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[miltos33]

I'm not surprised. There's a consensus among gamers that the ending sucks. No matter how good the rest of the game may be the first and last impressions are always the most important.

[kbct]

cljqnsnyc wrote...

I think people are fooling themselves if they really think sites like Amazon and Metacritic don't matter. Both of these sites get millions of hits...millions! Do you honestly think negativity of this magnitude has no affect?

It does.

It drives word of mouth, and that...not professional reviews, drives sales more than anything. It can effectively make a game such as the case was with DA:O, or kill a game dead, as it was with DA2.

NO developer wants this kind of bad press. NOT A ONE!

Like a cancer, it has even made it's way into mainstream press...Forbes...and that will have a negative affect on sales. Considering that the voices of dissent, no matter what their sources are, have screamed loud enough and long enough, this has now pushed the story everwhere you see or hear mention of ME3.

The best thing Bioware can do is use the publicity to it's advantage and pull a massive "Broken Steel" to save face. They'd come out on top financially and it would go a long way to sure up an already wavering fanbase.

By the way......the customer IS STILL always right......unless you want to go bankrupt.

Well said. I don't know if BioWare will come out on top if they release a new ending DLC since a lot of damage has already been done, but I'm almost positive they'll do better than if they don't. Plus, a new ending DLC that satisfies the fans will go a long way to help sales of future DLCs and future games.

Modifié par kbct, 16 mars 2012 - 02:42 .

[AkiKishi]

kbct wrote...

cljqnsnyc wrote...

I think people are fooling themselves if they really think sites like Amazon and Metacritic don't matter. Both of these sites get millions of hits...millions! Do you honestly think negativity of this magnitude has no affect?

It does.

It drives word of mouth, and that...not professional reviews, drives sales more than anything. It can effectively make a game such as the case was with DA:O, or kill a game dead, as it was with DA2.

NO developer wants this kind of bad press. NOT A ONE!

Like a cancer, it has even made it's way into mainstream press...Forbes...and that will have a negative affect on sales. Considering that the voices of dissent, no matter what their sources are, have screamed loud enough and long enough, this has now pushed the story everwhere you see or hear mention of ME3.

The best thing Bioware can do is use the publicity to it's advantage and pull a massive "Broken Steel" to save face. They'd come out on top financially and it would go a long way to sure up an already wavering fanbase.

By the way......the customer IS STILL always right......unless you want to go bankrupt.

Well said. I don't know if BioWare will come out on top if they release a new ending DLC since a lot of damage has already been done, but I'm almost positive they'll do better than if they don't. Plus, a new ending DLC that satisfies the fans will go a long way to help sales of future DLCs and future games.

I think Bioware need to focus on salvaging their reputation right now. Whatever comes next does not have the instant draw of an established fanbase.

I kind of agree with what someone said above, we are seeing the begining of the end of Bioware. It's clear now that the strategy to shift fan base (first with DA2) with ME3 has failed. Sure ME3 will sell, but only in the sorts of numbers Bioware gets anyway. It's not going to be the next Skyrim whichi s what EA wanted.
Which leaves you with that nagging doubt. If Bioware can't do it with their flagship title, will they ever ? This release has left the Bioware name in tatters and the majority of the fanbase in revolt.

[Ronin1325]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

It goes beyond suck when I think they falsely advertised during the promotion the content of the actual product. If Capcom advertises with dozens of fighters and only has 18 available without DLC I'm not going to go, "Well gee golly they gave me 18 fighters that are on disk that's a close enough description for me." I'm going to go look your advertised product says it contains dozens of fighters you only have 18 thus your product receives a failing grade. If I turn in an essay for a scholarship that has to be at least 4 pages long and I give them a really good one that's 3.75 pages long I'm not going to get the scholarship. If the promotion doesn't match the product then it fails.

Right on again thunderhawk862002, it is not about what we want. It is about what was advertised to us.

[Persephone]

This serves neither "side".

Review bombing is idiotic, counter-productive and makes the reviewer no better than the 5 minutes of gaming content he condemns. MIXED reviews are taken FAR more seriously, they don't reek of hater/fanboy all over the place.

Damaging the sales does NOT help to "convince" Bioware. It actually makes it easier for them to pull the plug and that's it. Again, MIXED, in depth reviews make devs listen far more than review trolling.

This game does not deserve 0s or 1s. Whoever thinks so is not thinking straight. Period.

I am not 100% satisfied with the endings and I have some gripes with ME3. But this is a FANTASTIC game. Ratings should reflect the pros AND cons, not just one or the other. Focusing on one and ignoring the other is counter-productive. naive, immature, bratty and downright petty. You want to be convincing? Stop hiding behind charities and mindless memes and write IN DEPTH reviews, detailing the pros and cons. (Some have but they were bogged down by the primadonna antics of others) Tweet. Use FB. Post constructively on the BSN. In short: If you want a mature, logical conclusion to an M Rated game, behave in a fashion that suggests that you actually meet the age requirement.

Modifié par Persephone, 16 mars 2012 - 06:19 .

[wright1978]

cljqnsnyc wrote...

I think people are fooling themselves if they really think sites like Amazon and Metacritic don't matter. Both of these sites get millions of hits...millions! Do you honestly think negativity of this magnitude has no affect?

It does.

It drives word of mouth, and that...not professional reviews, drives sales more than anything. It can effectively make a game such as the case was with DA:O, or kill a game dead, as it was with DA2.

NO developer wants this kind of bad press. NOT A ONE!

Like a cancer, it has even made it's way into mainstream press...Forbes...and that will have a negative affect on sales. Considering that the voices of dissent, no matter what their sources are, have screamed loud enough and long enough, this has now pushed the story everwhere you see or hear mention of ME3.

The best thing Bioware can do is use the publicity to it's advantage and pull a massive "Broken Steel" to save face. They'd come out on top financially and it would go a long way to sure up an already wavering fanbase.

By the way......the customer IS STILL always right......unless you want to go bankrupt.

Yep this.

[Persephone]

wright1978 wrote...

cljqnsnyc wrote...

I think people are fooling themselves if they really think sites like Amazon and Metacritic don't matter. Both of these sites get millions of hits...millions! Do you honestly think negativity of this magnitude has no affect?

It does.

It drives word of mouth, and that...not professional reviews, drives sales more than anything. It can effectively make a game such as the case was with DA:O, or kill a game dead, as it was with DA2.

NO developer wants this kind of bad press. NOT A ONE!

Like a cancer, it has even made it's way into mainstream press...Forbes...and that will have a negative affect on sales. Considering that the voices of dissent, no matter what their sources are, have screamed loud enough and long enough, this has now pushed the story everwhere you see or hear mention of ME3.

The best thing Bioware can do is use the publicity to it's advantage and pull a massive "Broken Steel" to save face. They'd come out on top financially and it would go a long way to sure up an already wavering fanbase.

By the way......the customer IS STILL always right......unless you want to go bankrupt.

Yep this.

Working in sales....I cannot do anything but DISagree. Many customers are definitely NOT right and I HATE having to sweet-talk idiots whose arguments are completely baseless.

[Stalker]

That's the internet...like a completely overreacting pack of wolves.

The game is NOT that bad that it deserves a 2.0 rating. Even a terrible ending and Day1-DLC don't justify this senseless review-bombing. It's pathetic.

[thunderhawk862002]

Ronin1325 wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

It goes beyond suck when I think they falsely advertised during the promotion the content of the actual product. If Capcom advertises with dozens of fighters and only has 18 available without DLC I'm not going to go, "Well gee golly they gave me 18 fighters that are on disk that's a close enough description for me." I'm going to go look your advertised product says it contains dozens of fighters you only have 18 thus your product receives a failing grade. If I turn in an essay for a scholarship that has to be at least 4 pages long and I give them a really good one that's 3.75 pages long I'm not going to get the scholarship. If the promotion doesn't match the product then it fails.

Right on again thunderhawk862002, it is not about what we want. It is about what was advertised to us.

Indeed

http://social.biowar.../index/10065503

It seems like more people are sick of the stonewalling by Bioware/EA.  The naysayers say that there's red tape and Bioware can't talk.  Where's the proof?  It would be EA's doing anyway so maybe it's time they change their policy.  This is why people in the medical profession get sued.  The number one complaint is lack of communication and understanding.  However it hasn't gone that far yet and people are only filing for false advertising and they want it removed.  It seems like video game companies have now got their own special rules where they can't address consumers complaints in a reasonable time frame.  With any other product I can contact the manufacture and get a response to any problem I have with it.

Edit:  I just want to point out that he is raising the complaint with EA and not Bioware specifically.

Modifié par thunderhawk862002, 16 mars 2012 - 06:39 .

[kbct]

BobSmith101 wrote...

kbct wrote...

cljqnsnyc wrote...

I think people are fooling themselves if they really think sites like Amazon and Metacritic don't matter. Both of these sites get millions of hits...millions! Do you honestly think negativity of this magnitude has no affect?

It does.

It drives word of mouth, and that...not professional reviews, drives sales more than anything. It can effectively make a game such as the case was with DA:O, or kill a game dead, as it was with DA2.

NO developer wants this kind of bad press. NOT A ONE!

Like a cancer, it has even made it's way into mainstream press...Forbes...and that will have a negative affect on sales. Considering that the voices of dissent, no matter what their sources are, have screamed loud enough and long enough, this has now pushed the story everwhere you see or hear mention of ME3.

The best thing Bioware can do is use the publicity to it's advantage and pull a massive "Broken Steel" to save face. They'd come out on top financially and it would go a long way to sure up an already wavering fanbase.

By the way......the customer IS STILL always right......unless you want to go bankrupt.

Well said. I don't know if BioWare will come out on top if they release a new ending DLC since a lot of damage has already been done, but I'm almost positive they'll do better than if they don't. Plus, a new ending DLC that satisfies the fans will go a long way to help sales of future DLCs and future games.

I think Bioware need to focus on salvaging their reputation right now. Whatever comes next does not have the instant draw of an established fanbase.

I kind of agree with what someone said above, we are seeing the begining of the end of Bioware. It's clear now that the strategy to shift fan base (first with DA2) with ME3 has failed. Sure ME3 will sell, but only in the sorts of numbers Bioware gets anyway. It's not going to be the next Skyrim whichi s what EA wanted.
Which leaves you with that nagging doubt. If Bioware can't do it with their flagship title, will they ever ? This release has left the Bioware name in tatters and the majority of the fanbase in revolt.

I agree. BioWare should be in damage control mode right now and not siding on the sidelines "waiting for godot."

However, I have faith in BioWare's ability to change their trajectory. There is no need to believe this wreck can't be salvaged. I think if they fess up to their mistakes and try to right the wrongs, I think most people will forgive them. Unfortunately, I don't think they'll have the reputation they had pre-ME3 for awhile.

I doubt they're gonna have the same number of pre-orders next time either.

[blitzzz]

Modifié par blitzzz, 16 mars 2012 - 06:44 .

[blitzzz]

miltos33 wrote...

I'm not surprised. There's a consensus among gamers that the ending sucks. No matter how good the rest of the game may be the first and last impressions are always the most important.

speak for yourself.

[dkear1]

Mr Massakka wrote...

That's the internet...like a completely overreacting pack of wolves.

The game is NOT that bad that it deserves a 2.0 rating. Even a terrible ending and Day1-DLC don't justify this senseless review-bombing. It's pathetic.

This is your opinion.  If the current ending stays I and many others think it does deserve a 2.  This is where we agree to disagree.  You smearing others opinions because it doesn't parrot your own is IMHO the exact thing your are crying out against.  The market will decide whether the game does well or not just as it should.

[Persephone]

dkear1 wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

That's the internet...like a completely overreacting pack of wolves.

The game is NOT that bad that it deserves a 2.0 rating. Even a terrible ending and Day1-DLC don't justify this senseless review-bombing. It's pathetic.

This is your opinion.  If the current ending stays I and many others think it does deserve a 2.  This is where we agree to disagree.  You smearing others opinions because it doesn't parrot your own is IMHO the exact thing your are crying out against.  The market will decide whether the game does well or not just as it should.

So five minutes outweigh 30+ hours of brilliance?

I never understood that kind of fanaticism.

[nelly21]

You know what's hilarious. Gamers always complain about professional reviews. How they don't look deep enough because if they did, they would have to admit that MW 3 and GOW 3 don't deserve 9's and 10's.


But they sure as hell are quick to employ the same reviewing techniques themselves.

[BellatrixLugosi]

Persephone wrote...

dkear1 wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

That's the internet...like a completely overreacting pack of wolves.

The game is NOT that bad that it deserves a 2.0 rating. Even a terrible ending and Day1-DLC don't justify this senseless review-bombing. It's pathetic.

This is your opinion.  If the current ending stays I and many others think it does deserve a 2.  This is where we agree to disagree.  You smearing others opinions because it doesn't parrot your own is IMHO the exact thing your are crying out against.  The market will decide whether the game does well or not just as it should.

So five minutes outweigh 30+ hours of brilliance?

I never understood that kind of fanaticism.

I certainly haven't been able to understand the rationalization behind it.  When I was on a few topics yesterday someone was telling me that some of the more myopic fans are sending Death Threats.  Whether that is true or not, I'm really with the critics on the "Spoiled brats" bandwagon

[dkear1]

Persephone wrote...

dkear1 wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

That's the internet...like a completely overreacting pack of wolves.

The game is NOT that bad that it deserves a 2.0 rating. Even a terrible ending and Day1-DLC don't justify this senseless review-bombing. It's pathetic.

This is your opinion.  If the current ending stays I and many others think it does deserve a 2.  This is where we agree to disagree.  You smearing others opinions because it doesn't parrot your own is IMHO the exact thing your are crying out against.  The market will decide whether the game does well or not just as it should.

So five minutes outweigh 30+ hours of brilliance?

I never understood that kind of fanaticism.

You don't need to understand someone else's opinion and you won't get far insulting them.  The end leaves a bad taste in my mouth so that is why I feel that way.  If you don't then good for you.

[HiroVoid]

Players'll review it whatever they felt it deserved at the end.

nelly21 wrote...

You know what's hilarious. Gamers always complain about professional reviews. How they don't look deep enough because if they did, they would have to admit that MW 3 and GOW 3 don't deserve 9's and 10's.


But they sure as hell are quick to employ the same reviewing techniques themselves.

You're representing a popular company, and you're assuming that these gamers are one entity rather than millions of people with different opinions and thought patterns.

Modifié par HiroVoid, 16 mars 2012 - 06:56 .

[Genshie]

Persephone wrote...

dkear1 wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

That's the internet...like a completely overreacting pack of wolves.

The game is NOT that bad that it deserves a 2.0 rating. Even a terrible ending and Day1-DLC don't justify this senseless review-bombing. It's pathetic.

This is your opinion.  If the current ending stays I and many others think it does deserve a 2.  This is where we agree to disagree.  You smearing others opinions because it doesn't parrot your own is IMHO the exact thing your are crying out against.  The market will decide whether the game does well or not just as it should.

So five minutes outweigh 30+ hours of brilliance?

I never understood that kind of fanaticism.

If you apply that "2" comment I wonder how the hell people get through movies at times. People must have really short attention spans if something that short blows their experience entirely.  The game is great and most people who have had issues with the ending also have said this both unprofessional and professional reviews.

[kw0lf]

EA will call Amazon and Amazon will buckle and remove all the 1 star ratings. Should be up to 4 stars by tomorrow.

[Elhanan]

Here is another Amazon linked rating; not so shabby:

http://www.gamasutra...s_worldwide.php

[kbct]

There are over 1000 reviews for ME3 across all platforms on Amazon now. About half of them are 1 out of 5 stars.

People obviously care about the ending.

Unless Amazon purges the scores, ME3 can't recover from this.

[Elhanan]

kbct wrote...

There are over 1000 reviews for ME3 across all platforms on Amazon now. About half of them are 1 out of 5 stars.

People obviously care about the ending.

Unless Amazon purges the scores, ME3 can't recover from this.

Recovering from Top Sales is a hard act to follow; indeed! (see link above)

[kbct]

Elhanan wrote...

kbct wrote...

There are over 1000 reviews for ME3 across all platforms on Amazon now. About half of them are 1 out of 5 stars.

People obviously care about the ending.

Unless Amazon purges the scores, ME3 can't recover from this.

Recovering from Top Sales is a hard act to follow; indeed! (see link above)

ME3 can't recover from the low average score on Amazon. It will take hundreds of great reviews to raise it from 2/5 to 3/5.

We all know a ton of people pre-ordered this game and we all know it took a week for the backlash to gain momentum.

The question is how will sales be in the coming weeks.

Any idea how many copies they need to sell to breakeven?

Modifié par kbct, 16 mars 2012 - 07:47 .