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[Psiok]

My 2nd play through and I thought I'd chose the 'non-heroic' route.  All was swell until I hit Redcliffe and did the Conner storyline.  Any parent that can watch that unfold and not be disturbed isn't human.  I've never had a computer game instill that type of emotion in me.  Kudo's to the actors involved. 

[Lord Beretor]

I laughed... alot. Granted, i am not a parent but still, it was a great part of the story.

Oh and i wasn't playing as a nice character...

[F-C]

[Kolaris8472]

Non-heroic being...? Killing Connor?



Eh, using Blood Rituals feel worse to me. Better to face the evil directly. But it was definitely a gray area.

[Ulrik the Slayer]

All I was thinking was "Man, that Isolde is a dumb-ass ****...." and I wanted to grab her by the neck and force her snobby stuck-up face into the fact that all of this was her own damn fault. I really hate how all the NPCs and companions rag at you for either using blood magic or killing the boy, and not saying a word of how incredibly stupid the mother acted!

Modifié par Ulrik the Slayer, 28 novembre 2009 - 08:50 .

[daem3an]

I've been close to tears several times in this game. Most recently, when it took me 15 tries to beat one battle... then when I was almost there I hit "I" and the game crashed.

[Lord Beretor]

Dude, no spoilers in this forum.

Why is it so difficult for people to grasp this very simple rule?

[DMTyrisis]

LOL - I was so disturbed by making this decision I started a new toon shortly after. Decided I needed to get my act together! LOL

[thebogle5]

Not being a hater.. I too was near tears at that point. Without spoilers... (I'll try) using the aid of the mage involved direction I took with the situation, as it all climaxed.. yeah, I was tearing up. I'm not a parent, but that was real good writing/acting!

[Mnemnosyne]

What I really wanted was an option to kill Isolde directly, and tell her why. I usually pick the blood magic ritual just because it kills her. And then I make a deal with the demon, so her sacrifice is for nothing. Reasons be damned, she aught to be executed for what she's done. Jowan tried to kill ONE GUY, and he regretted it. Her actions caused the deaths of hundreds, and she never really takes full responsibility for it if you let her live.

[adam_nox]

this isn't spoilerific or anything...



why would you cry over something like this though?



it's a lot sadder when aeris gets put under the water in ff7, or celes tries to kill herself in ff6, or it seems like leon has lost himself in ff8, or balthier looks like he's going to martyr himself in ff12. Ok so maybe I like ff series a bit much but still... even the end of lufia 2 was more poignant than anything dragonage has to offer.



I'm really sick of the way kids are treated in general. oh so effing sad the poor kid had something bad happen to them. In my opinion it's less sad because kids don't have the maturity to appreciate anything that's really going on around them. More like animals than people really. Yet the whole world has to freakin revolve around them.



by the time I got to redcliffe, it was apparent that lots of people had to die to end the blight. I was ready and eager to feed this kid some cold steel and a fireball, but noooooo jowan has to come in with his big stupid ideas and make me choose between the idiot mother (see if kids weren't the most important thing to people we wouldn't even be in this situation, he'd be in the circle), and the kid.

[adam_nox]

Koyasha wrote...

What I really wanted was an option to kill Isolde directly, and tell her why. I usually pick the blood magic ritual just because it kills her. And then I make a deal with the demon, so her sacrifice is for nothing. Reasons be damned, she aught to be executed for what she's done. Jowan tried to kill ONE GUY, and he regretted it. Her actions caused the deaths of hundreds, and she never really takes full responsibility for it if you let her live.

That's a bit of a stretch.  Firstly, the story with the kid able to rip open the fade is silly, or the circle would have been destroyed by kids long ago.  Secondly, you don't really know if it was jowan or the kid at this point in the game, and honestly you don't 100% ever know.  Thirdly, unknowingly making the world vulnerable to the malicious intentions of a demon is not nearly as wrong as knowingly trying to murder someone.  The demon is really to blame for the trouble, assign blame where it's deserved and don't try to multiply it.

[Ulrik the Slayer]

Koyasha wrote...

What I really wanted was an option to kill Isolde directly, and tell her why. I usually pick the blood magic ritual just because it kills her. And then I make a deal with the demon, so her sacrifice is for nothing. Reasons be damned, she aught to be executed for what she's done. Jowan tried to kill ONE GUY, and he regretted it. Her actions caused the deaths of hundreds, and she never really takes full responsibility for it if you let her live.

Amen! If anything, there should be an option to force her to kill Connor herself.

"Yeah that's right, b*tch, time to face the consequences!"

[Elanareon]

You cried at FF games? Man talk about emo...

[thebogle5]

It's not about the kid at all. To get into heavy spoiler territory hear (everyone else is)..



::Spoilers::Spoilers::Spoilers::



It's the irony of a mother trying so hard to protect her child, and finding all her decisions have in fact escalated the situation and made it worse for everyone involved. When the decisions is made to sacrifice her to save her child, and the cinematic begins with the escalating music and her body flung into the air as the blood mage hesitantly performs the ritual.. that merging of all these story arks into one.. I don't know, it was just a powerful moment.

Everything she did, she did for her child. And despite her best effort, it lead to his procession.. it's the helplessness of the human condition! For me anyway.

[Kolaris8472]

adam_nox wrote...

Koyasha wrote...

What I really wanted was an option to kill Isolde directly, and tell her why. I usually pick the blood magic ritual just because it kills her. And then I make a deal with the demon, so her sacrifice is for nothing. Reasons be damned, she aught to be executed for what she's done. Jowan tried to kill ONE GUY, and he regretted it. Her actions caused the deaths of hundreds, and she never really takes full responsibility for it if you let her live.

That's a bit of a stretch.  Firstly, the story with the kid able to rip open the fade is silly, or the circle would have been destroyed by kids long ago.  Secondly, you don't really know if it was jowan or the kid at this point in the game, and honestly you don't 100% ever know.  Thirdly, unknowingly making the world vulnerable to the malicious intentions of a demon is not nearly as wrong as knowingly trying to murder someone.  The demon is really to blame for the trouble, assign blame where it's deserved and don't try to multiply it.

That's what Templars are for, and Isolde was hiding Connar from the Chantry/Circle/Templars.

[Kolaris8472]

Ulrik the Slayer wrote...

Koyasha wrote...

What I really wanted was an option to kill Isolde directly, and tell her why. I usually pick the blood magic ritual just because it kills her. And then I make a deal with the demon, so her sacrifice is for nothing. Reasons be damned, she aught to be executed for what she's done. Jowan tried to kill ONE GUY, and he regretted it. Her actions caused the deaths of hundreds, and she never really takes full responsibility for it if you let her live.

Amen! If anything, there should be an option to force her to kill Connor herself.

"Yeah that's right, b*tch, time to face the consequences!"

Uhm...there is...not "force" her, but she does it voluntarily.

[Ulrik the Slayer]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Ulrik the Slayer wrote...

Koyasha wrote...

What I really wanted was an option to kill Isolde directly, and tell her why. I usually pick the blood magic ritual just because it kills her. And then I make a deal with the demon, so her sacrifice is for nothing. Reasons be damned, she aught to be executed for what she's done. Jowan tried to kill ONE GUY, and he regretted it. Her actions caused the deaths of hundreds, and she never really takes full responsibility for it if you let her live.

Amen! If anything, there should be an option to force her to kill Connor herself.

"Yeah that's right, b*tch, time to face the consequences!"

Uhm...there is...not "force" her, but she does it voluntarily.

Oh reaaaally? Pray tell how...

[marshalleck]

It's just a video game.

[cheeseslayersmu]

adam_nox wrote...

Koyasha wrote...

What I really wanted was an option to kill Isolde directly, and tell her why. I usually pick the blood magic ritual just because it kills her. And then I make a deal with the demon, so her sacrifice is for nothing. Reasons be damned, she aught to be executed for what she's done. Jowan tried to kill ONE GUY, and he regretted it. Her actions caused the deaths of hundreds, and she never really takes full responsibility for it if you let her live.

That's a bit of a stretch.  Firstly, the story with the kid able to rip open the fade is silly, or the circle would have been destroyed by kids long ago.  Secondly, you don't really know if it was jowan or the kid at this point in the game, and honestly you don't 100% ever know.  Thirdly, unknowingly making the world vulnerable to the malicious intentions of a demon is not nearly as wrong as knowingly trying to murder someone.  The demon is really to blame for the trouble, assign blame where it's deserved and don't try to multiply it.

According to the codex, the right of annulment has been used 17 times. The circle is more protected because they have the templars caging them in, but any mage can weaken the veil.

[Sinfulvannila]

Yeah I loved that part. I did the "non-heroic" way because I thought I was the most ethical way to go. I felt getting help would delay too long and there would probably be more innocent deaths.

[AgenTBC]

pffft. Planescape: Torment.

[Kolaris8472]

Ulrik the Slayer wrote...

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Ulrik the Slayer wrote...

Koyasha wrote...

What I really wanted was an option to kill Isolde directly, and tell her why. I usually pick the blood magic ritual just because it kills her. And then I make a deal with the demon, so her sacrifice is for nothing. Reasons be damned, she aught to be executed for what she's done. Jowan tried to kill ONE GUY, and he regretted it. Her actions caused the deaths of hundreds, and she never really takes full responsibility for it if you let her live.

Amen! If anything, there should be an option to force her to kill Connor herself.

"Yeah that's right, b*tch, time to face the consequences!"

Uhm...there is...not "force" her, but she does it voluntarily.

Oh reaaaally? Pray tell how...

You just...dang it, why do they even have seperate boards for Spoilers to begin with...


******SPOILERS*******


******SERIOUSLY******

Say to hell with the ritual, confront Connor, defeat the Desire Demon, Isolde runs up and begs for his life, go through most of the dialogue until you reach either 1. (Knock out Isolde, Killer Connor) or 2. 'Alright, you win' or something along those lines.

Connor wakes up, tells his mother how much pain he's in, Isolde asks you to leave and she kills him herself.

What's ridiculous is that Alistaire still gives you the full -14 Influence for killing him yourself, even though you didn't...


*******DEM SPOILERZ********


*******DER RIGHT ABOVE******

[Viglin]

Sinfulvannila wrote...

Yeah I loved that part. I did the "non-heroic" way because I thought I was the most ethical way to go. I felt getting help would delay too long and there would probably be more innocent deaths.

And there should have been more deaths too, since the village was attacked 3 nights running...it would have actually made this part even more dramatic, and made the idea of  "making hard choices" even more important.

But yes, this part was especially well done emotionally...even more so if you do go to the Mages Tower, wipe them out then come back and put the boy down.

I was impressed that the mother offered herself as the sarcfice, and that Tegan also blamed her...but afterwards its a mute point.

[thestreaker]

I hear ya. I too have been playing games for many years, and I'm man enough to admit that I got all misty-eyed at the end, which I can't say for any other game I've played.