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[SidNitzerglobin]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

It goes beyond suck when I think they falsely advertised during the promotion the content of the actual product. If Capcom advertises with dozens of fighters and only has 18 available without DLC I'm not going to go, "Well gee golly they gave me 18 fighters that are on disk that's a close enough description for me." I'm going to go look your advertised product says it contains dozens of fighters you only have 18 thus your product receives a failing grade. If I turn in an essay for a scholarship that has to be at least 4 pages long and I give them a really good one that's 3.75 pages long I'm not going to get the scholarship. If the promotion doesn't match the product then it fails.

Aren't you really just rating the marketing for the game then and not the actual content of the game you did get?

I'm not saying the marketing practice doesn't suck and that you shouldn't state outright that it sucks, but what does reviewing the missing 4 characters really tell you about the other 18 and the gameplay and graphics, etc that were delivered?

Modifié par SidNitzerglobin, 16 mars 2012 - 07:35 .

[Plaguemaster]

It is easier to put a label on someone else's opinion than answer them. One of the best ways to avoid answering unpleasand questions.

[K_Tabris]

Navasha wrote...

Please..... everyone knows that most consumer reviews are worthless reads. Its usually about a dozen POd people who created 30 user names each.

This is a little naive.  Sometimes consumer reviews are very helpful- much more so than eviews by professional sites or companies that are paid to uptalk a product by the manufacturer. ME3 is an exception to the rule, but most Amazon comsumer reviews are pretty dependable.  

[Plaguemaster]

Navasha wrote...
Please..... everyone knows that most consumer reviews are worthless reads. Its usually about a dozen POd people who created 30 user names each.

And how come that customer reviews represent actual reaction ofthe people? Let's see - only lazy are not bashing Dragon Age 2 and look at its ratings - awesome "Professional reviews" and low customer. It's very easy to discard reality, saying that it is a result of the Raid from /b/ and other haters! but the fact is - customer reviews en masse represent actual state of things. No raid can alter this due to sheer numbers of reactions.

[Fezztheeelite2]

Finally! I am glad to hear that people are actually letting their feelings on the game be heard. Maybe if they loose enough money they will learn from there mistake. I for one feel the game was absolutely astounding... and then... BAM! ending troll. :[

I am still hoping for the whole "the rubble around him was stone and the citadel isn't made of stone" theory

[Fezztheeelite2]

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[thunderhawk862002]

SidNitzerglobin wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

It goes beyond suck when I think they falsely advertised during the promotion the content of the actual product. If Capcom advertises with dozens of fighters and only has 18 available without DLC I'm not going to go, "Well gee golly they gave me 18 fighters that are on disk that's a close enough description for me." I'm going to go look your advertised product says it contains dozens of fighters you only have 18 thus your product receives a failing grade. If I turn in an essay for a scholarship that has to be at least 4 pages long and I give them a really good one that's 3.75 pages long I'm not going to get the scholarship. If the promotion doesn't match the product then it fails.

Aren't you really just rating the marketing for the game then and not the actual content of the game you did get?

I'm not saying the marketing practice doesn't suck and that you shouldn't state outright that it sucks, but what does reviewing the missing 4 characters really tell you about the other 18 and the gameplay and graphics, etc that were delivered?

If the advertised product doesn't meet the actual product then yeah of course.  The product I purchased is not the one they advertised.  If they give me the real product then I'd change my review.  That's why there are laws that are supposed to be protecting consumers from this.  What good is it if I help keep the practice going?  The economy is already bad enough without having to start worrying about companies pushing the line on false advertising. If an olympic athelete is caught doping they are kicked out immediately.

[Arkitekt]

These reviewers are just dumb. Were one to list games with better scoring they would be ashamed. "oh but howdid bioware do this to us they deserve it!" Talk to me when you have successfully tanked the game, and thus finally convinced companies not to ever do anything remotely like mass effect ever again, because it is not worth the trouble.

[Ex-Cerberus]

Okay, seriously... I HATED the ending. Absolutely hated it and it nearly was enough to ruin the entire ME universe for me.

But that rating is absolutely ridiculous. The game was superb at virtually everything right until that ending. If it were even remotely possible for me to separate my emotions from my assessment of the game itself, I would give it a perfect score in a heartbeat.

[jimbo32]

wolfstanus wrote...

I say give it what it deserves.

Does it deserve to have lower ratings than superman 64? (lol dating myself)

No it deserves to be at least 7 or 8

As I always said the "fans" will always ruin a IP. So fare I'm not wrong as I always see a backlash like this coming. Never fails.

Seriously though how shallow are some of you? I hated 1-10% of the game so I will rage and give it a 1 because I'm emotional and I love the IP so abandoned it and moved on derp. Boycot bioware lolol

This sort of logic never fails to astound me.

Let me break it down for you. For many players (myself included), the preposterous ending ruined not only ME3, but the entire franchise. Yes, I think it's *that* bad, and I'm far from the only one. But depite that, the BioWare defenders expect people to review the game based on the first 90% rather than looking at the experience as a whole. Makes perfect sense - "regardless of the fact that the last 15 minutes ruined the entire franchise for me, I'll still give the game 8/10 because the first part was pretty good.". o.O

When people post reviews (4chan bombing aside), they should be reviewing the product as a whole. If the entire experience is ruined for them by the ending, then the entire experience was ruined. The first 90% is irrelevant.

[Zcorck]

Didn't ME fans review bomb that female Doctor's book who was on FOX News slandering ME for its sex-scenes in retaliation?
I wonder how many people here was happy about it back then...

[Teh Shaman]

Kids this days.... This is sad and it's going a bit to far even though we all know the ending sucked. The game is still a masterpiece in my book either way.

[Cootie]

Zcorck wrote...

Didn't ME fans review bomb that female Doctor's book who was on FOX News slandering ME for its sex-scenes in retaliation?
I wonder how many people here was happy about it back then...

The thing is that they care. They really want to like the product, but there are issues.
Nevermind the scores. Look beyond the hyperbole and see their underlying message. I'd argue that they are probably the most passionate of fans.

The game isn't perfect. A 10/10 is an unacceptable score and just as unreasonable.
Dismissing all of them as dumb isn't the way to go.

[DragonRageGT]

RobRoss1992 wrote...

Its all because of the endings, which is stupid in my opinion, even though the endings were awful, i still love the game

You're right. It is. This is the most common comment there:

My Real Rating: 4.5/5 until the last hour or so, at which it becomes 2/5.

It is not much fair but the fact is, if the endings are really only what we have now, then replayability is affected for many people and that is a huge downside for a player like me, who loves replay the game and explore different things for a different ending. There is nothing to motivate it if the all endings can be seen just by reloading and playing the final 10 minutes and worse, if all the endings are basically the same, no matter which colour they have.

At least DX:HR had 3 very distinct, beautifully written and appropriate speeches for each possible ending. It is really hard to choose one because the others are wrong. They are all right to some measure. The problem with ME3's endings is that they are all wrong.

That is, if there is nothing new coming in near future because honestly, the more I think about Tiax's Indoctrination Theory, the more I like it and if BW does go along with that (the DLC proving Tiax right), then what we have now would be just so brilliantly devious like no other game has ever done before. And it would stop all complaining about the endings, although I imagine some people will use that to continue bashing BW instead of accepting we have been tricked by a mastermind.

[redplague]

It was probably more to do with that stupid Origin system.

[Jacody]

If you care about the characters, the story, or the universe in any way whatsoever, the ending ruined the entire game and a 2/5 is more than deserved.

If all you care about is combat, then the game probably deserves a 4.5/5.

The ending ruined the entire game, heck, the entire series, by killing nearly every character in the game, crippling the galaxy to the point of near-death, and then destroying the story with hideous plot holes and terrible writing. What's the point if everything good about the series is destroyed?

And yes, they're entitled because THEY BOUGHT THE D*MN GAME!

The game wouldn't have caused that much rage unless SOMETHING IS SERIOUSLY WRONG. Do any of you get that?

Are some of you okay? This is just too insane.

Modifié par Jacody, 16 mars 2012 - 09:46 .

[Zcorck]

Cootie wrote...

Zcorck wrote...

Didn't ME fans review bomb that female Doctor's book who was on FOX News slandering ME for its sex-scenes in retaliation?
I wonder how many people here was happy about it back then...

The thing is that they care. They really want to like the product, but there are issues.
Nevermind the scores. Look beyond the hyperbole and see their underlying message. I'd argue that they are probably the most passionate of fans.

The game isn't perfect. A 10/10 is an unacceptable score and just as unreasonable.
Dismissing all of them as dumb isn't the way to go.

True enough, they've certainly shown that they're willing to stand by ME/BioWare when it does right and the world does wrong. I was just using that argument to counter the people being dismissive of the review bombers and not seeing the underlying message.

[DiegoProgMetal]

DragonRageGT wrote...

RobRoss1992 wrote...

Its all because of the endings, which is stupid in my opinion, even though the endings were awful, i still love the game

You're right. It is. This is the most common comment there:

My Real Rating: 4.5/5 until the last hour or so, at which it becomes 2/5.

It is not much fair but the fact is, if the endings are really only what we have now, then replayability is affected for many people and that is a huge downside for a player like me, who loves replay the game and explore different things for a different ending. There is nothing to motivate it if the all endings can be seen just by reloading and playing the final 10 minutes and worse, if all the endings are basically the same, no matter which colour they have.

At least DX:HR had 3 very distinct, beautifully written and appropriate speeches for each possible ending. It is really hard to choose one because the others are wrong. They are all right to some measure. The problem with ME3's endings is that they are all wrong.

That is, if there is nothing new coming in near future because honestly, the more I think about Tiax's Indoctrination Theory, the more I like it and if BW does go along with that (the DLC proving Tiax right), then what we have now would be just so brilliantly devious like no other game has ever done before. And it would stop all complaining about the endings, although I imagine some people will use that to continue bashing BW instead of accepting we have been tricked by a mastermind.

Rage nailed it.

Exatamente o que eu penso.

[Solmanian]

I usually ignore fan reviews and scores, because it mostly trolls venting.

[Cootie]

Solmanian wrote...

I usually ignore fan reviews and scores, because it mostly trolls venting.

How are they trolls?
How are they not simply concerned fans?

I'm sorry, but calling people who greatly disagree with you trolls simply because of their opinions is a dangerous trend.

[jimbo32]

Jacody wrote...

If you care about the characters, the story, or the universe in any way whatsoever, the ending ruined the entire game and a 2/5 is more than deserved.

If all you care about is combat, then the game probably deserves a 4.5/5.

The ending ruined the entire game, heck, the entire series, by killing nearly every character in the game, crippling the galaxy to the point of near-death, and then destroying the story with hideous plot holes and terrible writing. What's the point if everything good about the series is destroyed?

And yes, they're entitled because THEY BOUGHT THE D*MN GAME!

The game wouldn't have caused that much rage unless SOMETHING IS SERIOUSLY WRONG. Do any of you get that?

Are some of you okay? This is just too insane.

Exactly right. Honestly, I think that the ending supporters and those of us who dislike how it all unfolded really need to agree to disagree at this point. The two sides were obviously far apart in what they were looking for in an ending and what they expect from a game developer.

[res27772]

Ailith430 wrote...

http://www.amazon.co.../ref=pd_cp_vg_1

2 stars with 443 customer reviews...

...

Daaayyuumm...

Hell hath no fury like a gamer scorned.

Wow, I wonder if Bioware will actually learn something here.

[MalevoIence]

They won't learn anything..... like they haven't learned bugs in a game are bad

[Dridengx]

Fezztheeelite2 wrote...

Finally! I am glad to hear that people are actually letting their feelings on the game be heard. Maybe if they loose enough money they will learn from there mistake.

oh you mean the 'mistake' of writing an ending they are happy with? oh, I missed the part where you worked for Bioware and owned rights to the copyright and had producer level status on the project lol. Amazon ratings will do nothing just like the metacritic, and every other sad form of internet whining