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[GodChildInTheMachine]

Xion66 wrote...

I'd never put on a piece of paper

LOT'S OF SPECULATION

and think that was a good ending.

This.

They scribbled out heir ideas for the ending on loose leaf paper. And it shows in the execution. They intentionally used the ending as a device to avoid the resolution of their own plot lines in order to elicit controversy and speculation.

I don't care how much they were emotionally involved in the making of Mass Effect 3.

I just got trolled by a developer for playing their game.

Why should I continue to feel any empathy or trust for them if they've already burned me once? ON PURPOSE.

[gmboy902]

I'm just a little peeved that, if I was knowledgeable enough in programming to add it, I could create an epilogue in about a day that could at least sate the gamers' hunger until a real solution was (or wasn't) reached. It's just pictures. Pictures and words. It could make such a difference.

But I'm willing to give them time. The last thing I want is for them to release a new ending that is just as bad as the current one because they were rushed. But I also want communication. I don't want Valve to release HL3 rushed, but I would like to see some more communication on it from them. Same case here.

[Dark Wyn]

tommythetomcat wrote...

No one wanted speculation, people wanted some sort of closure.

And THAT is what we were promised.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but we were PROMISED a true ending that wrapped everything up with no questions.

I can imagine what the dev's are feeling in regards to this backlash and I'm one of the ones who's desperately wanting to give them the chance to make things right.  I won't lie I'm angry as hell now after "final hours"...but that's besides the point.

What they need to do now is TALK to us.  Not leave an ambiguous tweet or a "we're listening" on facebook.  An actual statement about this issue.  At this point in time I think that's what we all want first. 

[Xaijin]

Caz Neerg wrote...

 I think we all need to get a little perspective here.  Did most of us here absolutely hate these endings, but love the rest of the game?  Clearly.  But imagine how the devs must feel right now.  For the hundreds of hours we have devoted to playing the series, they've devoted thousands to creating it.  Then the magnum opus is released, and critical reaction is universally positive.  Then fans start play, and still the reaction is universally positive.  Then fans start getting to the end, and... *BOOM* the internet explodes.

They have to know exactly how we feel at this point, because just like we enjoyed 95% of the game before being shattered by the ending, they enjoyed 95% of the reaction before being just as shocked and shattered when our response to the endings hit.  And, again, where we have devoted hundreds of hours, they have devoted thousands.  So let's try to be a little understanding and give them time to process.  They have to understand, from how they are feeling, how we do, and if we don't burn all our bridges, that may be exactly the thing that gets them to give us what we want so badly, and allow Mass Effect to recapture the legacy it deserves.

I find it very hard to believe they didn't think the ending was forced and extremely negative, and it is more probable they knew the ending would have this reaction, judging by pregame PR. Otherwise, if they are THAT insulated as a company, then it does bode well for their future. As a design and writing guy myself, if I got this and this alone in an ending permutation doc/proposal, my writer would be fighting for his job in my office, particularly after reading through fan feedback and requests for seven years.

If I had to go to real time-in game assets instead of pre-rendered sequences to save costs, I would do it in order to meet general expectations. You do not **** with your fanbase.

Modifié par Xaijin, 16 mars 2012 - 01:16 .

[dkear1]

No sympathy. Not one ounce. How anyone in their right mind could so thoroughly ruin what was perhaps the greatest series to have ever been made in the last 15 minutes. Sorry, nothing buy disdain coming from me.

[pharsti]

55....56....57....58....59....

There, one minute.... nothing changed T_T

[jess05]

I would provide closure, and answer all question closing plot holes, as previously promised.
I would not promise my costomers something, and deliver the opposite.

[qdust]

The thing is as much as we hate what they did. I think every single person on these forums wants BioWare to succeed, Because if BW is succeeding it means we're getting more amazing games to play. Did they screw up? YUP! Big time. But now is the time for them to show us that they really are the geniuses we thought they were. Now is the time for them to turn this thing around. Now is the time for them to give us the ending that is not just good, but better than we ever dreamed it could be. Now is the time to give us back our Mass Effect!!!!





Oh...and it should be free.

[ericjdev]

They get paid for what they do, they don't deserve sympathy. I agree that no one should be harassed or threatened, that's just bad behavior but they shouldn't get off the hook either. They took something that was important to me and wrecked it and they should own that. They are responsible for the terrible ending and for me and many others it utterly destroyed the trilogy and the ME3 universe by taking all the time and love I put into my character and all the decisions I made and rendering them utterly meaningless with their incredible crappy, derivative, lazy, plot hole ridden, Deus Ex Machina ending. You may think some of it is over the top but I'm not kidding when I say I think it's a travesty and I am outraged and disgusted. So no, I'm not going to thank them,

Modifié par ericjdev, 16 mars 2012 - 01:19 .

[j78]

They have their millions to comfort them. We have a lousy ending to a franchise we invested hundreds of hours in to . We could be a lot worse .

Modifié par j78, 16 mars 2012 - 01:17 .

[VyseN1]

I have to seriously wonder what the heck they were thinking. The ending goes against everything they hyped about the series. In the end, your decisions mean nothing.

If this were another game that was great until the ending, it would be one thing. I liked the ending in Uncharted 2, but if I didn't it wouldn't upset me. In that game you were following a linear story. Mass Effect was supposed to be different with you shaping the story. Guess not.

[rockman0]

I make it a point not to put on other people's shoes. You don't know what in there!

[detroitmechworks]

Let's see... what could be my thoughts...

1.Corporate rushed my product and forbade me from saying anything. (In this case, I would be looking for another job.)

2. They are telling me that my product is great except for the last five minutes... which is a fixable error, but will take time. (Immediately acknowledge problem, then immediately schedule meetings to discuss how to fix error. Make a quick patch to end game right before ending with "TO BE CONTINUED" and start a countdown clock to the release of the "Free DLC" ending and the multiple other endings which are paid DLC...)

3. Know that I'm a genius and these fans are just entitled fools who need to pay more money. (Issue PR statements, ignore main complains, and stay the course on planned DLC.)

So... which of the scenarios sounds like what they're doing?

Modifié par detroitmechworks, 16 mars 2012 - 01:18 .

[GothamLord]

Koobarex wrote...

I don't put myself in the shoes of the makers of a faulty car that caught fire with me inside, just as I didn't put myself in the shoes of Microsoft designers when my X360 displayed the red ring of death. In the same way I don't pat directors on the back if they make an extremely flawed ending to a great movie. I am not an empath, or anyone that has such responsibilities. In this case I am a customer, a fan and a community member of a great trilogy that went horrible wrong in the last few minutes, and went wrong to such an extent that I do not believe that no one in QA or survey groups didn't notice it. We're talking about plot holes shattering both the player experience and the universe of the game, both crafted so masterfully during 95% of the game that the broken endings stinged so much harder.

You write about "burning bridges"? The BioWare employees aren't your friends or family members (I would like to acknowledge that one of the community managers actually went at length to remind that by reminding us that these games aren't designed for us personally, but for a "wide focus group"), they are artists, and programmers, and designers, and quality specialists paid for what they do from the money they gain from your support. Demanding a remake for something terminally flawed in a product I bought, cherished for the most part and did my best to advertise around and support should not be called "bridgeburning". Unless you refer to people calling the designers names, but that's not "bridgeburning", that's called being a pr*ick.

We have invested ourselves into a product that has changed its entire meaning at the very end and we are dissatisfied. Venting this directly to the team responsible for this, informing about it publicly and warning that we may take our love, money and time (FIVE years) elsewhere is the most responsible thing we can do in a free market world. Especially if the flaw is as earth-shattering and crucial to the whole product as this one.

[Britcorp]

Caz Neerg wrote...

 I think we all need to get a little perspective here.  Did most of us here absolutely hate these endings, but love the rest of the game?  Clearly.  But imagine how the devs must feel right now.  For the hundreds of hours we have devoted to playing the series, they've devoted thousands to creating it.  Then the magnum opus is released, and critical reaction is universally positive.  Then fans start play, and still the reaction is universally positive.  Then fans start getting to the end, and... *BOOM* the internet explodes.

They have to know exactly how we feel at this point, because just like we enjoyed 95% of the game before being shattered by the ending, they enjoyed 95% of the reaction before being just as shocked and shattered when our response to the endings hit.  And, again, where we have devoted hundreds of hours, they have devoted thousands.  So let's try to be a little understanding and give them time to process.  They have to understand, from how they are feeling, how we do, and if we don't burn all our bridges, that may be exactly the thing that gets them to give us what we want so badly, and allow Mass Effect to recapture the legacy it deserves.

How anybody could think that lying to us and leaving us with a cliffhanger was a good idea is beyond me. Pulling a bait and swtich in order to sell me the real ending at a later date through DLC is not good brand management or a bright business decision imo.

[ticklefist]

I'd rather put the developers in Michael Jordan's shoes. That mother ****er knew how to finish a game.

Modifié par ticklefist, 16 mars 2012 - 01:21 .

[Walrusninja]

If I put myself in their shoes right now, I honestly think I'd find my head lodged 30cm deep in a sandpit.

[HKR148]

I'm a perfectionist, although the reality is harsh, anything below what I can consider 'acceptable' will eat me alive psychologically unless I correct the problem in anyway I can; which is the reason why I am in a research setting, not a corporate setting. I don't like someone giving me a standard of what should be done and tell me I can't go over or below the standard; what's the problem of just blowing through that standard and make something much much better than what others can imagine? I just don't get it.

If this is the product I release and so many people hates it. That will eat me alive. Then again tons of plot-holes would eat me alive as well.

Modifié par HKR148, 16 mars 2012 - 01:24 .

[WarBaby2]

trekkie1701c wrote...

Exactly. I'll withhold buying anything if they don't fix it, but I'm willing to give them time to figure out a way to fix their mistake. They're human, it happens.

I think most of us get that... but if nothing happens within the next weeks, then they will loose customers... simple as that.

[Reign762]

ticklefist wrote...

I'd rather put the developers in Michael Jordan's shoes. That mother ****er knew how to finish a game.

[Fat Headed Wolf]

I'm sure most of us aren't advocating any kind of rash action.

*Stops enriching uranium*

Huh?

[VyseN1]

WarBaby2 wrote...

trekkie1701c wrote...

Exactly. I'll withhold buying anything if they don't fix it, but I'm willing to give them time to figure out a way to fix their mistake. They're human, it happens.

I think most of us get that... but if nothing happens within the next weeks, then they will loose customers... simple as that.

True. After Dragon Age II, and now the Mass Effect 3 ending, I am seriously considering not giving Bioware my dollars in the future. I'm on the edge with this. If they fix it (doubtful) I will reconsider.

[ztonkin]

I can wholeheartedly say that the entirety of the game leading up to the end was brilliant. Quite a ride and it blew 2 out of the water (1's always gonna be my favorite though, no doubt about that).

But the ending....I don't understand how they could have dropped the ball like that having built a fantastic lead up to that moment. They did indeed promise closure and an ending that took into account "thousands of permutations." But we got 3 different colors.

I'm giving them a chance to fix it, and that's all they deserve at this point. I WANT A REAL ENDING. Now, if they don't deliver and just downplay this mess, well then....they prove they're a bunch of....I'll just let the sentence rest.

In response to the OP, I don't feel bad for them. This is the mess they created, even if they honestly weren't expecting it, though IDK how they couldn't.

[trekkie1701c]

detroitmechworks wrote...

Let's see... what could be my thoughts...

1.Corporate rushed my product and forbade me from saying anything. (In this case, I would be looking for another job.)

2. They are telling me that my product is great except for the last five minutes... which is a fixable error, but will take time. (Immediately acknowledge problem, then immediately schedule meetings to discuss how to fix error. Make a quick patch to end game right before ending with "TO BE CONTINUED" and start a countdown clock to the release of the "Free DLC" ending and the multiple other endings which are paid DLC...)

3. Know that I'm a genius and these fans are just entitled fools who need to pay more money. (Issue PR statements, ignore main complains, and stay the course on planned DLC.)

So... which of the scenarios sounds like what they're doing?

It's entirely possible that it's a mishmash of #'s 1 and 2.  They may not be allowed to say anything until a plan is in place.  As well it's easy to just say "Well, I'll get another job," but it is much, much harder to do.  Sometimes when you work for a company you have to do stuff you don't agree with in order to keep drawing a paycheck.  It sucks, but unless something drastic changes in society, that's the way the world works.  I'm thinking they realize that they may have messed up badly, but they might not be able to admit it due to corporate rules, and they may not be able to really reveal any plans until they actually get the go ahead.