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[Jonathan Shepard]

I paid for a complete game.
I was not given a reasonably complete game.
Therefore, I'd like to get my money back, but because of stupid online pass codes, that's not possible as a PC player, or get a reasonable ending- the ending I ALREADY paid for.

If BioWare didn't include the "true" ending, then they're in for a sh*tstorm like never before. Especially if they charge for it. It'd be a PR nightmare, and I'd never buy anything from BioWare again.

In addition, this: 

I RJay I wrote...

If the ending is infact the indoctrination theory, then we were lied to about the product we bought, we were told it would end the Reaper, Shepard story arch... The indoctrination theory leaves Shepard not dead, and the Reapers not defeated, that means the story arch has not finished. So if the DLC is not free then they would be expecting us to pay EXTRA for something we were promised in the original game.

 

Modifié par Jonathan Shepard, 16 mars 2012 - 02:17 .

[AllergevKev]

I RJay I wrote...

If the ending is infact the indoctrination theory, then we were lied to about the product we bought, we were told it would end the Reaper, Shepard story arch... The indoctrination theory leaves Shepard not dead, and the Reapers not defeated, that means the story arch has not finished. So if the DLC is not free then they would be expecting us to pay EXTRA for something we were promised in the original game.
I would be willing to pay for it, but I wouldn't be willing to buy any more of their products, because I can't be sure that the product I'm promised is infact what I would get.  But if it's free, then I would be more inclined to think it was their intention all along and my trust would be restored.

If Bioware intentionally withheld the true ending from us so we have to pay for it, then that would be completely different. 
If they are correcting an honest mistake, then I'm fine with that. 

It's too bad you wouldn't be able to discern one from the other, but still...

[Arios1570]

I have some money, I understand that this shinanigans is what they thought was the ending they promised, if it turns out all the content is actually on the disk, I won't buy the DLC. However, small chance of that. I accept that they were just completely off base in thinking we want the universe we loved to die in a series of super novas. I am willing to pay for them to correct this mistake. I'm sure they spared no expense in the making of the game, it showed, therefore, I will pay for the better ending as I payed for Broken Steel.

[UnbornLeviathan]

I'd pay for it, but after that I don't think I'm going to give another cent to Bioware.

[Xenolithium]

Jonathan Shepard wrote...

I paid for a complete game.
I was not given a reasonably complete game.
Therefore, I'd like to get my money back, but because of stupid online pass codes, that's not possible as a PC player, or get a reasonable ending- the ending I ALREADY paid for.

If BioWare didn't include the "true" ending, then they're in for a sh*tstorm like never before. Especially if they charge for it. It'd be a PR nightmare, and I'd never buy anything from BioWare again.

You got the ending you paid for.

I paid for a package of socks, but they got wet when I wore them in the rain. I want a refund. I paid for dry socks.


Yeah, that's what you sound like. Please, continue.

[Warhawk7137]

We want a new ending.

Not because we think we "deserve" it, but because we care so much about the story that we believe that a new ending is something worth working hard to get.

It's not entitlement, it's desire. We want this game to be great. We want this story to be great, because we love this story. But with the current ending, it simply isn't.

Modifié par Warhawk7137, 16 mars 2012 - 02:22 .

[Demon9ne]

It's shocking that so many people are willing to pay for DLC to complete the game.

The current ending really isn't an ending to this trilogy. It's like the ending to a different game was dropped in. This game isn't complete as a result, and we payed for a complete game.

This is obviously very debatable, but honestly how bad would the ending have to be for people to demand the game be properly and respectably finished? How bad? If the reapers were controlled by a unicorn, gasp, and suddenly roll credits, would we not deserve better? Would it have to be that bad? Worse?

Maybe everyone draws the line differently.

[AdmiralCheez]

I would like ending to be fixed. I would be willing to pay for it in proportion to the effort put into making it, but I'd like it to be free.

Releasing an extended/alternate ending would be a smart move by Bioware at this point. Whether it is free or should depend on how much it cost to make and whether EA is concerned with making money now, or solidifying the consumer base for later.

Free alt ending = sound investment strategy (will increase ME3 sales and encourage more later)
Paid alt ending = quick and easy buck, but might shrink consumer pool again (angry fans)
Do nothing = GG, Bioware. It was fun while it lasted.

[AllergevKev]

Xenolithium wrote...

Jonathan Shepard wrote...

I paid for a complete game.
I was not given a reasonably complete game.
Therefore, I'd like to get my money back, but because of stupid online pass codes, that's not possible as a PC player, or get a reasonable ending- the ending I ALREADY paid for.

If BioWare didn't include the "true" ending, then they're in for a sh*tstorm like never before. Especially if they charge for it. It'd be a PR nightmare, and I'd never buy anything from BioWare again.

You got the ending you paid for.

I paid for a package of socks, but they got wet when I wore them in the rain. I want a refund. I paid for dry socks.


Yeah, that's what you sound like. Please, continue.

BAHAHAHAHA
I find it funny he said he was not given a reasonably complete game.

It's like saying :"You see, although 99.5% of this game was flawless the .5% that sucked is completely unreasonable  and I deserve compensation from you for it, it was just that bad."

[Madcat 124]

 I'll gladly pay for a real ending.

[locsphere]

Dude, what is it with you people, we are the consumer, we have rights and this sucked. We don't deserve anything. Great you have an opinion, now take your lay down and take it up the rear attitude and be a doormat somewhere else.

[ArcanistLibram]

Bottom line, I no longer trust Bioware to write a good story. If Bioware wants my money, they have to earn my trust again. Releasing a new ending as free DLC is the fastest and easiest way to do that. If they want to release a new ending and make people pay for it, it won't bother me much, but a lot of people will accuse them of releasing the game with a terrible ending so they could force people to buy a better ending later. Releasing it free avoids the bad publicity. It'll cost them more money, but that's just what happens when you make a mistake.

[Umbrellamage]

Xenolithium wrote...

Jonathan Shepard wrote...

I paid for a complete game.
I was not given a reasonably complete game.
Therefore, I'd like to get my money back, but because of stupid online pass codes, that's not possible as a PC player, or get a reasonable ending- the ending I ALREADY paid for.

If BioWare didn't include the "true" ending, then they're in for a sh*tstorm like never before. Especially if they charge for it. It'd be a PR nightmare, and I'd never buy anything from BioWare again.

You got the ending you paid for.

I paid for a package of socks, but they got wet when I wore them in the rain. I want a refund. I paid for dry socks.


Yeah, that's what you sound like. Please, continue.

Actually based on all information leading up to the release of the game, the ending we got was a complete 180 of how they said the end was going to be.

It's more akin to paying for a package of socks based on the packaging implying its going to be socks, and getting poorly sewn underpants instead.  

[panamakira]

There are a lot of people who want/demand a better ending DLC for free? Me I don't care if I have to PAY for one as long as I get it. I don't think we deserve anything for free. That's not how things work. If they would have just given us a better ending in the game we wouldn't be having this discussion. But since they didn't I'm willing to pay for one.

[AdmiralCheez]

AllergevKev wrote...

BAHAHAHAHA
I find it funny he said he was not given a reasonably complete game.

It's like saying :"You see, although 99.5% of this game was flawless the .5% that sucked is completely unreasonable  and I deserve compensation from you for it, it was just that bad."

Product not do what product advertised.

Product baaaad.  Salesman baaaad.  Fix goooood.

On a more serious note, did you beat the game yet?

[GreenDragon37]

So... we don't deserve what we were promised months in advance? What was promised to us for 4 years? No. BioWare lied about the endings and we deserve something for free, or at least for a very, very low price. But I'm talking about EAWare hear, so who am I kidding? i'm going to have to pay and pay in full for the endings that should have been in the game from the beginning.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 16 mars 2012 - 02:32 .

[bucyrus5000]

I think you guys missed my point. Regardless of whether or not we are willing to pay for it or are entitled to it, a new ending would be free, or else it is fraud.

People who buy the game after an Ending DLC will expect a complete game for their purchase. To find out they have to buy the ending will cause a bigger outrage than this current debacle.

[TheDove]

AllergevKev wrote...

Crappy games get released all the time. People buy them. The publishers make a lot of money. This happens A LOT. Nobody petitions the developers of said games to completely remake the game because it's not worth $50-$60. Now here's Mass Effect 3, a FANTASTIC game that messes up in only one area (albeit in a major way) and somehow we deserve a new ending FOR FREE?

Because you all know that if they charge for some sort of alternate ending it's gonna be paraded as "Publisher Greed" and the whole sha-bang. Everyone's gonna get in a fuss about it, in the mindset that they got some sort of incomplete game and they they deserve it.

Deserve it? We don't DESERVE anything. We payed $60-$90 (with Javik DLC) and got our money's worth out of those purchases. Those experiences were almost uniformly awesome. People saying that 5 minutes at the end of the game somehow invalidates the remainder of the great time they had with the game is ridiculous. And even if it did, the developer still wouldn't owe you anything. In that case, it would just be you making a bad purchase, you can't vilify a company for making money.

The entire  WE ARE ENTITLED TO A NEW ENDING FOR FREE argument comes from the fact that the rest of the game(s) is/are amazing and we want a proper conclusion for such an epic series. That's understandable. But considering the amazing games Bioware has made throughout the years, including the great series at hand, shouldn't this be the type of developer we be rewarding, not one we decry for their small mistakes? I personally have no gripes giving Bioware the chance to redeem the ending...and will gladly fork over another $10 for it in thanks for the great experiences they have given me throughout the years (Maybe not gladly, cash is tight these days, but you understand what I mean!)

Note: I understand many people share my POV on this issue, but I think it's necessary for others to see it as well. I am looking forward for any rebuttals as well. Gotta love a good debate:lol:

Speak for yourself. I deserve a correction for free, like any faulty product that goes against its promises. I won't buy DLC that charges me. Will watch on youtube though ;]

[Faunwea]

I don't think a whole company of workers should suffer for the work of a few people so I agree with you; we shouldn't feel like we deserve a free DLC.

[pomrink]

I think the free ending thing is silly. I'll buy it.

[Warhawk7137]

ArcanistLibram wrote...

 It'll cost them more money, but that's just what happens when you make a mistake.

For some reason that reminds me of what happened with the Ford Pinto, where a memo surfaced showing that Ford had made the cost-benefit determination that they would lose less money from lawsuits resulting from people dying due to the design flaws than they would from actually fixing the problem; ergo, they decided to leave the design flaws and just pay money whenever someone died.

[Dragoncurry]

This argument is stupid. We don't petition other companies because they are garbage. Bioware isn't garbage so we expect more things from Bioware. If you don't want to be a garbage ass company you will do more than the competition to please your consumers. Good companies like Bioware and Blizzard supposedly listen to their customers and that's one of the main reasons their games are above the rest in the current market. Your argument doesn't make any damn sense.

[Warhawk7137]

Faunwea wrote...

I don't think a whole company of workers should suffer for the work of a few people so I agree with you; we shouldn't feel like we deserve a free DLC.

Well, FWIW, that happens all the time.  Regular folks constantly are getting screwed because of the mistakes of management.

[bleetman]

I was going to say something, but I'll just snip a quote instead:

I would be willing to pay for it in proportion to the effort put into making it

Effectively that, mostly in the hopes of making it more likely and appearing more reasonable in the meantime. Probably a futile hope in both regards, mind.

Faunwea wrote...

I don't think a whole company of workers should suffer for the work of a few people so I agree with you; we shouldn't feel like we deserve a free DLC.

Yeah, there's that too. Writers didn't/couldn't create the entire thing themselves.

Modifié par bleetman, 16 mars 2012 - 02:35 .

[LeTtotheC]

You're right, we don't deserve it, but the ME story does.