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[shepard1038]

Reptillius wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Reptillius wrote...

Honestly. i like Synthesis best and the most Paragon of the answers.

My reasoning is fairly simple actually. It put's everybody in the galaxy on even footing. Which is the argument of starchild for the Cycle in the first place. Reapers are not entirely organic or synthetic. they lie somewhere in between. But they are still heavily controlled. Indoctrinated in their own way if you will. Throughout the whole course of the three games you do a heck of a lot of work bringing people together and putting them on even footing and getting them to see eye to eye when they otherwise would not. Synthesis gives you the undeniable option to do this for the whole galaxy... Messed up? Perhaps... Consent issues. A Philosophical debate in a half that could cause very heated arguments on both side.

Destroy...Destroy doesn't seem to really solve anything. it does actually state that it would kill edi. It could be argued that the Normandy Crashing when other ships don't necessarily seem to be a fact that it does in fact kill her. It would destroy the Geth if you saved them. Wouldn't matter really if you didn't because you already wiped out the biggest synthetic species anyway. At least one that we know of. It's hard to call it Paragon in the end and even with Deep Breath... Deep Breath that many take as Shepard being alive could just as easily be litterally Shepards final Breaths. Shepard isn't going to live much longer than that either way. He/She is at in a state of approaching death and not outliving the war anyway before picking this ending. Is it perhaps the best or most final ending in some peoples minds because we litterally see Shepard Die in effect? I personally don't care for it. Both from a living and a dieing perspective. Neither have pleasant implications to speak of.

As for Control. Definitely the most Renegade of the Endings in my mind. The implications are bothersome on many levels. Specially with the conversation with TIM before that. Even with picking the Renegade options. Shepard in a way after that point IS the Reapers. It's up to his/her whim and his/her own desires that the Reapers come back for something small or something major. In a single quick ending you go from being the Ultimate Savior and Benefactor of the Galaxy to potentially it's ultimate boogeyman/villian in record time. The whispers that come out of that just from a few paranoid peoples or radical conspiracies whether true or false would probably fill the nightmares of the next cycle at the very least and with what they showed on Thessia this seems like all to real of a possibility to me even under the best of circumstances.

I don't like the synthesis choice you're changing the Galaxy so that the reapers and all synthetics can live. You're
taking all free will away from them, you forced them to change so that the reapers can't kill them and harvest them.
And the Geth and Edi can be rebuild later in the destroy ending.

Even if you rebuild them. It's stated many times. specially in the second and third games that The Geth and Edi... No matter how you remade them and how closely you redid it would not really be the Geth and Edi... they would be new life forms that would walk different paths and have different experiences and different reasonings.  The Geth and Edi as we know them are gone forever.

What do you prefer changing all life on the galaxy so that the reapers and synthetics can live or destroying all
synthetics so that the galaxy can decide the path they want?

[Mara Shep]

I accidentally did Control the first time around (I thought they would be clearly labelled, and I didn't catch onto what they looked like first time around), and was like "HELL NO."

Tried the Synthesis option, which was ok, but that is not what my Shepard, even Paragon, would have wanted. So Destroy was the best option, the one that was most final. Also in the conversation with StarChild, when that option comes up, she goes "maybe," when it says humans will make more synthetics.
Which means nothing is CERTAIN. They might not. So I thought, "Shepard would take that risk, " also, that EDI and the Geth would understand her choice. Destroy it was.

[Reptillius]

shepard1038 wrote...

What do you prefer changing all life on the galaxy so that the reapers and synthetics can live or destroying all
synthetics so that the galaxy can decide the path they want?

With the Reapers Purpose Negated by the fundamental change to life.  There is nothing from the Galaxy choosing the path that it wants anyway.  It did not entirely take away individualism as I recall. though maybe I should go watch it again to remind myself.

Are you also so sure that the Galaxy will decide for itself simply because you remove the Reapers as well?  Krogan for example have a much more viscious survival habit for example than say the Salarians.  By Destroying the Reapers and the Mass Relays... But certainly not all tech from the better endings are you sure your ensuring a solution that is better and not perhaps far worse?  perhaps in the form of group infighting and much deeper issues between the races over now quite limited resources?

combined with the after credits piece are we perhaps given as much warning as hope for exploration in the words of wisdom given in it?

[Landline]

Reptillius wrote...

Landline wrote...

Reptillius wrote...

I could argue instead that you could look at Synthesis in the perspective of segregation and the civil rights movement.

Sure, if the civil rights movement was a bioengineering movement to make everyone white.

actually the civil rights movement is a social engineering movement that at it's core is meant to make everybody colourblind and lacking gender biases so to speak on a social interaction level.  it is still quite the ongoing process in reality.

You completely missed my point man.

The point was that the synthesis option was essentially to make everyone the same reguardless of whether they wanted it or not.

Sythisis is not a social engineering movement, it's a biological one.

[Reptillius]

Landline wrote...

Reptillius wrote...

Landline wrote...

Reptillius wrote...

I could argue instead that you could look at Synthesis in the perspective of segregation and the civil rights movement.

Sure, if the civil rights movement was a bioengineering movement to make everyone white.

actually the civil rights movement is a social engineering movement that at it's core is meant to make everybody colourblind and lacking gender biases so to speak on a social interaction level.  it is still quite the ongoing process in reality.

You completely missed my point man.

The point was that the synthesis option was essentially to make everyone the same reguardless of whether they wanted it or not.

Sythisis is not a social engineering movement, it's a biological one.

Actually. In some respects... It's both.  All three games in some respects are a social schism in part by the position of a group that percieves themselves as superior to all life. Synthetic and Organic... For being both.  It's the entire basis and standing for what they consider as something far to advanced for percieved "lessers" to understand.  That being of a given current biological condition.  When you erase that difference their argument also loses it's weight and their reason to fight.  it takes away all of their percieved advantages for simply being exactly what they are.

Modifié par Reptillius, 16 mars 2012 - 05:03 .

[shepard1038]

Reptillius wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

What do you prefer changing all life on the galaxy so that the reapers and synthetics can live or destroying all
synthetics so that the galaxy can decide the path they want?

With the Reapers Purpose Negated by the fundamental change to life.  There is nothing from the Galaxy choosing the path that it wants anyway.  It did not entirely take away individualism as I recall. though maybe I should go watch it again to remind myself.

Are you also so sure that the Galaxy will decide for itself simply because you remove the Reapers as well?  Krogan for example have a much more viscious survival habit for example than say the Salarians.  By Destroying the Reapers and the Mass Relays... But certainly not all tech from the better endings are you sure your ensuring a solution that is better and not perhaps far worse?  perhaps in the form of group infighting and much deeper issues between the races over now quite limited resources?

combined with the after credits piece are we perhaps given as much warning as hope for exploration in the words of wisdom given in it?

At least we will chose our own path and won't be force to change so that the reapers and synthetics can live.

[Landline]

Reptillius wrote...

Actually. In some respects... It's both.  All three games in some respects are a social schism in part by the position of a group that percieves themselves as superior to all life. Synthetic and Organic... For being both.  It's the entire basis and standing for what they consider as something far to advanced for percieved "lessers" to understand.  That being of a given current biological condition.  When you erase that difference their argument also loses it's weight and their reason to fight.  it takes away all of their percieved advantages for simply being exactly what they are.

It doesn't change my point that it's like getting rid of racisim by making everyone white, or black, or dogs for that matter. It doesn't matter what you're making them, but you're making them all the same without any impute from them.

[Ghost1041]

I go with destroy. I assume the catalyst is Harbinger and better safe than sorry.

[Senario]

Red is the best ending. It has 2x more explosions than the other endings. 1) For the pod blowing up in front of Shepard. and 2) Blowing up everybody else in the galaxy.

[Reptillius]

Landline wrote...

Reptillius wrote...

Actually. In some respects... It's both.  All three games in some respects are a social schism in part by the position of a group that percieves themselves as superior to all life. Synthetic and Organic... For being both.  It's the entire basis and standing for what they consider as something far to advanced for percieved "lessers" to understand.  That being of a given current biological condition.  When you erase that difference their argument also loses it's weight and their reason to fight.  it takes away all of their percieved advantages for simply being exactly what they are.

It doesn't change my point that it's like getting rid of racisim by making everyone white, or black, or dogs for that matter. It doesn't matter what you're making them, but you're making them all the same without any impute from them.

your argument has some flaws that I'm sure several rights activists would love to argue. I'm not going to be baited into that. Needless to say there are gonna be those on either side that are going to resist equality in whatever form it takes.  Most particularly amongst those that percieve themselves superior... It's not actually a matter of turning everybody white or black but actually turning everybody Grey.  They are still shades of grey but they are still grey.

You want to argue lack of input but at the same time your argueing your basis for lack of input on the idea that nobody or even the majority wouldn't want it if it would mean it would end the war.  But at the same time there are many decisions that end up being made for the betterment that can't necessarily be made after waiting to get everybodies concensus on the matter.  Specially when the consensus to some extent has everybody at each others throats over social perceptions.  Some walls you can break down through co-operation and changing peoples minds. Some walls you break down with the social equivelant of the atomic bomb.  There is actually benefit that can be reaped amongst the warring organic races as well in that such a move as Synthesis could actually be beneficial to their future well being and continued existance in the fact that your not only getting rid of the Reapers need to fight but your also taking every species whether synthetic, organic, or reaper and taking them out of everything they know into an entirely different world that they don't know and one thing they do all ahve in common at least for the forseeable future is that they are all synthetic/organic hybrids in a situation where they may have to rely on each other even more to recover and understand themselves better.

you could in effect consider Synthesis the universal equivelant of taking people of many different colours, sticking them into a room, and turning out the lights on all of them so they can't see those percieved differences.

Edit: Also consider that the Mass Effect Series is also taking place in a time where being partly synthetic at least for humans is becoming more and more common in the form of everything from genetic manipulations and civilian implants to things like combat modifications to soldiers in various ways.  Even the Biotic chips are a form of altering an organic form in Synthetic fashions.

Modifié par Reptillius, 16 mars 2012 - 05:27 .

[Landline]

Reptillius wrote...

Landline wrote...

Reptillius wrote...

Actually. In some respects... It's both.  All three games in some respects are a social schism in part by the position of a group that percieves themselves as superior to all life. Synthetic and Organic... For being both.  It's the entire basis and standing for what they consider as something far to advanced for percieved "lessers" to understand.  That being of a given current biological condition.  When you erase that difference their argument also loses it's weight and their reason to fight.  it takes away all of their percieved advantages for simply being exactly what they are.

It doesn't change my point that it's like getting rid of racisim by making everyone white, or black, or dogs for that matter. It doesn't matter what you're making them, but you're making them all the same without any impute from them.

your argument has some flaws that I'm sure several rights activists would love to argue. I'm not going to be baited into that. Needless to say there are gonna be those on either side that are going to resist equality in whatever form it takes.  Most particularly amongst those that percieve themselves superior... It's not actually a matter of turning everybody white or black but actually turning everybody Grey.  They are still shades of grey but they are still grey.

You know what it's like?

Here in Canada the government hatched a little plan to deal with the natives here. Their plan was to take the native children and place them in boarding schools run by the church. The idea was to take them and raise them like good little christians so they'd be able to integrate speamlessly into mainstream society. It failed, likely largly due to the church going straight to extremes to... indoctronate the children. But their objective was to make everyone the same reguardless of their opinion.

Today the social climate promotes seeing people as the same reguardless of their race or creed, to judge people based on their individual merrits. Treating people as equals and striving to make them all the same are two completely different things and if you don't see the difference between these then you are a bosh'tet.

[pharsti]

Synthesis - Paragon
Control - Hypocrite
Destroy - Renegade

[shepard1038]

pharsti wrote...

Synthesis - Paragon
Control - Hypocrite
Destroy - Renegade

Its more like;

Destroy=paragon
Synthesis=neutral
Control=Renegade

Modifié par shepard1038, 16 mars 2012 - 05:44 .

[TheLostGenius]

Perfection is not something that should be used to describe th eending of ANY game. The ending is perfect for what it is, and in a sense the CONTROL ending is probably the most responsible one, as the destroy option leave the galaxy vulnerable to advances in AIs that make the Reaper's look like dinosaurs.

[Dark Penitant]

Synthesis is just so outright repulsive that I cannot believe anyone thinks it is good. Does Bodily Sovereignty mean nothing to people?

[goose2989]

 They honestly all bring sadness and despair to your heart

[Peer of the Empire]

Reptillius wrote...
With the Reapers Purpose Negated by the fundamental change to life.  There is nothing from the Galaxy choosing the path that it wants anyway.  It did not entirely take away individualism as I recall. though maybe I should go watch it again to remind myself.

Who knows how horrible a machine altered mind would be.

Are you also so sure that the Galaxy will decide for itself simply because you remove the Reapers as well?  Krogan for example have a much more viscious survival habit for example than say the Salarians.  By Destroying the Reapers and the Mass Relays... But certainly not all tech from the better endings are you sure your ensuring a solution that is better and not perhaps far worse?  perhaps in the form of group infighting and much deeper issues between the races over now quite limited resources?

But we have a future

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Renegade/Destroy/Red ending is the best.

[JPR1964]

Senario wrote...

Red is the best ending. It has 2x more explosions than the other endings. 1) For the pod blowing up in front of Shepard. and 2) Blowing up everybody else in the galaxy.

Pure Art!!!!!



No best ending... You're screwed in all endings...



Space Magig JPR out!

[Statulos]

Best end? To hell with everything! I´m gonna meet Jacob in Rio, get all my crew members arround and drink till the last drop of cachaça I can find in whole Brazil!

I´ll combine all three endings in one: destruction of all alcohol reserves of Brazil, control of every element to make caipirinha (both levo and dextro versions, Garrus and Tali are not missing it) and make a synthesis of sugar, lemon and above mentioned cachaça!

And damn, we´re putting pics of Samara, Grunt, EDI (we´ll figure out how to get her intoxicated, plenty of engineers arround to get it done) and Sheppard at their worst on the intranet so my geth pals can distribute them everywhere.

[shepard1038]

The destroy ending is not the renegade one. When the Guardian says the choices, in the control you see the Ilusive Man, in the destroy choice you see Anderson and in the Synthesis choice you don't see anyone so that means that control= renegade, Synthesis=neutral and Destroy=paragon.

[Lethys1]

hallidio wrote...

I chose synthesis. I believe the [in quotes] 'perfect' ending is destroy. As there is the breath scene. Not that any are good

Chose synthesis purely for the fact that IF another cycle occured, it would be different from the rest of previous cycles. Could have interesting ramifications

So Mass Effect 1, the entire game you fight a villain who is trying to do the exact same thing you're trying to do.  I enjoyed the option was there because it reinforces indoctrination theory almost as much as the presence of the kid does, but it definitely isn't the best ending.  It's only 2nd best and not by a lot.

[Silent Rage]

Evil_medved wrote...

Death by Marauder Shields.

[pharsti]

shepard1038 wrote...

pharsti wrote...

Synthesis - Paragon
Control - Hypocrite
Destroy - Renegade

Its more like;

Destroy=paragon
Synthesis=neutral
Control=Renegade

Hey, its my opinion, i dont care that you SEE Shepard alive on the destroy ending, its still a renegade choice seeing as how youre indeed sacrificing at least one "species" to get there, ruthless, ends justify the means have always been seen as renegade as far as i know.

Control is.... well, what i said, you just go ahead and do what youve been telling the big bad its impossible and stupid. Bonkers i say, wonder if anyone chose that.

Synthesis, i see this as the paragon choice, definitely, i dont even understand how anyone can see it any othe way. And yes, ive read all of that crap about it being the "Saren" choice or whatever.... the Saren choice would be that everyone was Reaper goo, while synthesis tries to unite everyone (on a freaking molecular level!) and stops the cycle.

And you know whats funny, in every ending, i still dont think Shepard dies, hell, a bunch of humans on a lab managed to bring a dead person to life, EXACTLY like that person was before, the hell am i supposed to think space magic can do >_>




Or you could also say

Destroy - strawberry
Synthesis - mint
Control - hypocrite >_>

[Wowlock]

At this point... since everything will get screwed up anyways... I say Destroy and take Reaper bastards with me and hopefully drown the God-child in his illogical non-sense.