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[Gromnir]

Ok...up until the ending, the game was excellent.  I would probably put it as the best game in the series.  It undid a lot of the "dumbing down" from ME2, with weapon mod slots, more skills, more skill evolutions, and skill interactions.  The missions were more varied than the simple "recruit xxx" and "gain xxx loyalty" format of ME2.

It had a very epic feel throughout the entire game, a sense of time pressure without actually inflicting timers.  I only know of 1 mission that was actually time sensitive.  The game had some truly heavy moments and tough decisions throughout.  The decisions made in ME1 and ME2 DID have effects throughout the game (just not at the end), much more so than ME1 affected ME2.

The ending was bad, and one can only hope that ME3 gets a "Broken Steel" of its own.  But I think people are going overboard on this.  If I were to write up a review, I would probably go from 5/5 down to 4.  Half a point for the ending itself and another half for the galactic readiness/EMS/multi-player debacle.  I think a good DLC expansion would go a long way for a lot of fans.

[Viyu]

I think that most people can admit that the game was pretty good until the end. However, what do YOU think is going to speak louder to Bioware, and give them the idea they need to change the ending? Leaving it at a 4.5 and giving the impression that the game is relatively good, and worth playing the whole way through, or a 2? People who look at those scores and see a high star are going to think its ok to play the whole thing, which would naturally be misleading. Nobody plays a game to just stop for no reason at the end.

Bad scores makes them look bad and forces them to act, and I'm sure a lot of people have picked up on that because they don't think Bioware will listen to them unless they use these tactics. I doubt they would've been given as much attention if any at all if they didn't make a big thing out of it. It's sad, but the people who scream the loudest are most likely get what they want in this world.

Modifié par Viyu, 16 mars 2012 - 05:24 .

[gangly369]

KBomb wrote...

gangly369 wrote...

*snipped for space*

 
When speaking of the trolls, “you” was a term I was using for the general forum populace.

I still stand by my stance though that there is a proper way of expressing your discontent, and screaming out how your never gonna buy a bioware game isn't one of them (this is assuming you are still a fan and want to help bioware. if not then do whatever you want, your basically a troll at that point for being on a game forum that you dont even like)

This is where I get the fan thing from. People come here for different reasons and if they are genuinely upset over the game, I'd say they were fans to begin with. I can say, “I am really disappointed and will no longer be spending my money on a Bioware game until I see improvement.” I'd still come here for news and hope. I think most people would. That isn't trolling.


As for constructive criticism. If I am writing out my concerns for a developer to see, I may list only the complaints I have. Same thing with a review. Some may do it differently, but if I am writing something for constructive criticism, I won't list all the things I love about because if it isn't in the criticism, then it's logical that I enjoyed that aspect. I don't agree with bomb reviews and metacritic is known for that. It isn't right, but it goes both ways. Bombing something with perfect scores is just as bad. It isn't constructive, but neither is this:

Or, you know, the majority of you will just skim over this and resume your whining about wanting more and more. /sigh first world problems, eh?

You keep going on with this fan thing as if I'm including people with legitimate complaints and equating them as trolls. I. Am. Not. Your also painting this as if I'm saying people aren't allowed to come on here at all to look for info, just because I said that them not buying bioware games anymore doesn't really make them a fan. They can do that. I have no problem with that whatsoever. If they continue with such things as 'Bioware has abandoned us and are only in it for a quick buck', after saying they won't ever come back, than yes I have a problem with it because that isn't how a fan reacts. I don't care who you are, actively going around these forums and talking about how much you hate bioware doesnt make you a fan.

And I apologize that you misinterpreted what I said by the above quote. As I already said, it was a joke, both on how long my post was (hence the skimming over it because of post that big does lead some people to ignore it) and the whole arguing over a game. I'm sorry

Edit: Again I apologize if I'm wrong (starting to get tired), but are you trying to insult me with the 'When speaking of trolls "you" was a term I was useing for the general forum populace." Just noting how similar it is to what I said, and it is so very hard to tell when people are being sarcastic on the internet 
Edit 2: Bold- changed troll to fan (my bad)
Edit 3: last edit I promise 

Modifié par gangly369, 16 mars 2012 - 05:51 .

[goten11756]

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

What Bioware defenders are really saying is: Let Bioware get as much money and praise as humanly possible with what they gave us.

Wrong. Why is it always about money to you people?

Because money was the reason why the game became plagued with so many problems and faults...

They rushed/crapped the ending...didnt give the players control over their actions carried over by the first and second games.. As I recall, the Mass Effect trilogy was hailed and advertised as a game(s) that the player can control and have it play to their actions/decisions...something that the ending did NOT address...

They ripped the Day 1 DLC from the main game, and lied about it...for money... Integral part of the main story taken out to be sold as an additional source of income...

[thunderhawk862002]

wolfstanus wrote...

Let me get this right most people loved 90-99% of the game so it deserves 1-2 stars...

Lol at the logic

You have to review the game on the whole.  It doesn't matter that a fix could be made, it only matters what is in the game itself.  If the game destroys the replayability of itself and the two preceding games before it because the ending destroyed a key part of the franchise then it's valid.   If you're reviewing a multilayer cake as a food critic and the middle layer is godawful horrible and makes you vomit.  Are you going to go, "I rate the cake 4/5, the other layers were good even though I could never eat the whole slice as it is."?  

[Iodine]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
They're too talented for those endings to not be done on purpose... they did it to cut costs and sell DLC. This is not an example the industry should be following.

I didn't support the Day 1 DLC boycott, I didn't rage about the endings, I completely disagreed with the metacritic review bombing, etc.

But it's just been looking more and more like the ending was intentionally set up to allow an ending DLC that just about everyone will buy (as opposed to the mostly ignored appearance packs, minor weapons, etc. that only sell moderately well), regardless of how many people say they will "never buy from Bioware/EA again" and that they refuse to buy an ending DLC.

If they truly did set this up as a viral ME3-ending-hate campaign, then they successfully got players DEMANDING, PETITIONING and DONATING/CAMPAIGNING to be SOLD a "proper" ending DLC. And if this is the case, I say they deserve as much review bombing and boycotting as possible, because it's a) terrible even by EA standards, will be sickeningly effective and probably the easiest millions they've ever made, and c) will set a horrible new precedent in an existing downward spiral of DLCs and microtransactions.

But ONLY if it's intentionally been manipulated for ending DLC, otherwise review bombing is pretty immature and sad - especially just for an unsatisfactory ending. Are you people actually fickle enough that the "last 10 minutes ruined the entire series for me"? Hundreds or thousands of hours of gameplay you enjoyed suddenly doesn't matter because you don't like the last few minutes? I have about 550 hours of just ME2 insanity vanguard play that was some of the most fun I've ever had gaming, and the ending of the next game doesn't change that one bit.

Modifié par Iodine, 16 mars 2012 - 05:33 .

[goten11756]

wolfstanus wrote...

Let me get this right most people loved 90-99% of the game so it deserves 1-2 stars...

Lol at the logic

Ok...lets try this...

You go to a restaurant, order a delicious sandwhich. When the meal comes, you bite into it, and your mouth starts watering and you get happy because it tastes really good. When you get to the last few bites of the sandwhich, you see a cockroach crawling out of your sandwhich....

Now you tell me if you are willing to give the restaurant a five star rating?...

[wolfstanus]

I say give it what it deserves.

Does it deserve to have lower ratings than superman 64? (lol dating myself)

No it deserves to be at least 7 or 8

As I always said the "fans" will always ruin a IP. So fare I'm not wrong as I always see a backlash like this coming. Never fails.

Seriously though how shallow are some of you? I hated 1-10% of the game so I will rage and give it a 1 because I'm emotional and I love the IP so abandoned it and moved on derp. Boycot bioware lolol

[KroganShepard]

Gromnir wrote...

Ok...up until the ending, the game was excellent.  I would probably put it as the best game in the series.  It undid a lot of the "dumbing down" from ME2, with weapon mod slots, more skills, more skill evolutions, and skill interactions.  The missions were more varied than the simple "recruit xxx" and "gain xxx loyalty" format of ME2.

It had a very epic feel throughout the entire game, a sense of time pressure without actually inflicting timers.  I only know of 1 mission that was actually time sensitive.  The game had some truly heavy moments and tough decisions throughout.  The decisions made in ME1 and ME2 DID have effects throughout the game (just not at the end), much more so than ME1 affected ME2.

The ending was bad, and one can only hope that ME3 gets a "Broken Steel" of its own.  But I think people are going overboard on this.  If I were to write up a review, I would probably go from 5/5 down to 4.  Half a point for the ending itself and another half for the galactic readiness/EMS/multi-player debacle.  I think a good DLC expansion would go a long way for a lot of fans.

What are you talking about?  Mass Effect 2 was much more better.  Man you people dunno what a good game is.

[dkear1]

The ending is quite a vital part of darn near anything and in most cases can ruin an entire experience. Not a tough thing to see IMHO.

[dkear1]

wolfstanus wrote...

I say give it what it deserves.

Does it deserve to have lower ratings than superman 64? (lol dating myself)

No it deserves to be at least 7 or 8

As I always said the "fans" will always ruin a IP. So fare I'm not wrong as I always see a backlash like this coming. Never fails.

Seriously though how shallow are some of you? I hated 1-10% of the game so I will rage and give it a 1 because I'm emotional and I love the IP so abandoned it and moved on derp. Boycot bioware lolol

So someone who doesn't share your particular opinon is "shallow" and "emotional"?  Yep....you just invalidated any hope of convincing others to embrace your opinion.  Good job!

Modifié par dkear1, 16 mars 2012 - 05:43 .

[thunderhawk862002]

wolfstanus wrote...

I say give it what it deserves.

Does it deserve to have lower ratings than superman 64? (lol dating myself)

No it deserves to be at least 7 or 8

As I always said the "fans" will always ruin a IP. So fare I'm not wrong as I always see a backlash like this coming. Never fails.

Seriously though how shallow are some of you? I hated 1-10% of the game so I will rage and give it a 1 because I'm emotional and I love the IP so abandoned it and moved on derp. Boycot bioware lolol

I don't know about you but Mass Effect was always marketed as choices.  Then they got the idea that the choices you made in 1 and 2 would play a huge impact in 3 and would end with a definitive conclusion.  Then the advertisements began to include radically different endings and your decisions influence the outcome.  Add that to the developers saying that thery're would be no questions left, how could your Shepard you've used through 3 games end up with a bespoken ending that everyone got.  

What I was expecting was a wrap up similar to Dragon Age: Origins.   Wrex/Wreav would be the new Harrowmont/Bhelen choice.  You would find out where your party members end up.  Instead the real plan from the developers was to have the game end on speculation with 3 similar outcomes with minimal variations.  If I had the truth about the product I would have never played it.    All those major decisions I've made throughout 100+ hours of gameplay?  Poof gone.  Doesn't really matter.  

[Lancane]

Actually I gave Mass Effect a poor review, and I am not sorry that I did so. People can act pompous all they like and say it's unfair because of their loyalty to Bioware for the many quality gaming moments that surpass the few bad ones. I love most of the products that the company has developed over the past decade myself. However, I am a writer and journalist by profession and do a lot of reviews from movies to books, to games, toys and music. I was fair, even stating that the game was set to be the best in the trilogy, the game play and graphics surpassed both previous titles. And I admitted that it was the horrendously poor written ending that hurt the overall outcome of the game. When you write a novel, a film script or any other form dialog for entertainment it's about the whole product, not just the middle, beginning or end. That is a grave misconception, are you going to rate a crib highly because it looks good, despite the fact that several kids have been in accidents due to it's poor construction or materials? If so, then please keep the hell away from writing any reviews. Granted this is slightly different and less life changing, that is unless you're a die hard fan that is emotionally invested due to the hours you have given to the game and the development of the story itself.

I also stated that depending on Bioware's response and the so-called rumor of the 'The Truth' DLC that my review could change and I would happily revise it.

Modifié par Lancane, 16 mars 2012 - 05:45 .

[Metalrocks]

dkear1 wrote...

The ending is quite a vital part of darn near anything and in most cases can ruin an entire experience. Not a tough thing to see IMHO.

my thoughts as well. i just cant bring it over my self to play it a second time. just the thought that everything you have done throughout the whole saga, just gets ignored at the very end, makes me feel really depressed.

[wolfstanus]

dkear1 wrote...

wolfstanus wrote...
I say give it what it deserves.
Does it deserve to have lower ratings than superman 64? (lol dating myself)
No it deserves to be at least 7 or 8
As I always said the "fans" will always ruin a IP. So fare I'm not wrong as I always see a backlash like this coming. Never fails.
Seriously though how shallow are some of you? I hated 1-10% of the game so I will rage and give it a 1 because I'm emotional and I love the IP so abandoned it and moved on derp. Boycot bioware lolol

So someone who doesn't share your particular opinon is "shallow" and "emotional"?  Yep....you just invalidated your opinion.  Good job!

Nope just the people saying boycot or selling other games from bioware they had for years and love. Or harrasing the devs on twitter and other things like that.

[gangly369]

Lancane wrote...

Actually I gave Mass Effect a poor review, and I am not sorry that I did so. People can act pompous all they like and say it's unfair because of their loyalty to Bioware for the many quality gaming moments that surpass the few bad ones. I love most of the products that the company has developed over the past decade myself. However, I am a writer and journalist by profession and do a lot of reviews from movies to books, to games, toys and music. I was fair, even stating that the game was set to be the best in the trilogy, the game play and graphics surpassed both previous titles. And I admitted that it was the horrendously poor written ending that hurt the overall outcome of the game. When you write a novel, a film script or any other form dialog for entertainment it's about the whole product, not just the middle, beginning or end. That is a grave misconception, are you going to rate a crib highly because it looks good, despite the fact that several kids have been in accidents due to it's poor construction or materials? If so, then please keep the hell away from writing any reviews. Granted this is slightly different and less life changing, that is unless you're a die hard fan that is emotionally invested due to the hours you have given to the game and the development of the story itself.

I also stated that depending on Bioware's response and the so-called rumor of the 'The Truth' DLC that my review could change and I would happily revise it.

Well put. I would argue you could probably pick a better example than a crib and babies dying, as I'm pretty sure no one has killed themselves (yet) over this game. Regardless, this is a good post

[Sentr0]

lots of trolls/husks on this thread

[TheKillerAngel]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Idiots probably just review bombed it. "OMG 5 MINUTE ENDING MADE IT DA WURST GAME EVA!!"

The game had favorable reviews (between 4-5 stars) until people started finishing. The 1s started rolling in around 3-4 days post release.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I've been watching Amazon's reviews; the ratings are on a steady decline and have been for the past few days. If you bother reading them, this is all pretty much due to one thing: the ending.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 16 mars 2012 - 06:16 .

[wolfstanus]

magnetite wrote...

The purpose of a review is to take the positive and the negatives and write a summary of that. Writing a completely negative review is not a review.

Exactly. Give it what it deserves not a harpooning because of one thing. 

[KBomb]

magnetite wrote...

The purpose of a review is to take the positive and the negatives and write a summary of that. Writing a completely negative review is not a review.

 
If you're professional, yes. If you're just a fan and give it a low score, it's perfectly acceptable to list only the things you found wrong with it, explaining why you gave it a poor review. It may not be how you would do it, but it's perfectly acceptable. If you give it a high score, it may stand to reason you found very little wrong with it. If you give it a low score, it stands to reason the things you did not list would be the things you found acceptable.

[Ronin1325]

I can't speak for everyone on the boards here who doesn't like the endings & thinks it ruins the franchise, but I can say this- To ME, it's like having a really awesome train ride that ends with the train running off a cliff. The pleasant journey is negated by a horrible end. I would be willing to bet many others feel the same.

[elmephd1]

Ratings as a weapon doesn't work, please look at it from a companies point of view.

The game has had a massive and expensive marketing campaign, massively expensive and extended production and it's a very high profile release.

Getting two stars on Amazon wouldn't make them feel inclined to spend any more time more money on it. If anything they probably find the whole immature fan backlash to be intensley embarrassing and just want to sweep it under the carpet.

So why should they fix the ending? Why should they spend more money on something people either already have or have such hatred directed at it, that it makes the undertaking less then worthwhile.

With those fandumb scores, we'd be lucky to get anything Mass Effect wise in the future, whether that's DLC, tie in merchandise or future games set within the universe.

What'd have worked far better are reviews that say "4/5 nigh perfect except the ending" not "2/5 I'm not buying a Bioware game ever again!". The former makes Mass Effect look safe, the latter makes it look like a disaster that shouldn't have any more money wasted on it.