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[SandTrout]

IrishRents wrote...

bucyrus5000 wrote...

wow, none of you read either of my posts. I think you guys missed my point. Regardless of whether or not we are willing to pay for it or are entitled to it, a new ending would be free, or else it is fraud.

People who buy the game after an Ending DLC will expect a complete game for their purchase. To find out they have to buy the ending will cause a bigger outrage than this current debacle.

It wouldn't be fraud. This is why people call the line holders melodramatic.

Actually, no, we're not.

[Aesieru]

Oh it better be free, heh....

[AllergevKev]

SandTrout wrote...

IrishRents wrote...

If it was listed as coming with potatoes, then you would have a legitimate issue. However, if it was listed as coming with potatoes but you didn't like them, it is up to the company to decide to appease you or not; then to decide to do it for free or not.

Mass Effect was listed as coming with multiple endings that took your decisions into account, and would not resemble a "Lost" ending where the audience is left with more questions than answers.

We ordered potatoes, and got broccoli. Even if you like broccoli, you can't really claim that we got what was promised.

No, it's more like you ordered potatoes, got potatoes, but there was slightly less salt then you asked for. Unless you consider the ending separate from the entire game that is, which I hihgly doubt.

[Dreogan]

After the new information accidentally released today, we know now Bioware didn't have additional ending content in the pipeline. As a result, it isn't too too bad for us to expect to pay for a facelift of the ending, since I strongly favor people being able to eat.

Depending on how hard they're willing to go to fix things, along with the quality of the fix, I may or may not purchase another Bioware game again. I have absolutely no reason to trust their marketing for a very long time, so preorders are completely out of the picture.

[Handren]

I would pay FULL PRICE of my ME2+ ME3 Collectors editions for a new ending. I don't care if I`m a tool. I just want the variety of endings we were originally promised.

[MA5Bergey]

I don't really care what we "deserve" or not.

If we don't get a free ending DLC, I'm never buying another Bioware product again. And this is after buying their games for upwards of 10 years.

[webrakefornobody]

i don't even bother reading a customer's post in defense of a company, they can defend themselves very well - we certainly didn't deserve what we got. Mass Effect didn't deserve what it got.

Modifié par webrakefornobody, 16 mars 2012 - 03:02 .

[AllergevKev]

avmf8 wrote...

Here is the thing OP. No I am not going to flame you to ash just putting my spin on this.

I think there already is a better ending. That ending I don't think is the end but rather a ploy. A ploy EA games is pulling to start charging the customer for the end of games.

But they can't upright and do it that would cause massive backlash. Here they made a bad dreme like ending to make people think the game ended badly.

Then they wait for the backlash they were expecting they wanted this. So when people pettition for a ending they wait a while. Then when they are good and ready they release the actual end as paid for DLC then Bioware ends up as the hero.

If allot of people buy the ending DLC EA games will consider that a success and then that will become the norm. Just as it has been with DLC it started small and now they just keep pushing forward more and more.

We are not getting a new ending we are simply getting the ending the cut out so they could sell it. Before anyone says I am wrong all my other predictions about DLC have been right. From the very first DLC I said if people go for this DLC will become common place. Well look at that I was correct. Then they started upping the price of map packs I said there don't buy it DLC will cost more. I was correct there see a pattern how I have been right. Many have known this and I am sure people figured it out long before I did. Many have actually been saying this for years that the DLC problem is just going to get worse.

Well there it is the next step of DLC getting worse.

I'm sure you have a lot of evidence to back that up.

Modifié par AllergevKev, 16 mars 2012 - 03:02 .

[SandTrout]

IrishRents wrote...

Except we do have multiple endings, and as much as I dislike them, I'm not certain there are not 16 outcomes. When your crew debarks the Normandy, switch out the characters. More than sixteen. Picking apart their marketing isn't a viable tactic with regards to an ending change campaign.

You don't feel lied to after that? I don't know what else to say. You're using hair-splitting technicalities to prevent yourself from recieving what we all had a reasonable right to expect from the ending.

[TcomJ]

Most of us already play $60 more, making DLC way too expensive and you will see barely anyone will buy it. They will wait to see it on youtube.

[SandTrout]

AllergevKev wrote...

No, it's more like you ordered potatoes, got potatoes, but there was slightly less salt then you asked for. Unless you consider the ending separate from the entire game that is, which I hihgly doubt.

If you want to get down to that detail, its closer to ordering the potatoe with butter, and getting salt insteaed.

We were promised 
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They chose not to follow through on that promise. We have a legitimate grievance that we were not provided what we paid for.

[SolidisusSnake1]

dkear1 wrote...

The current ending was a lie and yes I do expect it fixed for free.

What he said, had they never marketed the game as full of choice and consequences, and had they not repeatedly in statements and interviews leading up to the release boasted about 16 DIFFERENT endings that all depended on your choices. Then yes I would say we are not entitled to anything. Sadly they did not and thus such statements should be considered false advertising as we did not get what we paid for.

So yes we are entitled to free DLC Endings.

[AllergevKev]

webrakefornobody wrote...

i don't even bother reading a customer's post in defense of a company, they can defend themselves very well - we certainly didn't deserve what we got. Mass Effect didn't deserve what it got.

You got a fantastic game with a crappy ending. If you actual read my post (well) you would see my argument against what you (and many others) are saying. 
Can someone actually say something other than this sort of thing!?

[IrishRents]

SandTrout wrote...

IrishRents wrote...

bucyrus5000 wrote...

wow, none of you read either of my posts. I think you guys missed my point. Regardless of whether or not we are willing to pay for it or are entitled to it, a new ending would be free, or else it is fraud.

People who buy the game after an Ending DLC will expect a complete game for their purchase. To find out they have to buy the ending will cause a bigger outrage than this current debacle.

It wouldn't be fraud. This is why people call the line holders melodramatic.

Actually, no, we're not.

A poor choice of words, indeed. But calling that fraud is certainly something I would classify under melodrama.

[xeNNN]

DarkSpider88 wrote...

Want and willing to pay for.

this^

[Wowlock]

Nobody wants a ''free DLC '' and a new ending FOR FREE..

We want OUR ending that we paid for. And as long as they actually fix or give us our endings... I have no problem with ''paid'' DLC ending but I won't be buying the rest after that since this has become the new business model for companies lately and I won't be a part of it.

[IrishRents]

SandTrout wrote...

IrishRents wrote...

Except we do have multiple endings, and as much as I dislike them, I'm not certain there are not 16 outcomes. When your crew debarks the Normandy, switch out the characters. More than sixteen. Picking apart their marketing isn't a viable tactic with regards to an ending change campaign.

You don't feel lied to after that? I don't know what else to say. You're using hair-splitting technicalities to prevent yourself from recieving what we all had a reasonable right to expect from the ending.

No, you see what I and few others here comprehend is that BioWare will have no motivation to make a new ending if the majority of the people asking for one, also say they will not pay for it.

[themaltaproject]

If we are getting anything at all, it isn't going to be free. You can get that delusion out of your head right now. You deserve absolutely zero things for free with the way this forum has acted, and how you plan on attacking EA tomorrow.

I wouldn't give anyone anything for free if they DEMANDED anything. Maybe at gunpoint. I love how people try to act like they know anything about laws relating to the issues and claim to be entitled to things.

I also love the claims that bioware committed false advertising.

[Benrosan]

Handren wrote...

I would pay FULL PRICE of my ME2+ ME3 Collectors editions for a new ending. I don't care if I`m a tool. I just want the variety of endings we were originally promised.

As you say, they were promised. Don't pay for them. there is no downside to empowered consumerism. Some people feel they got their money's worth and that's fine.

But a lot of us feel differently and have made convincing arguments as to why. 

[WarBaby2]

I already posted this in anthoer threat:

I mean, seriously... gaming (actually software) companies have been exploiting their vague market/business standing for 2 decades now. In no other line of business you could make such a s*** load of money with minimal affort ... besides drug dealing maybe... I'm not saying producing games is not hard work, but so is tailoring!

It was never enough... game companies made exlusive deals with GPU and CPU manufactorers for years to push on the processor evolution. There was a time in the mid 2000s, where you practically had to buy a new PC every 3 months to stay up to date, while the actual quality of the games was dwindling with each year,

When this trend finally let up, the DLC nonsense was picking up speed... the market was flooded with useless crap recycled from leftover production material and cobbled together by programmers in their lunchbreack... to make ever more money with already released, and supposedly "complete" games.

All this time, the companies got bigger and bigger and bigger... loosing the connection to their customers more and more, and if said customers finally stand up (which happens not often enough) and say: It's enough, we gave you our money for decades and put up with all this junk because it's our hobby... none of you companies would be where it is today without us... what are the answers we get? "It's our art, you have no right to ask us for anything!... but don't fret we listen to you... have another multiplayer map pack".

Newsflash: Games are no artform anymore... they are a product! The companies themself made it that way!

There are exceptions... Independent projects and dedicated artistic games, like "Journey"... but that's it.

[IrishRents]

Benrosan wrote...

Handren wrote...

I would pay FULL PRICE of my ME2+ ME3 Collectors editions for a new ending. I don't care if I`m a tool. I just want the variety of endings we were originally promised.

As you say, they were promised. Don't pay for them. there is no downside to empowered consumerism. Some people feel they got their money's worth and that's fine.

But a lot of us feel differently and have made convincing arguments as to why. 

Advertising slogans are hardly promises. If you didn't get your money's worth, request a refund. If you bought the PC version then you knew when you purchased it, it was a no-refund transaction.

[l0wn3r]

i will pay.

[SandTrout]

IrishRents wrote...

No, you see what I and few others here comprehend is that BioWare will have no motivation to make a new ending if the majority of the people asking for one, also say they will not pay for it.

What I and my ilk (the no way pay people) comprehend is that if BioWare fails to provide this for free, they will loose all future business from a fairly large number of people due to the loss of trust in them. They can sell a few $5-10 DLC now, maybe even a lot of them, but they will definitely not see the same numbers of $60 sales for any game they create from here on out. Even of those that will still buy BioWare products, how many will still pre-order or buy extras like collectors editions and artbooks? Many will simply wait until the next BioWare game is only $10-20 before the purchase it. Failing to give a proper ending for free seems likely to cost them more than giving it will.

[IrishRents]

WarBaby2 wrote...

I already posted this in anthoer threat:

I mean, seriously... gaming (actually software) companies have been exploiting their vague market/business standing for 2 decades now. In no other line of business you could make such a s*** load of money with minimal affort ... besides drug dealing maybe... I'm not saying producing games is not hard work, but so is tailoring!

It was never enough... game companies made exlusive deals with GPU and CPU manufactorers for years to push on the processor evolution. There was a time in the mid 2000s, where you practically had to buy a new PC every 3 months to stay up to date, while the actual quality of the games was dwindling with each year,

When this trend finally let up, the DLC nonsense was picking up speed... the market was flooded with useless crap recycled from leftover production material and cobbled together by programmers in their lunchbreack... to make ever more money with already released, and supposedly "complete" games.

All this time, the companies got bigger and bigger and bigger... loosing the connection to their customers more and more, and if said customers finally stand up (which happens not often enough) and say: It's enough, we gave you our money for decades and put up with all this junk because it's our hobby... none of you companies would be where it is today without us... what are the answers we get? "It's our art, you have no right to ask us for anything!... but don't fret we listen to you... have another multiplayer map pack".

Newsflash: Games are no artform anymore... they are a product! The companies themself made it that way!

There are exceptions... Independent projects and dedicated artistic games, like "Journey"... but that's it.

So if suddenly the distribution model for a business changes, you can strip it of it's value as art? So is music not art? Are fine paintings, not art? 

[AllergevKev]

The ending itself makes up probably less than 1% of the game's actual length, but given how important it is to the game I'll go as far to say that it was worth 10% of the game. If 10% of something were bad, but the other 90% was freaking amazing, is the producer of the product committing fraud by selling it to you?
I think the ending is crap. The idea of getting a new one for free on the other hand is ridiculous and completely disregards the manpower needed to make something like that.
It'd a be FANTASTIC PR move, but unless you paid for the game specifically for the ending and nothing before (you're playing for the wrong reasons) then I can't see how you are entitled to anything.
Next time a bad movie comes that takes review quotes out of context to say its great, trying demanding they change the movie to make it better.
That's an extreme example, much worse than what happened with Mass Effect 3, and yet people don't make the connections...