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[Stargazer86]

I think the two Noble origins work the -least- well with they way you're inducted into the Grey Wardens. Both origins develop the whole "righteous vengeance" scenario, but then you're told to put that off and help destroy the blight instead.

Now, I'm not saying it's not a logical opinion to have, but with the way you're introduced to the Blight (Oh, hey, did you know there's a blight? Yeah, it's really bad.) compared to the way you're betrayed in either Origin (You actually get to watch and see how they both develop), the whole blight menace takes a major backseat to the immediate vengeance motif.

The Daelish Elf Origin presents the most vivid reason for why you should join the Grey Wardens (You're already poisoned) AND shows why you're needed to destroy the blight. Yes, you also get to fight blight with the Dwarf Noble, but the treachery presented there, I believe, over-shadows the impending blight wtfomg we're doomed thing..

Modifié par Stargazer86, 29 novembre 2009 - 02:43 .

[Revya]

Mage works even if you are loyal to Jowan.



I RP a mage who wants to see the outside world...and bug the guard every chance he gets by saying THATS A BIG DOOR

[Dtelm]

It should be noted, because several people seem to be confused, that in the dalish elf origin you have more motivation to join the grey wardens then "Aww why the hell not"



The joining is more then just drinking blood. They mix who knows what with it to make it surviveable. In the dalish elf origin if you dont join, youd be dead in a matter of days, you need the joining to survive.

[sirchet]

The city elf you join, or you die ... conscript anyone?

[Axterix]

For me, it felt most natural for my dwarves to join.

My dwarf noble was honorbound, do your duty, loyal to family, and all that.  When exiled, he lost his place, but the Warden's offered him a new honorable home, one that, by killing darkspawn, would continue to serve his people.

My good dwarven commoner was making the best of a bad situation.  Hoping for a better life.  She was capable, better than any of the warriors, but the dwarven caste system meant she had no place to go.  Duncan offered a better life, a meaningful life.  So she took it.

My mage felt good about joining as well.  He hated the Circle system and this let him get out from under it.

My human noble, well, a bit of conflict there.  She wanted to fight alongside her brother, was the better warrior of the pair.  But dad didn't let her.  She was interested in joining the Wardens, but dad also put a stop to that.  After the castle fell, she wanted revenge, Duncan invoked the right of conscription, so she's bound by honor.  She really doesn't mind being a Warden, but she does feel the tug of loyalty to the house (kill Howe, find brother).  Still, her feelings are tempered by a strong sense of duty.  As a noble, she must be willing to put aside what she wants for the greater good of her people.

[Saurel]

Stargazer86 wrote...

I think the two Noble origins work the -least- well with they way you're inducted into the Grey Wardens. Both origins develop the whole "righteous vengeance" scenario, but then you're told to put that off and help destroy the blight instead.

I thought the Dwarf Noble seemed a bit more natural than the Human Noble. The Human Noble felt like you found an escape on your own (I know others have said you would still have to fight through Howe's men or something to that extent)......whereas the Dwarf Noble one it seemed like you knew this was gonna be the end if you didn't meet up with Duncan.

[Dtelm]

Yea I agree that the Human Noble made the least amount of sense. I enjoyed being a human noble the most, in fact I did two playthroughs that way lol. (The second, I did literally every sidequest I could, whereas the first I had....not rushed through, but not explored every nook and cranny either)



Dwarven Noble was pretty natural, but i was kinda mad when I couldnt kill bhelen when I first got a meeting with him, or that I couldnt come back and say the paragon said I was innocent of my crimes and should be the next king.



My only beef with the mage was being forced to either help jowan, or tell on him. And once your forced to tell on him if you talk to irving, you are forced to 'help' him escape, otherwise it made sense.

[cglasgow]

Note as regards Dwarf Noble that the dwarves have an extremely different opinion about darkspawn than the surfacers do. Most of the surface world may have forgotten why the Grey Wardens are necessary, or what last Blight was like, but the dwarves of Orzammar sure haven't. Even the upstart nobles who never leave the Diamond Quarter and waste their lives playing intrigue games against each other still know that only a few levels below them, the Deep Roads crawl with darkspawn, and that if they ever breach the defenses then everything in Orzammar will die. Die like all the other lost cities and thaigs of the dwarves.



I can entirely imagine that the Dwarf Noble comes out swinging into Grey Wardenship with a burning hatred for the darkspawn like few have ever seen. He's had an epically bad month, and Ancestors know he needs something to take it out on. And hey, the eternal enemies of his race and the common foe of all civilized life just happens to be right over there, with breakable little faces just perfect for swinging an axe or a mace into.



So yeah, I never had any trouble feeling motivated to save Ferelden from the darkspawn as a dwarf noble. Sure, they're not dwarves, and its the surface, but no one deserves to be abandoned to the darkspawn.



Remember Bhelen's expeditionary field unit commander, that you meet in Tapster's? 'So long as the darkspawn still exist, there's no point in us using our weapons on anything else.' That may not be the universal dwarven attitude, but its a very common one.

[DirkD13]

For any of you talking about the circles influence on the mages have a runthrough with sten. He gives a much different worldview on the place of mages and what his culture does to them. The circle is a resort in comparison.