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IrishRents wrote...

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I would pay FULL PRICE of my ME2+ ME3 Collectors editions for a new ending. I don't care if I`m a tool. I just want the variety of endings we were originally promised.


As you say, they were promised. Don't pay for them. there is no downside to empowered consumerism. Some people feel they got their money's worth and that's fine.

But a lot of us feel differently and have made convincing arguments as to why. 


Advertising slogans are hardly promises. If you didn't get your money's worth, request a refund. If you bought the PC version then you knew when you purchased it, it was a no-refund transaction.


Look, I undestand you're scared that Bioware won't make a DLC to fix the ending if fans don't want to pay for it. But keep up that mindset and we'll be paying for game patches soon too.

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DarkSpider88 wrote...

Want and willing to pay for.


If, and I highly doubt they will, they make a new ending DLC, I can't wait for the backlash by BSN and 4chan because Bioware is a bunch of moneygrubbing bastards for making us pay for DLC,

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jb1983 wrote...
* You go to a restaurant where you order a 12oz steak well done. You pay and wait for the steak. When it comes out, it's hardly even cooked and obviously not finished. You demand a new steak and they fight you on it, and then charge you for a new steak. Are you saying that the restaurant doesn't owe you a new steak? If so, how long do you think that restaurant will stay in business?


It's more like ordering 3 steaks of the same cut in a row, and having the juiciest part of the third steak replaced with broccoli.

"It's art". Yeah, sure.

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ManOfSteeL1618 wrote...

They promised us something and did not deliver. You think they should CHRAGE us for the endings that should have been in the game?! Seriously what is wrong with you people??? I paid my $60 for the game and From Ashes and I do NOT think it is right to give us a crappy ending on purpose only to SELL US the one we should have had. Too many companies and about profit and don't care about people, that is whats' wrong with this **** country.


We were promised nothing.
They didn't give us a "crappy ending" on purpose.
It is unlikely a fix will be made, if one is, I understand that it would entail significant costs.
As a result, I am willing to pay for it.

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This is part of that, "Give someone a problem, then sell them the solution." They gave us a bad ending on purpose and that is why I will NOT pay them for the endings that should have came with the final product. I'll just youtube them to get closure...

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ManOfSteeL1618 wrote...
Too many companies and about profit and don't care about people, that is whats' wrong with this **** country.


Not only with this country... all though... would I live in the US, I'd seriously concider sewing a company that is so blatantly lieing about their product pre release... and I usually don't like this practice.

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Benrosan wrote...

IrishRents wrote...

Benrosan wrote...

Handren wrote...

I would pay FULL PRICE of my ME2+ ME3 Collectors editions for a new ending. I don't care if I`m a tool. I just want the variety of endings we were originally promised.


As you say, they were promised. Don't pay for them. there is no downside to empowered consumerism. Some people feel they got their money's worth and that's fine.

But a lot of us feel differently and have made convincing arguments as to why. 


Advertising slogans are hardly promises. If you didn't get your money's worth, request a refund. If you bought the PC version then you knew when you purchased it, it was a no-refund transaction.


Look, I undestand you're scared that Bioware won't make a DLC to fix the ending if fans don't want to pay for it. But keep up that mindset and we'll be paying for game patches soon too.


Ugh, I can already see people defending it...
"We don't DESERVE these patches, guys! The game isn't THAT buggy, it's not fair to DEMAND that they put in more work just to appease some entitled jerks that want the game to be perfect!"

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OP, good point. I mean that in earnest. But also good luck being heard over the wails of thousands of petulant children.

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ManOfSteeL1618 wrote...

They gave us a bad ending on purpose


No they didn't, there was no conspiracy. Don't pay for it, and you won't get it.

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ManOfSteeL1618 wrote...

This is part of that, "Give someone a problem, then sell them the solution." They gave us a bad ending on purpose and that is why I will NOT pay them for the endings that should have came with the final product. I'll just youtube them to get closure...


Have you not seen Casey Hudson's reponse? He said they were looking for this kind of reaction.

You can tell that the ending was poorly made on purpose...see how amazing mass effect is, then watch the endings...do you really think those creative minds could screw up this badly?!

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Unschuld wrote...

OP, good point. I mean that in earnest. But also good luck being heard over the wails of thousands of petulant children.


Me? A child? Thanks... what you wanna drink.^^

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agathokakological wrote...

hallidio wrote...

What happened to the customer is always right? :P


Precisely. BioWare promised us certain qualities about their product. The product fails to deliver on those qualities. If this was any other product, there would already be a recall, reimbursement, and an apology.

We just want the ending we were promised.




and for the low payment of 10 dollars + signing your soul away to satan Origins you can gain closure in knowing commander shepard built Tali that house on Rannoch, made lots of blue children with Liara, went somewhere tropical with Garrus, or retired away peacfully with Ashley. You can also rest easy in knowing Joker and EDI will never be able to do anything together aside from sit at a table and talk about which politician is hotter

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I already payed $80, now I'm waiting well beyond my game completion in agonizing limbo.

Free?  Yeah right. 

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 16 mars 2012 - 03:48 .


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ManOfSteeL1618 wrote...

ManOfSteeL1618 wrote...

This is part of that, "Give someone a problem, then sell them the solution." They gave us a bad ending on purpose and that is why I will NOT pay them for the endings that should have came with the final product. I'll just youtube them to get closure...


Have you not seen Casey Hudson's reponse? He said they were looking for this kind of reaction.

You can tell that the ending was poorly made on purpose...see how amazing mass effect is, then watch the endings...do you really think those creative minds could screw up this badly?!


I read about his 'response' here. I suggest you read it a few times. It was an artistic statement that has, largely, backfired.

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WarBaby2 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

OP, good point. I mean that in earnest. But also good luck being heard over the wails of thousands of petulant children.


Me? A child? Thanks... what you wanna drink.^^


I don't drink with milk-drinkers... Or people that can't differentiate age from psychological maturity.

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blooregard wrote...

agathokakological wrote...

hallidio wrote...

What happened to the customer is always right? :P


Precisely. BioWare promised us certain qualities about their product. The product fails to deliver on those qualities. If this was any other product, there would already be a recall, reimbursement, and an apology.

We just want the ending we were promised.




and for the low payment of 10 dollars + signing your soul away to satan Origins you can gain closure in knowing commander shepard built Tali that house on Rannoch, made lots of blue children with Liara, went somewhere tropical with Garrus, or retired away peacfully with Ashley. You can also rest easy in knowing Joker and EDI will never be able to do anything together aside from sit at a table and talk about which politician is hotter


No dude, closure is $10 per character. You entitled, petulant child. 

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WarBaby2 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

OP, good point. I mean that in earnest. But also good luck being heard over the wails of thousands of petulant children.


Me? A child? Thanks... what you wanna drink.^^


Oh, you drink? You must be overflowing with maturity.

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Actually, we do deserve it.

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Benrosan wrote...

blooregard wrote...

agathokakological wrote...

hallidio wrote...

What happened to the customer is always right? :P


Precisely. BioWare promised us certain qualities about their product. The product fails to deliver on those qualities. If this was any other product, there would already be a recall, reimbursement, and an apology.

We just want the ending we were promised.




and for the low payment of 10 dollars + signing your soul away to satan Origins you can gain closure in knowing commander shepard built Tali that house on Rannoch, made lots of blue children with Liara, went somewhere tropical with Garrus, or retired away peacfully with Ashley. You can also rest easy in knowing Joker and EDI will never be able to do anything together aside from sit at a table and talk about which politician is hotter


No dude, closure is $10 per character. You entitled, petulant child. 




is this just squad mates? or are we counting EVERY character

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Someone has never played The Witcher or TW2 and does not know what is like to be treated as one important part in the business, not just the ending side which can get screwed and no one listens to.

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Unschuld wrote...

I don't drink with milk-drinkers... Or people that can't differentiate age from psychological maturity.


Milk is healthy... Passt schon Grosser.^^

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blooregard wrote...

Benrosan wrote...

blooregard wrote...

agathokakological wrote...

hallidio wrote...

What happened to the customer is always right? :P


Precisely. BioWare promised us certain qualities about their product. The product fails to deliver on those qualities. If this was any other product, there would already be a recall, reimbursement, and an apology.

We just want the ending we were promised.




and for the low payment of 10 dollars + signing your soul away to satan Origins you can gain closure in knowing commander shepard built Tali that house on Rannoch, made lots of blue children with Liara, went somewhere tropical with Garrus, or retired away peacfully with Ashley. You can also rest easy in knowing Joker and EDI will never be able to do anything together aside from sit at a table and talk about which politician is hotter


No dude, closure is $10 per character. You entitled, petulant child. 




is this just squad mates? or are we counting EVERY character


I'm even counting the fish in your tank, son.

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Video games cannot be compared to a movie or a book. A movie or book is a NON-interactive medium, which the artist/writer/whatever uses to tell a story. A story which you have no part of, where you are just a spectator. If it sucked, its your opinion, others might like it.

Video games however are different. It is an interactive and new medium. Most games follow a straight linear path, where no matter what you did, the ending was the same. Decisions you made doesn't matter at all. This is true for MOST games.

Mass Effect unqiue selling point was all about decisions. Decisions that you make, will affect how the game plays out. This point was further strengthen by the face that decisions you made in the previous game affects the next.

Mass Effect 3 did follow this USP, until the end. The end did not show how decisions I had made over 3 games mattered. It doesn't matter if I saved the council, it doesn't matter if I had my whole crew killed at the collector's base, it doesn't matter if I rally half the number of species in the galaxy. I will still get the same ending. What happened to your USP? Even games like Chrono Trigger had MULTIPLE ENDINGS. Red, green and blue doesn't count as multiple endings.

Bioware had been hyping up about how your decisions matters in this final chapter, how what you did could condemn a race. Their track record was spotless for 2 games and when I started ME3, it was how I felt... until the ending,

When your USP was totally disregarded at the end, people will feel they have been cheated. If I would use an analogy, it would be like, a salesman, selling me a house, telling me I can change everything inside to get the home that I want. After paying for it and customising everything, the government suddenly enforced a law that all my customisation had to go and I had to revert to what they had planned all along.

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DragonRageGT wrote...
Someone has never played The Witcher or TW2 and does not know what is like to be treated as one important part in the business, not just the ending side which can get screwed and no one listens to.


Well, regrettably, thee are not many companies left that are like CD Project RED... and who knows how long they will last.

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Addendum: Bioware doesn't DESERVE our money anymore either. So, if they want to charge me for something I should have had in the first place, and tell me that I'm being "entitled", they can politely go and self-copulate.


"our" who are you exactly to speak for everyone else? You don't speak for me that's for sure and I doubt anyone else elected you to speak for them lol. Trying to add power to your poor statement funny. I'm pretty sure Microsoft doesn't deserve this, Kim Kardashin doesn't deserve that.. but we should care why? Do whatever you want.. your rally cries are silly


He speaks for me. And I'm pretty sure a lot of people will be finished with Bioware if they charge us for the endings that should have come with the game. If they do that, then the rest of the gaming industry will surely follow selling us endings...