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[Sublyminal]

Dridengx wrote...

clonedoriginzero wrote...

so basically you're willing to pay for a subpar ending. great. good to know. im sure you're just the kind of unconcerned consumer they love.

he already paid as did all of you I imagine. You got what you got. crying about what you were given is stupid. Do you cry when life isn't fair as well? only the strong survive.. apparently the lot of you are making threads how you can't sleep, eat, work, study for homework and quiting gaming all together lol

Fail troll is failing.

[catgirl789]

Yeah the OP has it totally right. It's Bioware's game and they don't OWE us anything. Would I like a free DLC tweaking the ending? Yes of course, most would, but I understand that to do anything like this would cost money for at least writers, let alone animators and VAs and who knows what else that goes into the video game process that I don't know about. So I am definitely willing to pay for an ending DLC if Bioware decides that they want to release one. If they don't then I will simply head canon it away so that I can still enjoy the rest of one of the most amazing games, and series, that I have ever played.

[WarBaby2]

ManOfSteeL1618 wrote...
He speaks for me. And I'm pretty sure a lot of people will be finished with Bioware if they charge us for the endings that should have come with the game. If they do that, then the rest of the gaming industry will surely follow selling us endings...

Actually, I've been waiting for something like that since the first DLCs where sold... it will be the day when I stop playing games... or buying them, atleast.^^

[Benrosan]

ManOfSteeL1618 wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

detroitmechworks wrote...

Addendum: Bioware doesn't DESERVE our money anymore either. So, if they want to charge me for something I should have had in the first place, and tell me that I'm being "entitled", they can politely go and self-copulate.

"our" who are you exactly to speak for everyone else? You don't speak for me that's for sure and I doubt anyone else elected you to speak for them lol. Trying to add power to your poor statement funny. I'm pretty sure Microsoft doesn't deserve this, Kim Kardashin doesn't deserve that.. but we should care why? Do whatever you want.. your rally cries are silly

He speaks for me. And I'm pretty sure a lot of people will be finished with Bioware if they charge us for the endings that should have come with the game. If they do that, then the rest of the gaming industry will surely follow selling us endings...

Speaks for me too. 

[ManOfSteeL1618]

IrishRents wrote...

ManOfSteeL1618 wrote...

ManOfSteeL1618 wrote...

This is part of that, "Give someone a problem, then sell them the solution." They gave us a bad ending on purpose and that is why I will NOT pay them for the endings that should have came with the final product. I'll just youtube them to get closure...

Have you not seen Casey Hudson's reponse? He said they were looking for this kind of reaction.

You can tell that the ending was poorly made on purpose...see how amazing mass effect is, then watch the endings...do you really think those creative minds could screw up this badly?!

I read about his 'response' here. I suggest you read it a few times. It was an artistic statement that has, largely, backfired.

Maybe, maybe not...

[WarBaby2]

Xenolithium wrote...

Oh, you drink? You must be overflowing with maturity.

Oh, sorry... didn't see your witty remark.

Yea... I'm great... but, FYI: If someone calls you young (or in that case a child) in my country, it is concidered flattery... if your above a certain age, that is... so I asked what he waned to drink... it's a local thing.^^

[RyuGuitarFreak]

WarBaby2 wrote...

DragonRageGT wrote...
Someone has never played The Witcher or TW2 and does not know what is like to be treated as one important part in the business, not just the ending side which can get screwed and no one listens to.

Well, regrettably, thee are not many companies left that are like CD Project RED... and who knows how long they will last.

Yeah, they're going to consoles and big market, and...stuff. Danger zone reached.

Talking about the matter in subject: hell, not even talking about the trilogy and Shepard, the GAME deserved a better ending, even buggy and glitchy as it is. 99,5% of it was amaaaaazing.

[blooregard]

Benrosan wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Benrosan wrote...

blooregard wrote...

agathokakological wrote...

hallidio wrote...

What happened to the customer is always right?

Precisely. BioWare promised us certain qualities about their product. The product fails to deliver on those qualities. If this was any other product, there would already be a recall, reimbursement, and an apology.

We just want the ending we were promised.

and for the low payment of 10 dollars + signing your soul away to satan Origins you can gain closure in knowing commander shepard built Tali that house on Rannoch, made lots of blue children with Liara, went somewhere tropical with Garrus, or retired away peacfully with Ashley. You can also rest easy in knowing Joker and EDI will never be able to do anything together aside from sit at a table and talk about which politician is hotter

No dude, closure is $10 per character. You entitled, petulant child. 

is this just squad mates? or are we counting EVERY character

I'm even counting the fish in your tank, son.

the hanar discover you have jellyfish in your tank on the normandy and launch a breakout attempt to liberate their fellow hanar and "how the paddlefish won the galaxy"

[Spellbound83]

I'll watch a better ending on YouTube. BioWare will never, ever, get any of my money for something that should have been in the game to start with.

[Ahro]

It would be good PR if they gave it away for free, but, creating additional cinematics, bringing back the voice actors, planning out the endings, costs money, and a lot of it. I, personally, do not mind paying more for answers to the amount of questions we all share.

Of course, if this was all a stunt to begin with, than I'd assume all of the work has been done already and a free DLC should be released.

Only if they have to actually go back to the drawing board and work up this alternate ending would I be alright with handing over more money. But with the way things ended, and the vast amount of questions, I still can't believe they don't have something hidden up their sleeves.

I will be shocked if they finally come around to deny there ever was, or ever will be, additional endings. It'd be really sad as I'd like to talk to the writers and find out if what we saw was the only thing they envisioned for the ending. As an aspiring writer/artist I want to clean it up and write ridiculous amounts of fanfiction to appease my needs. lol I'm only a hobbiest when it comes to writing, and it seems us as fans are able to imagine better endings where others have agreed already would be amazing.

How could these writers, who have spun such an amazing story with such amazing characters just come up with what we saw? The only answer I could give that is EA pushed them in a particular direction in which they had no other alternative. Or, EA told them to save the final ending for some other medium they wish to publish it in, or wanted to be unique and raise the bar on how to break the fourth wall (and ****** off a lot of people till word is released lol). *Seriously, if this was a stunt to indoctrinate the player as well I will be so happy! Bravo, really! I'm all for trying new things.*

I've gotten a bit off track here, but all I'm saying is, if it's already in the bag than release it to the fans for free. If it requires more time to work on it, and it wasn't previously planned already, than I'm open-minded to paying for a satisfying conclusion to one of the best stories I've ever been lucky enough to experience.

[ShdwFox7]

IntuitionJo wrote...

We are entitled to what we bought, and unfortunately, we were subjected to a campaign of false advertising. Ultimately, the many diverse endings we were, and I cannot stress this enough, promised, are simply not there. We did not get what was advertised, and as such, we are entitled to the product that we thought we were buying.

Semantics. We are not entitled to a NEW ending for free. We are entitled to THE ending for free.

    Exactly! How many times in a restaurant have you or somebody else ordered a steak in a certain way (i.e. well done), and received it in a way they did not order (i.e. rare)? How many times has that restaurant told the consumer "too bad, your going to eat your steak and like it" - never. The only difference between this scenario and our current situation with the endings of ME3 is the magnitude. We as the consumer bought ME3 expecting a thoroughly thought out, well written ending (consistent with the rest of the games) that brought closure to the trilogy. We did not, the ending (from a writer's perspective) was terrible on both accounts. So ultimately, yes, we are certainly entitled to a ending for free because the product we received was not the product we were told it was going to be (closure) or the product we expected it was going to be (consistency in story with the rest of the games).

    Now despite all I've said on that matter, this is where the word "magnitude" I used in the first paragraph comes into play. We are still entitled to a proper ending for free, I still firmly believe this. But in retrospect a whole video game can sometimes take years and even millions of dollars to make! I don't think most people can even fathom that kind of money. With that said, I would (stupidly) buy a proper ending if Bioware choose to make one. And this is not only because I understand the amount of work and cost it goes into making DLC content (of considerable length), but also because of my love for the Mass Effect series and my love for company that makes them. I wouldn't have cared if this had happened to any other game/company except Bioware.

clonedoriginzero wrote...

so basically you're willing to pay for a subpar ending. great. good to know. im sure you're just the kind of unconcerned consumer they love.

    Agreed. If you let businesses walk over you like this they will just keep doing it. If your given an unsatisfactory product then it is your right as a consumer to either demand a satisfactory one or a bring media attention to it. I recall a story a few years back of a mother who bought a Nintendo DS for her child one Christmas. When he opened it up, all that was inside it was a box of rocks. She of course took it back to where she bought it, Wal-Mart, and they basically told her "to bad so sad lady" (they had the audacity to think she was lying). Do you know what she did next? She contacted the media, said essentially in a statement "I'm not paying one-hundred dollars for a box of rocks", and you know what? They eventually caved in to public pressure and they gave her a brand new DS. In this story she did, as a consumer, everything she was supposed to do! As consumers not only do we have the power but also the responsibility change business practices we find that are unjust.

Modifié par ShdwFox7, 16 mars 2012 - 04:36 .

[Brass_Buckles]

Actually, I disagree.

We do deserve to get the ending that we paid for for free, because we already paid for it. We paid for the ending of the trilogy, and what we got was everything we were told it wasn't going to be. We got no closure. We got a Lost-like ending. We got an A, B, or C type ending. We were told that we WOULD have closure, it would NOT be like Lost, and we would NOT get an A, B, or C choice.

As customers, we deserve to get what we paid for. If I pay for a brand new car, I'm not going to be happy if it's missing the headlights or has ten thousand miles on it already. If I paid for an ending with actual closure, I am not going to be happy with one that leaves everything hanging and potentially means that the Mass Effect universe as I know and love it has been destroyed.

[Lugaidster]

I'm going to agree on the wording here. But not on the message behind. Deserve is a really bad word. But customers have the right to demand a better product. If you paid for a product at retail that wasn't of your liking you can usually return it. I have no way of returning an Origin game, all I have left is to complain.

[AllergevKev]

jb1983 wrote...

AllergevKev wrote...

jb1983 wrote...

 Apply this logic to anything else in the consumer world:

* You go to a restaurant where you order a 12oz steak well done. You pay and wait for the steak. When it comes out, it's hardly even cooked and obviously not finished. You demand a new steak and they fight you on it, and then charge you for a new steak. Are you saying that the restaurant doesn't owe you a new steak? If so, how long do you think that restaurant will stay in business?

* You go shopping for a car. You purchase the car under the auspices that it's complete. After purchasing the car, you discover that the key is missing. You ask for the key and they inform you that it'll cost extra money to get the key. Don't they owe you the key? How long will they stay in business?

* You go shopping for music. You buy a cd and find out later that it's missing the last three songs, even though the artist said they'd be on there. You're then informed that you have to pay for the last three songs. How does that work out?

In every single scenario I can come up with, the company could be sued for bait and switch, false advertising, or at the very least be reported to the BBB. Yet, because this is a game from a company people like, everyone wants to say, "AH, c'mon guys, just let 'em be! They're artists!"

First off, no, they're not artists. We can paint it however we want, but the fact is they're a business that happens to employee artists. Thus, first and foremost their responsibility is to sell a product and make money off that product. When your customer base (remember, only 2% in the current poll like the endings, meaning 98% have some sort of problem with them) hates your product, it's just stupid business strategy to ignore it or blow it off. 

Secondly, we actually are entitled to a proper ending because that's what we were promised. We were told we'd have multiple endings; we got space magic and lasers. We paid money for it, meaning we now have a say in the quality of the product. Thus, it's not an entitled attitude to think we're owed something; it's basic sense. We paid for it, so yes, we're owed it. That's how the world works - if you give money to someone for a product, they owe you that product because you worked for it. It's not "entitled" to say, "Wait a second, I paid for x and got y...I want x." That's wanting to follow how societies function. 

Third, to call people who have legitimate complaints about the ending "whiners" or to paint them in a negative light as people who are entitled makes absolutely no sense. Again, if someone requests their steak a certain way and it's not done that way, are they "entitled" if they ask for it to be done properly? If someone raises a legitimate complaint about a product, especially if the product has been paid for, how is that "entitled"? 

Finally, welcome to the world of commerce. This is how business works. If customers don't like the product, entitled or not, a company is under an obligation to fix the product (if they desire to stay in business). If you don't like people complaining about a product and want them to respect the artistic endevours of the writers, then have the writers make independent games and forgo the whole business aspect. Give away the games for free.

See how that goes. There's a reason starving artists are starving...

Dear lord. It's not the product, it's the ending. Read my OP, it addresses pretty much everything you pointed out. 

Next time you see a crappy movie, demand the movie company to change it for free. See how that goes.
Now realize that in this game's case, it's not that the entire game is bad, just the last 5 minutes.

Dear lord, you lack reasoning skills. 

If one part of a product is broken, specifically a key component, then the product is defunct. If I buy a car that lacks a gas tank, then there's a problem with the product as a whole. 

I did read your OP. It sucked. That's why I replied. 

A key component of a game would be the quality of the disc. All of the examples you gave are comparable to getting a game disc with a giant scrath down it. That make the game unplayable, akin to getting served uncooked steak or buying an undrivable car.

As far as the CD argument goes, that's a somewhat decent comparison. However, seeing how there is an ending in Mass Effect 3, a much better comparison is if you bought a CD and the last track sucked big time. In that case, I highly doubt you're going to complain about it.

What you're trying to do basically is complete customer entitlemeng to whatever they want and basically means we can demand anything. So...

I didn't like the ending of the Harry Potter. Not enough closure. They should change it, free of charge, just for me, even though there are actually people who liked.
I also didn't like the last song on Arcade Fire's most recent album. They should re-record it just for me.
A recent release movie, The Iron Lady, looked really good but actually was lackluster. The makers of the movie should reshoot the movie for me, then if people don't like that version, reshoot it for those people too, and complete the process until everyone is satisfied. 

That's what you're asking for.

(Note: The first two examples aren't true, just so you know...)

[IsleySilverlord]

Benrosan wrote...

ManOfSteeL1618 wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

detroitmechworks wrote...

Addendum: Bioware doesn't DESERVE our money anymore either. So, if they want to charge me for something I should have had in the first place, and tell me that I'm being "entitled", they can politely go and self-copulate.

"our" who are you exactly to speak for everyone else? You don't speak for me that's for sure and I doubt anyone else elected you to speak for them lol. Trying to add power to your poor statement funny. I'm pretty sure Microsoft doesn't deserve this, Kim Kardashin doesn't deserve that.. but we should care why? Do whatever you want.. your rally cries are silly

He speaks for me. And I'm pretty sure a lot of people will be finished with Bioware if they charge us for the endings that should have come with the game. If they do that, then the rest of the gaming industry will surely follow selling us endings...

Speaks for me too. 

He speaks for me too.

It seems he's speaking for many people.

[IsleySilverlord]

I want that DlC.
I'd pay for it.
If I must pay, that would be the last time $ioWar€ gets my money.

[KcK__]

AllergevKev wrote...

Crappy games get released all the time. People buy them. The publishers make a lot of money. This happens A LOT. Nobody petitions the developers of said games to completely remake the game because it's not worth $50-$60. Now here's Mass Effect 3, a FANTASTIC game that messes up in only one area (albeit in a major way) and somehow we deserve a new ending FOR FREE?

Because you all know that if they charge for some sort of alternate ending it's gonna be paraded as "Publisher Greed" and the whole sha-bang. Everyone's gonna get in a fuss about it, in the mindset that they got some sort of incomplete game and they they deserve it.

Deserve it? We don't DESERVE anything. We payed $60-$90 (with Javik DLC) and got our money's worth out of those purchases. Those experiences were almost uniformly awesome. People saying that 5 minutes at the end of the game somehow invalidates the remainder of the great time they had with the game is ridiculous. And even if it did, the developer still wouldn't owe you anything. In that case, it would just be you making a bad purchase, you can't vilify a company for making money.

The entire  WE ARE ENTITLED TO A NEW ENDING FOR FREE argument comes from the fact that the rest of the game(s) is/are amazing and we want a proper conclusion for such an epic series. That's understandable. But considering the amazing games Bioware has made throughout the years, including the great series at hand, shouldn't this be the type of developer we be rewarding, not one we decry for their small mistakes? I personally have no gripes giving Bioware the chance to redeem the ending...and will gladly fork over another $10 for it in thanks for the great experiences they have given me throughout the years (Maybe not gladly, cash is tight these days, but you understand what I mean!)

I agree 110%

[AllergevKev]

asdoorip wrote...

I want that DlC.
I'd pay for it.
If I must pay, that would be the last time $ioWar€ gets my money.

The way you used the money signs really shows your maturity. The only time I've questioned Bioware's business practices was with the whole Javik debacle, but I'm willing to give them a free pass in that instance because the game was awesome without it.