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[Darthlawsuit]

kramerfan86 wrote...

The future of entertainment is going to be rather bleak indeed if this idea of "dont actually finish your stories just be vague and let the audience think about it" really catches on.

I don't mind some vagueness.... But this is just terrible. I doubt we will know what happens to the galaxy but I want to finish the story that was begun with ME1 and see the reapers stopped.

[KorPhaeron]

Dridengx wrote...

Esquin wrote...

You're a fool and if you really are a game designer.

So, if he wasn't a game designer he wouldn't be a fool? have something against game designers do we?

Nope, hes an idiot either way,

[savionen]

85-95% of people on polls hated the ending.

Mass Effect isn't some indie theater post-modern performance. Having that many people dislike it means there's something really wrong.

[Spitfiremk87]

What do you think a publisher thinks about when they agree to publish a game? What does the PLAYER want. We are voicing are opinion about what we feel was a subpar ending to a product that we bought.

If nothing else comes from this, it will show future publishers and game makers that they need to make what the fans want or they won't buy it.

[Dridengx]

Sywen wrote...

kramerfan86 wrote...

The future of entertainment is going to be rather bleak indeed if this idea of "dont actually finish your stories just be vague and let the audience think about it" really catches on.

I'm glad I'm thining about finding a new hobby.  Real life is bleak enough.

let us know how that thining about finding goes lol Real Life is bleak? noooo.. you don't say.  I never would have imagined real life was bad for you guys.. I mean acting psychotic on video game forums demanding a new ending for your virtual reality character is just oozing with "I have an important social life"

[leianajade]

But what's the harm in expanding the endings via DLC? Those who don't want it, don't have to download it or buy it. They can keep the experience they love, and we can have the one that makes us happy.

Why does everyone seem to think it's got to be one way or the other?

[2484Stryker]

I can tell you why I thought the ending was really poorly done.

It felt to me that all of the choices and actions that I did throughout the series amounted to nothing more than an EMS number. I would have loved to have been shown some of my assets in action (e.g. Terminus fleet, Krogans charging the Reapers along with Turians, Rachnii ships engaging the Reapers). But this isn't the worst of it.

Most important part. The three ending choices were forced upon me, and it is completely out of character for my Shepard to simply "take it". Why was there no challenge from him? And look at the best ending that you get for "destroy" - why didn't Shepard bring up the Geth/Quarians situation to challenge The Catalyst?

Modifié par 2484Stryker, 16 mars 2012 - 02:14 .

[kramerfan86]

I hope books stop giving endings, final chapters should simply consist of the sentence "now what do YOU think should happen?" Would be awesome.

[Dridengx]

savionen wrote...

85-95% of people on polls hated the ending.

.

Which has been proven to be rigged, people are multiple voting. PLUS the poll is a small demographic of the overall fanbase or those who bought the game. Hell. I could give a poll to ten people and all of them say they beat ME3 and loved it. then I can run around these forums saying 100% of Mass Effect 3 fans loved the ending. See how stupid you sound now?

[RLesueur]

The ending is terrible from a literary standpoint as it doesn't derive from the story. At no point until the last ten minutes of the game was there any concept of an over-riding Reaper AI/God Child.

Virtually every element introduced in the last ten minutes of the game is completely out of the blue and unexplained. This is poor story telling, pure and simple.

[Dragoonlordz]

KorPhaeron wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Esquin wrote...

You're a fool and if you really are a game designer.

So, if he wasn't a game designer he wouldn't be a fool? have something against game designers do we?

Nope, hes an idiot either way,

While your being childish in how you respond to him. 

[CronoDragoon]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

I have read them, and I don't agree with most of them. Some of them are valid, and yes some things are vague to say the least. But there is a stroke of brilliance to it that most commenters fail to see. It mannages to pull of an ending that is confusing yet, when you look carefully, is extremely well planned and thought out. Every little thing that seems missing is done on purpose and adds a layer to it for the player to think about. I think the ending should not be dismissed as "wrong" becouse it just isn't. Nobodies opinion but the writers their opinion will change that.

It could have ended like Star Wars or LotR, but instead the writers chose to do it different. And yeah to the naked eye it looks like Deus-Ex, but with the Mass Effect universe as a context it has an entirely different meaning. Still, if it would have ended different there would have been thousands of other things it would probably look like. No story is truly orriginal, every structure comes from a field of refference from past work that is mixed up with ellements from other stories. You can't come up with things you haven't taken inspiration from in some form or way. 

The ending notes thread shows it was not well planned out. Neither was it well executed. How did Tali get fried by Harbinger's laser than get beamed into an already-fleeing-the-battlefield Normandy alive, well, and presumably smiling like everyone else? Why is ANYONE smiling in that ending when they have no idea if the Reapers are defeated or not, if Shepard is alive or dead, why the Relays exploded, where the hell they are, how the Normandy looks utterly destroyed, etc etc etc. Oh, but look EDI, see the trees? It's wonderful. Bleh...

[KorPhaeron]

Dridengx wrote...

Sywen wrote...

kramerfan86 wrote...

The future of entertainment is going to be rather bleak indeed if this idea of "dont actually finish your stories just be vague and let the audience think about it" really catches on.

I'm glad I'm thining about finding a new hobby.  Real life is bleak enough.

let us know how that thining about finding goes lol Real Life is bleak? noooo.. you don't say.  I never would have imagined real life was bad for you guys.. I mean acting psychotic on video game forums demanding a new ending for your virtual reality character is just oozing with "I have an important social life"

Acting psychotic:?

How, where, when, with whom??

Hmm i cant talk to people like you, it never and well

[kramerfan86]

Dridengx wrote...

savionen wrote...

85-95% of people on polls hated the ending.

.

Which has been proven to be rigged, people are multiple voting. PLUS the poll is a small demographic of the overall fanbase or those who bought the game. Hell. I could give a poll to ten people and all of them say they beat ME3 and loved it. then I can run around these forums saying 100% of Mass Effect 3 fans loved the ending. See how stupid you sound now?

Yea he is the stupid sounding one when you are comparing a sample size of 30 thousand to 10.  Yes obviously the real ratio isnt 97:3, but its certainly a large enough sample size that it is at least reasonable to think the ending has majority disapproval.

Modifié par kramerfan86, 16 mars 2012 - 02:17 .

[KorPhaeron]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

KorPhaeron wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Esquin wrote...

You're a fool and if you really are a game designer.

So, if he wasn't a game designer he wouldn't be a fool? have something against game designers do we?

Nope, hes an idiot either way,

While your being childish in how you respond to him. 

Explain

[Ashilana]

Esquin wrote...

You're a fool and if you really are a game designer I hope your consumers don't have to suffer through things as pointless as the mass effect 3 ending.

The Mass Effect 3 ending disregards your choices, ignores major themes, and creates new questions in the place of answers. There are numerous topics pointing out why your entire opinion is wrong. And yes an opinion can be wrong. If you can't see why you're wrong then I feel sorry for you.

I was going to post a long response... but this sums it up pretty nicely.

[mauro2222]

Quick answer.

Sense > Logic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ending.

Modifié par mauro2222, 16 mars 2012 - 02:20 .

[Ryokun1989]

KorPhaeron wrote...

cachx wrote...

 I agree with the OP. Storytelling should not be crowdsourced or dictated by votes.

No,

Storytelling should have logic, common sense, and closure.

No, all a story needs is comprehension on some level, nothing more. A lot of historically brilliant stories lack logic, defy common sense and have no sense of closure. Look at through the looking glass for example and even the bible. It doesn't make them bad stories, it made them brilliant. 

[VegaMendoza]

Dridengx wrote...

savionen wrote...

85-95% of people on polls hated the ending.

.

Which has been proven to be rigged, people are multiple voting. PLUS the poll is a small demographic of the overall fanbase or those who bought the game. Hell. I could give a poll to ten people and all of them say they beat ME3 and loved it. then I can run around these forums saying 100% of Mass Effect 3 fans loved the ending. See how stupid you sound now?

Firstly, this isn't something I say because I distrust you - but it is in poor taste to say "it has been proven to be rigged" and the fail to show any proof. 

Secondly, a poll out of 10 people versus a poll where 50.000 have voted, seems hard to compare. 

Thirdly, the Facebook group has 30.000 unique "likes" - which again seems to be a clear indication on the number of people who dislike it.

Fourthly, no one wants to hate the ending. There's no choice in disliking the ending. If we were "fanboys" or something like that we'd make excuses in order to justify our love for the franchise - at least how I figure it. Not be annoyed by it, but that's what has happened. 

[Sam Anders]

Dridengx wrote...

savionen wrote...

85-95% of people on polls hated the ending.

.

Which has been proven to be rigged, people are multiple voting. PLUS the poll is a small demographic of the overall fanbase or those who bought the game. Hell. I could give a poll to ten people and all of them say they beat ME3 and loved it. then I can run around these forums saying 100% of Mass Effect 3 fans loved the ending. See how stupid you sound now?

Prove that people are multiple voting.

And somebody already explained the sample size fallacy.

[AlexXIV]

Esquin wrote...

You're a fool and if you really are a game designer I hope your consumers don't have to suffer through things as pointless as the mass effect 3 ending.

Dude he is the one who designed it.

[Kloborgg711]

Dridengx wrote...

Sywen wrote...

kramerfan86 wrote...

The future of entertainment is going to be rather bleak indeed if this idea of "dont actually finish your stories just be vague and let the audience think about it" really catches on.

I'm glad I'm thining about finding a new hobby.  Real life is bleak enough.

let us know how that thining about finding goes lol Real Life is bleak? noooo.. you don't say.  I never would have imagined real life was bad for you guys.. I mean acting psychotic on video game forums demanding a new ending for your virtual reality character is just oozing with "I have an important social life"

My life is so good I troll forum boards to tell people they take video games too seriously.

[mauro2222]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

KorPhaeron wrote...

cachx wrote...

 I agree with the OP. Storytelling should not be crowdsourced or dictated by votes.

No,

Storytelling should have logic, common sense, and closure.

No, all a story needs is comprehension on some level, nothing more. A lot of historically brilliant stories lack logic, defy common sense and have no sense of closure. Look at through the looking glass for example and even the bible. It doesn't make them bad stories, it made them brilliant. 

Brilliant for people of the first and XIX century.

Irrelevant now, specially the bible.

[Dragoonlordz]

KorPhaeron wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

KorPhaeron wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Esquin wrote...

You're a fool and if you really are a game designer.

So, if he wasn't a game designer he wouldn't be a fool? have something against game designers do we?

Nope, hes an idiot either way,

While your being childish in how you respond to him. 

Explain

Calling him an idiot because you do not agree with him is childish, simple as that. It is immature.

[Legendaryred]

Sorry you wasted your time writing that big wall of text.