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[thunderhawk862002]

Unfortunately the biggest issue is Mass Effect 3 can be viewed in 2 different ways. The first is it's own stand alone game. I didn't play it as such. If I would have I would have rate it an 4/4.5. It was a good stand alone game that had some flaws and a weak ending. However that's not the only way of viewing it.

The second way is to look at asthe third installment of a single game. The character you start as has already finished Act 1 and 2 of a singular performance. In that regard for me personally I cannot give it higher than a 1. The advertisements for it being the third game in the trilogy absolutely did not match up with what I got. The three game premise of choice mattering is largely thrown out the window in the third act. For the first time in the series history my Shepard was forced to make a decision last minute that made no sense. It ruined the whole three game set up and I lost all the desire to play. Taken that way how could I personally justify rating it above a 1?

I stated in my review the way I took to viewing the game and if it was your first game then you would largely enjoy it. However if you played it from the beginning of the series like me you would be severely disappointed in the product.

Modifié par thunderhawk862002, 16 mars 2012 - 06:29 .

[Ashilana]

Ailith430 wrote...

I don't see why not. If a consumer is unhappy with a product, they should let the manufacturer know, or else you continue to get bad products. Thats how it should work. This idea that when you are upset with something and complain, that makes you a whiner is bad for businesses, and bad for the products consumers get. So, by all means, complain if you're unhappy with it, it's your right.

Agreed.

Basic capitalism.  If producers make faulty products or attempt to extort from consumers, it is the consumers obligation to take acton in response.  If this does not occur, the whole system breaks.

[elmephd1]

magnetite wrote...

I guess some people shouldn't judge a book by it's cover. That is don't trust the reviews until you've fully played the game for yourself.

Or just go by reviews by professionals who don't behave like immature dorks. I did and I've found the professional reviews to be spot on.

Modifié par elmephd1, 16 mars 2012 - 06:31 .

[Ronin1325]

@ elmephd1, so you are saying that any complaint about the game is "immature fan backlash", or does it refer to only those who aren't being civil & sensible?

[Koobarex]

Ashilana wrote...

Ailith430 wrote...

I don't see why not. If a consumer is unhappy with a product, they should let the manufacturer know, or else you continue to get bad products. Thats how it should work. This idea that when you are upset with something and complain, that makes you a whiner is bad for businesses, and bad for the products consumers get. So, by all means, complain if you're unhappy with it, it's your right.

Agreed.

Basic capitalism.  If producers make faulty products or attempt to extort from consumers, it is the consumers obligation to take acton in response.  If this does not occur, the whole system breaks.

This!!

[Mr. Gogeta34]

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

What Bioware defenders are really saying is: Let Bioware get as much money and praise as humanly possible with what they gave us.

Wrong. Why is it always about money to you people?

You've obviously forgotten that Bioware is a company... as in... a business.  Businesses exist to make money, it drives their decisions more than anything else.  You also have forgotten that I also said "praise."

Money and praise, you want both to be there for Bioware (for what they gave us)... period.


Why else would you tell people to stop review-bombing when that's how they really feel (and may have no effect on Bioware's bottom line anyway)?

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 16 mars 2012 - 06:36 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

A customer eats a delicious sandwhich at a restaurant before a roach crawls out of it near the end of his meal...

That's the best analogy for ME3's ending that I've heard on this thread.

Don't blame the eater for not musing over/focusing on how good the sandwhich was before the roach... and certainly don't expect them to give the restaurant a 5 star rating.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 16 mars 2012 - 06:39 .

[durasteel]

I haven't reviewed the game anywhere yet, because at this point I can't give it a score. The game was over 40 hours of the best gaming experience I've ever had, but the ending is the biggest disappointment I've ever experienced playing a game. How do you score that?

My hope is that a "director's cut" ending will let me give this game the stellar review that it deserves, because right up until the end, damn was it ever a great game.

[wolfstanus]

elmephd1 wrote...

Ratings as a weapon doesn't work, please look at it from a companies point of view.

The game has had a massive and expensive marketing campaign, massively expensive and extended production and it's a very high profile release.

Getting two stars on Amazon wouldn't make them feel inclined to spend any more time more money on it. If anything they probably find the whole immature fan backlash to be intensley embarrassing and just want to sweep it under the carpet.

So why should they fix the ending? Why should they spend more money on something people either already have or have such hatred directed at it, that it makes the undertaking less then worthwhile.

With those fandumb scores, we'd be lucky to get anything Mass Effect wise in the future, whether that's DLC, tie in merchandise or future games set within the universe.

What'd have worked far better are reviews that say "4/5 nigh perfect except the ending" not "2/5 I'm not buying a Bioware game ever again!". The former makes Mass Effect look safe, the latter makes it look like a disaster that shouldn't have any more money wasted on it.

QFT!

[Stouny]

elmephd1 wrote...

Ratings as a weapon doesn't work, please look at it from a companies point of view.

The game has had a massive and expensive marketing campaign, massively expensive and extended production and it's a very high profile release.

Getting two stars on Amazon wouldn't make them feel inclined to spend any more time more money on it. If anything they probably find the whole immature fan backlash to be intensley embarrassing and just want to sweep it under the carpet.

So why should they fix the ending? Why should they spend more money on something people either already have or have such hatred directed at it, that it makes the undertaking less then worthwhile.

With those fandumb scores, we'd be lucky to get anything Mass Effect wise in the future, whether that's DLC, tie in merchandise or future games set within the universe.

What'd have worked far better are reviews that say "4/5 nigh perfect except the ending" not "2/5 I'm not buying a Bioware game ever again!". The former makes Mass Effect look safe, the latter makes it look like a disaster that shouldn't have any more money wasted on it.

Exactly this. The endings may have ruined the trilogy for SOME people, but that doesn´t give the the right to mess with people´s lives and possible future ME games and/or DLC. 

[Sleek]

I havent played the game yet but from what i understand is the reason the ending is so bad is because they are DEFINETLY planing on selling and continueing the game as DLC/more cash ???

[tenojitsu]

elmephd1 wrote...

magnetite wrote...

I guess some people shouldn't judge a book by it's cover. That is don't trust the reviews until you've fully played the game for yourself.

Or just go by reviews by professionals who don't behave like immature dorks. I did and I've found the professional reviews to be spot on.

I laugh at the term "professional reviewers." One they are just people, like you and me. Two, the people have to review so many games I find it hard to believe that they understand and put anywhere close to the amount of hours that fans do. Three, these quick shot reviews miss major flaws in games all the time. You never hear Game Informer talk about the excessive glitches in ea hockey games, because they don't put enough time into to the game to really understand the game. Four, it is in a game magazines reviewers best interest to give overrated reviews/scores to games. If they bash the game, do you honestly think they will get as many inside looks at the next game the studio puts forth? Why do you think so many garbage games get rated 8.5 or higher?

[Maria Caliban]

Stouny wrote...

Exactly this. The endings may have ruined the trilogy for SOME people, but that doesn´t give the the right to mess with people´s lives and possible future ME games and/or DLC. 

When is it appropriate to give a low score then?

[Tirigon]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I wonder what % of those reviews were actually intelligent sounding.

Probably all except the few good ones:devil:

[thunderhawk862002]

Stouny wrote...

elmephd1 wrote...

Ratings as a weapon doesn't work, please look at it from a companies point of view.

The game has had a massive and expensive marketing campaign, massively expensive and extended production and it's a very high profile release.

Getting two stars on Amazon wouldn't make them feel inclined to spend any more time more money on it. If anything they probably find the whole immature fan backlash to be intensley embarrassing and just want to sweep it under the carpet.

So why should they fix the ending? Why should they spend more money on something people either already have or have such hatred directed at it, that it makes the undertaking less then worthwhile.

With those fandumb scores, we'd be lucky to get anything Mass Effect wise in the future, whether that's DLC, tie in merchandise or future games set within the universe.

What'd have worked far better are reviews that say "4/5 nigh perfect except the ending" not "2/5 I'm not buying a Bioware game ever again!". The former makes Mass Effect look safe, the latter makes it look like a disaster that shouldn't have any more money wasted on it.

Exactly this. The endings may have ruined the trilogy for SOME people, but that doesn´t give the the right to mess with people´s lives and possible future ME games and/or DLC. 

If I produce goods and people aren't happy with my product I'm out of a job.  It's that simple.  If people just look at the review score and not the actual reviews, that's on them.  If people got screwed out of money because the advertised product isn't what they received then those 1's are necessary.  If companies can't sort out the real review from the false then they shouldn't even be in business.  It's incredibly sad if they really just look at he aggregate score and don't investigate further.

[Paulinius]

tenojitsu wrote...

elmephd1 wrote...

magnetite wrote...

I guess some people shouldn't judge a book by it's cover. That is don't trust the reviews until you've fully played the game for yourself.

Or just go by reviews by professionals who don't behave like immature dorks. I did and I've found the professional reviews to be spot on.

I laugh at the term "professional reviewers." One they are just people, like you and me. Two, the people have to review so many games I find it hard to believe that they understand and put anywhere close to the amount of hours that fans do. Three, these quick shot reviews miss major flaws in games all the time. You never hear Game Informer talk about the excessive glitches in ea hockey games, because they don't put enough time into to the game to really understand the game. Four, it is in a game magazines reviewers best interest to give overrated reviews/scores to games. If they bash the game, do you honestly think they will get as many inside looks at the next game the studio puts forth? Why do you think so many garbage games get rated 8.5 or higher?

This.

[Cootie]

elmephd1 wrote...

magnetite wrote...

I guess some people shouldn't judge a book by it's cover. That is don't trust the reviews until you've fully played the game for yourself.

Or just go by reviews by professionals who don't behave like immature dorks. I did and I've found the professional reviews to be spot on.

I find it's difficult to find professional reviewers who don't behave like immature dorks regarding this issue. I've seen one or two, and one was very critical, while the other was neutral and understanding of much of the poo-flinging.

The rest sound indoctrinated, calling the people who uncovered the lazy stock photos trolls with no real reason to, and more or less excusing Bioware for being cheap.
You know, the standard knighty crusadery types who defend the big boys who don't really need defending with straw men. That kind of thing.

Modifié par Cootie, 16 mars 2012 - 07:02 .

[Stouny]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Stouny wrote...

Exactly this. The endings may have ruined the trilogy for SOME people, but that doesn´t give the the right to mess with people´s lives and possible future ME games and/or DLC. 

When is it appropriate to give a low score then?

I look at it like this: if you love the game and would give it 10/10 or 9/10, and then the last 10 minutes suck (IN YOUR OPINION), it´s not really fair to drop your final score to say 1 or 0 and start bashing the game everywhere. It´s allright to point the endings out, discuss them, think about them, but it´s not ok to destroy the amazing game because of them. 

I´ve read some reviews on Metacritic. And some of those zeroes there are just because of the endings or the day 1 DLC (which was originally planned as a CE bonus). And that´s not objective and fair to the game. 

I find the endings to be OK, not perfect, not terrible, but simply OK. And I´m just sad that I had to finish the game as quickly as I did (32 hours...). 

Btw. one last thing: Drew Kasphyn (did I spell it correctly??) posted an interesting blog post about the endings and ME writing process. It´s offtopic, but wth: http://drewkarpyshyn...?p=381#more-381

[Plaguemaster]

It is easy to say that "Oh that dumb people at Amazon they just give game a 1 for endings, what a noobs!!!11111oneoneone"
But in fact - most reviews got viable criticizm. With explanation of rating given. So as much as some people here can say that they are "raging non-objective haters" it's safe to say that we have enough "whiteknighting non-objective fanbois\\fangirls" here as well.

Modifié par Plaguemaster, 16 mars 2012 - 07:21 .

[Stouny]

Urdnot Grim wrote...

Actually, now that I've had some time, some of those reviews are excellent. The first one I read in fact.

And what score did ME3 get in that review? I´m just curious.

[thunderhawk862002]

It goes beyond suck when I think they falsely advertised during the promotion the content of the actual product. If Capcom advertises with dozens of fighters and only has 18 available without DLC I'm not going to go, "Well gee golly they gave me 18 fighters that are on disk that's a close enough description for me." I'm going to go look your advertised product says it contains dozens of fighters you only have 18 thus your product receives a failing grade. If I turn in an essay for a scholarship that has to be at least 4 pages long and I give them a really good one that's 3.75 pages long I'm not going to get the scholarship. If the promotion doesn't match the product then it fails.

[SidNitzerglobin]

Plaguemaster wrote...

It is easy to say that "Oh that dumb people at Amazon they just give game a 1 for endings, what a noobs!!!11111oneoneone"
But in fact - most reviews got viable criticizm. With explanation of rating given. So as musch as some people here can say that they are "raging non-objective noobs" it's safe to say that we have enough "whiteknighting non-objective fanboisfangirls" here as well.

I think there's way too much labelling as "raging non-objective noobs" and "whiteknighting non-objective fanboisfangirls" in general.

It's personal opinions of a video game ferchistsakes...  We're all entitled to have them and we all have different criteria for what matters most.  Just because some of opinions don't agree w/ our own doesn't mean the person w/ the opposing point of view should be burnt at the stake.

Modifié par SidNitzerglobin, 16 mars 2012 - 07:28 .

[sTrYkZ1LLa]

There's some funny ones there my fav was this question:

Is this ok for my 11 year old to play?

Posted on Mar 10, 2012 9:17:23 PM PST

J. Cherry says:
If you want them to become emo and chronically depressed. Otherwise stay far away.


Seriously all these complaints better not discourage them from future dlc releases I like the game a lot even if the ending was ****.