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[Fezztheeelite2]

wright1978 wrote...

Sorry but the negative user review scores are accurate. of course the major factor in them is the ending but it is probably the most important feature of the end of a trilogy and they went a awful plothole ridden railroaded dog turd of a one.

This!

[Elhanan]

From my skewed POV, I much prefer what I have read of a group raising funds for charity in order to get an official change to the conclusion. It appreared to be amusing, imaginative, and a far more mature approach to seeing any change occur than this type of whining.

[BellatrixLugosi]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

Because of the way you've been reacting?  I personally just want to know exactly what is the consenses on what would be a good ending for you guys at this point, because obviously you guys are impossible to satisfy if a ending to a game that you enjoyed up till then warrant's this wild behavior.

I have no problem if you guys want a New ending dlc........just that you pay for it.....and stop acting like brats

I will (gladly) pay for a new ending dlc, let's have no illusions about that.

Good, now if the thousands of your other compatriots would do the same, this matter could slowly come under control then

[Persephone]

Elhanan wrote...

From my skewed POV, I much prefer what I have read of a group raising funds for charity in order to get an official change to the conclusion. It appreared to be amusing, imaginative, and a far more mature approach to seeing any change occur than this type of whining.

Same here. At least something good came out of this.

[cljqnsnyc]

Elhanan wrote...

From my skewed POV, I much prefer what I have read of a group raising funds for charity in order to get an official change to the conclusion. It appreared to be amusing, imaginative, and a far more mature approach to seeing any change occur than this type of whining.

Whatever you may think of it, the result is what counts. By this I mean the negative publicity it generates towards the game. By now, who has not heard about the end of ME3? Even casuals who don't pay attenttion to forums and the like are probably aware now, due to the overwhelming amount of press it's getting.

So, is it silly and immature? That's open to interpretation. Is it getting it's point across?

I'd say loud and clear...which probably was the point all along.

Also take into account that this"whinning" is practcly everywhere you turn and is now part of the ME3 story.

That aint good for Bioware.

...unless they planned it from the start in order to take a page from the Bethesda playbook.

They would make a killing. I'd even buy the game and the DLC myself.

Modifié par cljqnsnyc, 16 mars 2012 - 09:49 .

[Fezztheeelite2]

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Why do you entitled defenders feel so entitled to rant about the opinions of entitled players who are upset with a game made by an entitled company who felt that their ending is what would satisfy fans?

Because of the way you've been reacting?  I personally just want to know exactly what is the consenses on what would be a good ending for you guys at this point, because obviously you guys are impossible to satisfy if a ending to a game that you enjoyed up till then warrant's this wild behavior.

I have no problem if you guys want a New ending dlc........just that you pay for it.....and stop acting like brats

I'm sorry that you feel people are being "brats" because they are upset about a game they cared about. If you dont like the majority vote on this, and I do mean majority, then get off the forums.

[Fezztheeelite2]

http://www.change.or...acebook_friends

This is pretty impressive by the by.

[kbct]

Fezztheeelite2 wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Fezztheeelite2 wrote...

Finally! I am glad to hear that people are actually letting their feelings on the game be heard. Maybe if they loose enough money they will learn from there mistake.

oh you mean the 'mistake' of writing an ending they are happy with? oh, I missed the part where you worked for Bioware and owned rights to the copyright and had producer level status on the project lol. Amazon ratings will do nothing just like the metacritic, and every other sad form of internet whining

If you honestly think they wrote that ending because they were "happy with it" you sir are a fool. And no you are right I don't work for Bioware or own rights to the copywrite or have producer level status, which doesnt matter, because that has NOTHING to do with my comment. If you are going to troll, do a better job. I have seen good games, games that were taken care of and carried out above normal standards. Such as Mass Effect 1 and 2. don't get butthurt because my opinion differs from yours.

Here are a couple Mr. Woo quotes that address the backlash. You can judge for yourself what they mean:

"Seriously, though, if you think there is some magic formula that allows prodcut creators to see the future and gauge consumer response, then I'd like to get my hands on it because that's a billion dollar bit of wizardry right there!
No one can predict the future."

-and-

"... they'll be missing out on a game that's, by all popular accounts, one of the best super-awesome games EVAR and a great complement to the Mass Effect series and Shepard's story... aside from the ending."

It sounds to me as if they didn't expect this.

[Oldbones2]

I don't 'work in sales' but in my summer job I coach rich kids at a sports camp. Some of their parents are nice. Some of them complain. A lot. Those are some entitled people.

When one of the parents does complain, I don't brush off their comments or even explain why I think they are wrong. I sit there and make sure they have all the facts and listen to them gripe.

If they have a request, right or wrong, smart or dumb, I try and accommodate them. Not because I want to. But because when your customer asks for something, it is always in your best interest to TRY to provide it.

And if multiple customers/parents ask for the same thing, I make damned sure it happens because even if they are the minority, chances are I'm doing something wrong.

[kbct]

din626 wrote...

Now there's the argument that no matter what ending Bioware came up with there'd be people whining about how much it sucked. This is also perfectly true and will happen no matter what they do. But when the weight is such that over 5% of the current sales on Amazon have joined a facebook group... you just might, just might have something wrong on your hands.

I understand where the writers were coming from but it occured to me within minutes of being on the boards here that if they wanted positive buzz generation and "lots of speculation" they could have not included certain revelations in the end scene (the stupid circular logic bit folks are complaining/yodawg-ing about especially considering how Soverign, Harbinger and "Blinky" talk to you and our ability to comprehend things) which would have happily left all of us speculating away and wondering how, why, when, etc etc. Instead we find ourselves following already established lore and logic and coming to initial terrifying conclusions followed rapidly by "What happened to xxxxxx and why?" to nearly a dozen different questions.

Nice post. However, it may not be the writers fault. Some exec could have told the writers (actual Mac Walters) how to end it.

Your point about Amazon and Facebook is interesting.

[BellatrixLugosi]

Fezztheeelite2 wrote...

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Why do you entitled defenders feel so entitled to rant about the opinions of entitled players who are upset with a game made by an entitled company who felt that their ending is what would satisfy fans?

Because of the way you've been reacting?  I personally just want to know exactly what is the consenses on what would be a good ending for you guys at this point, because obviously you guys are impossible to satisfy if a ending to a game that you enjoyed up till then warrant's this wild behavior.

I have no problem if you guys want a New ending dlc........just that you pay for it.....and stop acting like brats

I'm sorry that you feel people are being "brats" because they are upset about a game they cared about. If you dont like the majority vote on this, and I do mean majority, then get off the forums.

Nah rather stay, its facinating to watch you guys go crazy over 10 minutes

[Oldbones2]

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

Fezztheeelite2 wrote...

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Why do you entitled defenders feel so entitled to rant about the opinions of entitled players who are upset with a game made by an entitled company who felt that their ending is what would satisfy fans?

Because of the way you've been reacting?  I personally just want to know exactly what is the consenses on what would be a good ending for you guys at this point, because obviously you guys are impossible to satisfy if a ending to a game that you enjoyed up till then warrant's this wild behavior.

I have no problem if you guys want a New ending dlc........just that you pay for it.....and stop acting like brats

I'm sorry that you feel people are being "brats" because they are upset about a game they cared about. If you dont like the majority vote on this, and I do mean majority, then get off the forums.

Nah rather stay, its facinating to watch you guys go crazy over 10 minutes

I think one ending that would have placated a lot, maybe most of the fans would have been to just have Shepard and Anderson ****ing die on the platform with the Crucible firing and us NEVER MEETING THE REAPER GOD CHILD.  Then Anderson could have the AWESOME long dialogue he has, fans get and logical, but bittersweet ending, Bioware gets to have us speculate on lots of things like, Reapers motivations (Which are hinted at, but never stated), where the galaxy will go from there, what happens to the Crucible/Citadel stuck over Earth.

That and a short epilogue would have satisfied most of the people I think. 

BUT NOOOO, Bioware has to have their Reaper God-Child, for some reason.

[wolfstanus]

So I take it this game is worse than E.T (Atari) and superman 64 then good to see we have such astute gamers in the modern age.

[BellatrixLugosi]

wolfstanus wrote...

So I take it this game is worse than E.T (Atari) and superman 64 then good to see we have such astute gamers in the modern age.

I like you

[wolfstanus]

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

wolfstanus wrote...

So I take it this game is worse than E.T (Atari) and superman 64 then good to see we have such astute gamers in the modern age.

I like you

I like yo too lets shepmance

[Ronin1325]

Ronin1325 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Why do you entitled defenders feel so entitled to rant about the opinions of entitled players who are upset with a game made by an entitled company who felt that their ending is what would satisfy fans?

Definitely. And for those who think complaining about the ending is unjustified, *please* read this interview from January-

http://www.oxm.co.uk...-sophisticated/

Now, please explain to us how what we actually got in any way resembles what is talked about here? 

I still have yet to see any ending supporters respond to this. All I'm asking is for someone to explain how what is stated in this interview meshes up with what we got. Maybe I'm missing something, I'm not trying to be sarcastic.

[Xrissie]

classy move, internet. Company does something you don't like? Actively try to ruin it. Way to stand up to da man. bros!

[wolfstanus]

I hope that's sarcasm.

I love ME... Don't make anymore
Ilove ME I'm not going to buy another
I love me I'm jumping ship.
LI love me boycot bioware

Modifié par wolfstanus, 16 mars 2012 - 10:41 .

[Elhanan]

cljqnsnyc wrote...

Whatever you may think of it, the result is what counts. By this I mean the negative publicity it generates towards the game. By now, who has not heard about the end of ME3? Even casuals who don't pay attenttion to forums and the like are probably aware now, due to the overwhelming amount of press it's getting.

So, is it silly and immature? That's open to interpretation. Is it getting it's point across?

I'd say loud and clear...which probably was the point all along.

Also take into account that this"whinning" is practcly everywhere you turn and is now part of the ME3 story.

That aint good for Bioware.

...unless they planned it from the start in order to take a page from the Bethesda playbook.

They would make a killing. I'd even buy the game and the DLC myself.

And in this way, one would be wrong. Because as a casual that does not pay much attention to ME3 (see games owned), I read of the charity ploy in an actual news source; not another whiner filled thread ranting over desired conclusions. And I have been on the Bioware forums for12+ yrs or so.

Haters gotta hate; does not mean folks gotta listen.

[Ronin1325]

Xrissie wrote...

classy move, internet. Company does something you don't like? Actively try to ruin it. Way to stand up to da man. bros!

Xrissie, for many of us it's not about getting something we don't like. It isn't about personal opinion. It's about the game being marketed again & again as something that it turned out not to be. Read through that article I posted above, then tell me how it meshes with the actual ending of the game.

As I've said before, I personally don't care if Bioware wanted to make a linear-style Japanese RPG, or if they had sold the game without making any statements about the ending. But they DID, and all of those claims they made are false.

[aksoileau]

People have problems with the game, so they blast user reviews on metacritic and amazon. It's nothing new. It's one thing to complain about a minor gameplay issue and give the game a low score, but when you bomb an ending that was five years in the making that is completely from left field, people have the right to demand action.

If someone burnt your $60 steak you'd want a new one right?

Welcome to consumerism folks.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Why do you entitled defenders feel so entitled to rant about the opinions of entitled players who are upset with a game made by an entitled company who felt that their ending is what would satisfy fans?

Because of the way you've been reacting?  I personally just want to know exactly what is the consenses on what would be a good ending for you guys at this point, because obviously you guys are impossible to satisfy if a ending to a game that you enjoyed up till then warrant's this wild behavior.

I have no problem if you guys want a New ending dlc........just that you pay for it.....and stop acting like brats

They hate the endings, let them.  You love the endings, go for it.  If you don't like negative reactions... you may want to broaden your horizons...

When there's a backlash this massive, there's a legitimate reason.

[AkiKishi]

[quote]kbct wrote...
If you honestly think they wrote that ending because they were "happy with it" you sir are a fool. And no you are right I don't work for Bioware or own rights to the copywrite or have producer level status, which doesnt matter, because that has NOTHING to do with my comment. If you are going to troll, do a better job. I have seen good games, games that were taken care of and carried out above normal standards. Such as Mass Effect 1 and 2. don't get butthurt because my opinion differs from yours.[/quote]

Here are a couple Mr. Woo quotes that address the backlash. You can judge for yourself what they mean:

"Seriously, though, if you think there is some magic formula that allows prodcut creators to see the future and gauge consumer response, then I'd like to get my hands on it because that's a billion dollar bit of wizardry right there!
No one can predict the future."

-and-

"... they'll be missing out on a game that's, by all popular accounts, one of the best super-awesome games EVAR and a great complement to the Mass Effect series and Shepard's story... aside from the ending."

It sounds to me as if they didn't expect this.
[/quote]

I don't think anyone saw this one coming .Even after seeing the endings a couple of days before release and finding them stupid and full of plot holes I could never have predicted how emotive this would get. I was shocked that they had chosen to end the flag ship series in such an unpolished manner but it's happened before.  

Still if people want to express their opinion by slamming ME3 it is their right to do so. People trying to pretend that these endings are perfect are just making themselves look stupid. Anyone with eyes can see the plot holes, whether or not they are invested in the outcome.

[wolfstanus]

aksoileau wrote...

People have problems with the game, so they blast user reviews on metacritic and amazon. It's nothing new. It's one thing to complain about a minor gameplay issue and give the game a low score, but when you bomb an ending that was five years in the making that is completely from left field, people have the right to demand action.

If someone burnt your $60 steak you'd want a new one right?

Welcome to consumerism folks.

I didn't like the food at a restaurant. I should have gathers others like me to make them change it even thouh it's a traditional Korean restaurant.

[SalsaDMA]

The issues I asume riling up people is the blatant disregard for the thinking consumer.

There were/are statements that specifically said/says that

a) the endings would be varied and take your choices into account while being a closure.
multiplayer would not be required to get the best ending.

Both of these statements seems blatantly false as people have started getting their hands dirty on the actual game.

Add Origin-required, day 1 DLC, a targeted advert at the end of the game to entice people to buy more DLC in the future and a general 'we want more money for less product' atmosphere to some of the choices Bioware are doing lately and you end up with a lot of people that just get pissed off at being treated like dumb cashcows.

That's my asumption for the backlash, anyway.

Don't respect the consumer, and the consumer will start loosing respect for you too.