprised Tali died that much and still was as heavily featured as she was.

Not that I'm complaining.

Probably because people used her in the suicide mission vents without doing the loyalty mission.

Whereas everyone can agree, Jacob was pretty worthless and I doubt anyone picked him for anything on the suicide mission.

I resent that. I used him to lead the first fire squad.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

N7Gold wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

PKchu wrote...

I'm surprised Tali died that much and still was as heavily featured as she was.

Not that I'm complaining.

Probably because people used her in the suicide mission vents without doing the loyalty mission.

Whereas everyone can agree, Jacob was pretty worthless and I doubt anyone picked him for anything on the suicide mission.

I resent that. I used him to lead the first fire squad.

Garrus was the only one I trusted enough for that.

[Rocktel]

Being vague is just lazy.

[t003]

Well if thats true. BioWare won't see a penny from me any longer.

[anlk92]

SweetJeeba wrote...

Is there a script that explains why joker was, what I'm guessing, the middle of a jump between mass relays

I guess it was something like this:

ending too bleak>need more hope>have crew looking at the horizon on tropical planet>boy why would they be on a tropical planet>LOTS OF SPECULATIONS FROM EVERYONE

[III_wAR]

SweetJeeba wrote...

Is there a script that explains why joker was, what I'm guessing, the middle of a jump between mass relays

Joker was working with the reapers, left shepard for dead, picked up his LI and got the hell out of there.

See, using your imagination to fill in the blanks is fun.....that and space magic.

Modifié par III_wAR, 16 mars 2012 - 12:53 .

[LucidStrike]

Sparatus wrote...

savionen wrote...

I was unaware that anyone actually liked Jacob, ever.

Breathless, glinting skin
Muscles working in rhythm
Cloaked desire watches


Looking at me now
His indifferent eyes smile
I am a puddle


Beautiful and good
Punishing with his kindness
Jacob is perfect

Shepard and I are black, and we just thought,"This black guy's so meh. Why's Mike Vick here anyways? Get me a black character with some spark, jeez." Good thing we never said it aloud. We're polite. LOL.

[MrPuschel]

First we get a shooter based on market analystics. Let's say a fps for consoles. Then maybe a strategy game and also various games for iphone and android until the cow is dry.

Oh, and of course they won't have any canon or something. Just sometimes a little hint to pleasure all that indoctrinaton-mystical-creationism people.

[RLesueur]

It just boggles the mind that they thought this was a good ending.

I've loved Bioware for such a long time, what happened?